Pats vs Dolphins, a MUST WIN?

[pherein]

Colts offense is better than the Saints....

The Falcons had that game won if not for Elam screwing them over and a stupid red zone pick by Ryan...They actually did a good job against the Saints D, and their defense sucks.

PEyton played a good game agaisnt SF...just cause he didnt get a td pass doesnt mean he didnt play well.....

The Saints offense is NOT consistent...What happened against Buffalo and the Jets? Plus, Brees turns the ball over basically once at least per game...

And on this note, one thing bothering me with ESPN, is they keep saying they are on pace to beat the Patriots 2007 record for points scored on offense. The thing they are forgetting to count against NO, is that they have like 6 defensive TDs that account for a good bit of points that people are counting toward their offense for some reason.


Also, will you explain to me how PEyton is running hot and cold?

2 fumbles that where not , and greer was pushed before the long TD pass , even falcon fans agree to this, that was offensive interference , check the footage, thomas pulled the ball in and was down, and bell landed a knee. but we won anyway. Good teams have to.

If you look at the buffalo game Saints ran a run, run, pass offense on purpose, Brees can not play in weather so payton choose the run game.
27-7 is much better than 18-14 by the colts.

Brees has turned the ball over in 2 games, and its something that needs to be fixed.

I think a consistent offense is ranked
2006 1st
2007 4th
2008 1st
2009 2nd

this is the Saints ,much more depth and consistency, no matter what we will probably show where are the colts offense?


2006 3rd
2007 5th
2008 15th
2009 7th

Payton manning show, and the Saints defense was 26-28 from 2007-2008, chances are if you fight the saints your playing a 1-4th offence, the colts could be 3rd or 15th that day depends on payton. 15th showed up against the 49ers and might against the Pats. Pats will face a consistent high scoring Saints offense.

I think my point is made.

 

[RyanP421]

2 fumbles that where not , and greer was pushed before the long TD pass , even falcon fans agree to this, that was offensive interference , check the footage, thomas pulled the ball in and was down, and bell landed a knee. but we won anyway. Good teams have to.

If you look at the buffalo game Saints ran a run, run, pass offense on purpose, Brees can not play in weather so payton choose the run game.
27-7 is much better than 18-14 by the colts.

Brees has turned the ball over in 2 games, and its something that needs to be fixed.

I think a consistent offense is ranked
2006 1st
2007 4th
2008 1st
2009 2nd

this is the Saints ,much more depth and consistency, no matter what we will probably show where are the colts offense?

2006 3rd
2007 5th
2008 15th
2009 7th

Payton manning show, and the Saints defense was 26-28 from 2007-2008, chances are if you fight the saints your playing a 1-4th offence, the colts could be 3rd or 15th that day depends on payton. 15th showed up against the 49ers and might against the Pats. Pats will face a consistent high scoring Saints offense.

Where do you get your stats?

Brees has turned the ball over in 2 games? Try 5.

And I don't care about end of the season offensive rankings. I am talking week to week. One week the Saints score a ton of points on offense, the next they don't. So when you combine the 2 weeks of points and come out with an average, it's a lot of points. I would rather have an offense score 25 2 weeks in a row (Consistent), than 35 one week, and 15 the next (inconsistent).....

The ONLY thing consistent about the Saints offense is thier points output on a year to year basis, and their ranking in the league. Again, just because of that, does NOT mean they are consistent week to week, just means the end total is consistent. Make sense?

As for the bolded part? No matter what huh? What about the Jets, and Buffalo game? Cold weather you mention? So Brees sucks in cold weather, that sort of puts a dent in your "consistency" label....

No offense man, but you just sound like a Saints homer


Also, Manning's first name is spelled pEyton.

 

[pherein]

Where do you get your stats?

Brees has turned the ball over in 2 games? Try 5.

