State of the Teams: New York Jets

[PatsCanDoIt]

The Jets will be the worst team in the division. They ran well last season but struggled in short yardage situations. Why so bad against a stacked defense? Their backs were undersized. However, I think the linemen should take most of the blame. They will be facing those fronts with weak WRs and an unproven QB.

The defense allowed 22ppg. I don't think they are any better now. I never thought Mangini was a bad coach. I think he's a POS, but that's a character judgement. He is much better than Rex Ryan. Last years Jets defense was able to cover #1 and 2 WR but no one else. If you can't cover TEs why not blitz that LB/S instead?! Either way you give up 1st downs and the Jets allowed the 2nd most through the air. Those sack numbers from last year (most this decade) will take a dive now that Pace is out.

Nine wins is crazy talk. At least the trash talk will be at an All-Pro level.

 

[NewYorkJets1993]

I am really in absolute amazement that some people think Mangini was and is a good coach. Are you kidding me? Watch the Seattle game from Week 16 this past year and look at the decisions he made. What an abomination. I just