And I don't care about end of the season offensive rankings. I am talking week to week. One week the Saints score a ton of points on offense, the next they don't. So when you combine the 2 weeks of points and come out with an average, it's a lot of points. I would rather have an offense score 25 2 weeks in a row (Consistent), than 35 one week, and 15 the next (inconsistent).....

The ONLY thing consistent about the Saints offense is thier points output on a year to year basis, and their ranking in the league. Again, just because of that, does NOT mean they are consistent week to week, just means the end total is consistent. Make sense?

As for the bolded part? No matter what huh? What about the Jets, and Buffalo game? Cold weather you mention? So Brees sucks in cold weather, that sort of puts a dent in your "consistency" label....

No offense man, but you just sound like a Saints homer


Also, Manning's first name is spelled pEyton.

Where do you I get them from espn, where do you?
Saints have scored at the min 27 pts a game this year , 21 last year, so I guess you like what our offense is doing?

Its not only cold its wind above 30 mph , you right, he cant play in it, cant have everything, but we are playing the Pats in the Dome. chicago was -10 with 40 mph and snow, Brees cant do that, what the buffalo game showed us is we have something else to offer. We didn't have that in 2006 Deuce was hurt. either way we cant play on a SB on the Pats turf.

None taken , either way, I just don't think you understand how consistent this offense is even with big injuries, and a bad defense, for the last 2 years.
These are facts. Colts are not better than us on offense or been more consistent on offense even thou they had a better defense.

Also , how do you get 4 turn overs in 2 games and the offense consistently fights back for the same 39pt ratio, consistent thats how. While the other teams have struggled to keep or gain the lead? This is a really good offense, we just needed a defense.

look it up http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics

I consider every fan a homer dont you,lol

 

[RyanP421]

Where do you I get them from espn, where do you?
Saints have scored at the min 27 pts a game this year , 21 last year, so I guess you like what our offense is doing?

Its not only cold its wind above 30 mph , you right, he cant play in it, cant have everything, but we are playing the Pats in the Dome. chicago was -10 with 40 mph and snow, Brees cant do that, what the buffalo game showed us is we have something else to offer. We didn't have that in 2006 Deuce was hurt. either way we cant play on a SB on the Pats turf.

None taken , either way, I just don't think you understand how consistent this offense is even with big injuries, and a bad defense, for the last 2 years.
These are facts. Colts are not better than us on offense or been more consistent on offense even thou they had a better defense.

look it up 2009 NFL Player Index Stats - National Football League - ESPN

I consider every fan a homer dont you,lol

I do understand consistency, I don't think you do. Example.

Team A scores 35 points in week 1, and then 15 in week 2. They have a total of 50 points.

Team B scores 30 points in week 1, 20 in week 2 for a total of 50.

Both teams are comparable as far as total points scored, but the consistency is different. Team B is more consistent on a week to week basis, something the Saints just don't do. They will either rape you by putting up 40, or just not do well. Give me the consistent machine that Peyton Manning runs ANY DAY. (I hate the Colts and actually like the Saints so i have no bias)

And you said the lowest total of points your offense scored this year is 27? Really?

Some people fail to separate points scored by offense and defense. When you look at the final box score, it doesnt mean all the points scored were by Drew Brees and the offense. Some are special teams, some are defense..

Against the Jets, your defense scored 14 points on a pick 6 and a fumble...

Brees' led offense managed 10 points. The final line says 24, but only 10 was put up by the offense...BIG difference.

I keep hearing comparisons of this Saints offense with the 2007 Pats offense, and it is laughable to me. The Pats offense in 07 destroyed people on a CONSISTENT basis.

Week 1 - 38 (31 by offense)
Week 2 - 38 (31 by offense)
Week 3 - 38
Week 4 - 34
Week 5 - 34 (27 by offense)
Week 6 - 48
Week 7 - 48 (41 by offense)
Week 8 - 52 (45 by offense)
Total for OFFENSE only: 295 (37 pt avg)
Low: 27
High: 52 (25 pt difference)
THOSE are consistent numbers

Saints 2009
Week 1 - 45
Week 2 - 48 (41 by offense)
Week 3 - 27
Week 4 - 24 (10 by offense)
BYE
Week 6 - 48
Week 7 - 46 (33 by offense)
Week 8 - 35 (28 by offense)
Total for OFFENSE only: 232 (33 pt avg)
Low: 10
High: 48 (38 pt difference)
This is a great offense, but not completely CONSISTENT week to week.


I realize we werent comparing the two, but I felt it would help me describe to you what consistency is. If you give me a minute, I will look up the Colts numbers as well from this year to show you.

 

[RyanP421]

Colts 2009

Week 1 - 14
Week 2 - 27
Week 3 - 31
Week 4 - 34
Week 5 - 31
Bye
Week 7 - 42 (35 by offense)
Week 8 - 18
Total: 190 (27 pts a week)
Low: 18
High: 42 (24 pt difference)

While the Colts arent quite as high powered as the Saints are right now, they are more consistent in my opinion. You basically know what you'll get on a week to week basis. You may not get a 6 td raping like the Saints laid on DET, but you won't get many duds like you get time to time from the Saints.

This isnt to take anything away from the Saints, they are a terrific team, but to say they are more consistent than the Colts or whatever is just goofy to me.

 

[pherein]

I do understand consistency, I don't think you do. Example.

Team A scores 35 points in week 1, and then 15 in week 2. They have a total of 50 points.

Team B scores 30 points in week 1, 20 in week 2 for a total of 50.

Both teams are comparable as far as total points scored, but the consistency is different. Team B is more consistent on a week to week basis, something the Saints just don't do. They will either rape you by putting up 40, or just not do well. Give me the consistent machine that Peyton Manning runs ANY DAY. (I hate the Colts and actually like the Saints so i have no bias)

And you said the lowest total of points your offense scored this year is 27? Really?

Some people fail to separate points scored by offense and defense. When you look at the final box score, it doesnt mean all the points scored were by Drew Brees and the offense. Some are special teams, some are defense..

Against the Jets, your defense scored 14 points on a pick 6 and a fumble...

Brees' led offense managed 10 points. The final line says 24, but only 10 was put up by the offense...BIG difference.

I keep hearing comparisons of this Saints offense with the 2007 Pats offense, and it is laughable to me. The Pats offense in 07 destroyed people on a CONSISTENT basis.

Week 1 - 38 (31 by offense)
Week 2 - 38 (31 by offense)
Week 3 - 38
Week 4 - 34
Week 5 - 34 (27 by offense)
Week 6 - 48
Week 7 - 48 (41 by offense)
Week 8 - 52 (45 by offense)
Total for OFFENSE only: 295 (37 pt avg)
Low: 27
High: 52 (25 pt difference)
THOSE are consistent numbers

Saints 2009
Week 1 - 45
Week 2 - 48 (41 by offense)
Week 3 - 27
Week 4 - 24 (10 by offense)
BYE
Week 6 - 48
Week 7 - 46 (33 by offense)
Week 8 - 35 (28 by offense)
Total for OFFENSE only: 232 (33 pt avg)
Low: 10
High: 48 (38 pt difference)
This is a great offense, but not completely CONSISTENT week to week.


I realize we werent comparing the two, but I felt it would help me describe to you what consistency is. If you give me a minute, I will look up the Colts numbers as well from this year to show you.

are you daft I never compared the Saints with the 2007 patriots, I compared them to the colts, you just want to argue.
I dont need to. Saint will do what they have done since 2006. Saints are more consistent and the stats prove it. Look at the 2009 colts and Saints stats you posted.

 

[pherein]

Colts 2009

Week 1 - 14
Week 2 - 27
Week 3 - 31
Week 4 - 34
Week 5 - 31
Bye
Week 7 - 42 (35 by offense)
Week 8 - 18
Total: 190 (27 pts a week)
Low: 18
High: 42 (24 pt difference)

While the Colts arent quite as high powered as the Saints are right now, they are more consistent in my opinion. You basically know what you'll get on a week to week basis. You may not get a 6 td raping like the Saints laid on DET, but you won't get many duds like you get time to time from the Saints.

This isnt to take anything away from the Saints, they are a terrific team, but to say they are more consistent than the Colts or whatever is just goofy to me.

no its not, Saints are allot more consistent since 2006, and thats not just brees its the depth of the receivers.

 

[patsfan-1982]

i think all most all the game's from here on out are must win if they want to get a first round by in the playoff's

if they beat the fish that would give them pretty much a 3 game lead on them and at 3-5 the fish would be pretty much knocked out of the playoff race

if they lose to the colts that would end any hope of geting the #1 seed in the playoff's

if they lose to the saints its a none conference lose it would not realy hurt there playoff hope's


but this week is more of a must win then all of them

if they lose to the colts and saints i would not be happy

but if they lose to the fish ya they got a good runing game and a good passrush but they are a 3 and 4 team that the pats got 2 week's to get redy for and got them at home

if they cant beat them that would tell me that the pats are not a very good team and no more then a one and done playoff team at best

im no looking for a 59 to 0 win but i am looking for a win even if it's only by 3 points in over time

 

[RyanP421]

are you daft I never compared the Saints with the 2007 patriots, I compared them to the colts, you just want to argue.
I dont need to. Saint will do what they have done since 2006. Saints are more consistent and the stats prove it. Look at the 2009 colts and Saints stats you posted.

The stats DON'T prove it.

I brought up the 2007 Patriots offense to show you what consistency means.

The Saints are NOT consistent on offense in 2009.

I don't give a damn about 2006, what does that have to do with this Saints team?

In 2009, the Saints arent as consistent as the Colts. They may put more points up every now and than, but they don't have as consistent a output from week to week as the Colts do. Why is that hard to understand dude?

Sure, the Saints can put up 40 on any given Sunday (almost), but they can also put up 10.

The Colts don't. They tend to stay near the 25 area week to week, which is MORE CONSISTENT. Not higher scoring, but more CONSISTENT.

It's not rocket science.

Anyway man, I'm done here. If this doesn't make you understand, I'm not sure what will.

That being said, I can't for week 12. But first, we need to focus on Miami.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Getting back to the main topic...

Yes the Pats need this game. It's for division dominance. That is the most important type of game. If the Pats win the AFCE that guarantees a playoff berth. No going 11-5 without a playoff shot this year, tyvm!

 

[bostonia3333]

I'm saying this is a must win if SB is the goal and not just making the darn playoffs. I think 13-3 will get NE a bye and anything less will probably mean home wild card team. 11-5/10-6 will get NE the division.

I think the bye is really important for this team. Having to play one less game would make this playoffs alot more relaxing and less nerve racking. Wild card opponents are no gimme games either. Hopefully NE beats the heck out of the game manager that is Chad Henne and hopefully split the Saints and Colts games. I'd be ecstatic with 2-1 considering the next 3 games of competition. After that, I think this team can run the table.

13-3 would be pretty sweet.

 

[pherein]

The stats DON'T prove it.

I brought up the 2007 Patriots offense to show you what consistency means.

The Saints are NOT consistent on offense in 2009.

I don't give a damn about 2006, what does that have to do with this Saints team?

In 2009, the Saints arent as consistent as the Colts. They may put more points up every now and than, but they don't have as consistent a output from week to week as the Colts do. Why is that hard to understand dude?

Sure, the Saints can put up 40 on any given Sunday (almost), but they can also put up 10.

The Colts don't. They tend to stay near the 25 area week to week, which is MORE CONSISTENT. Not higher scoring, but more CONSISTENT.

It's not rocket science.

Anyway man, I'm done here. If this doesn't make you understand, I'm not sure what will.

That being said, I can't for week 12. But first, we need to focus on Miami.

Yep we disagree, we'll just solve it on the field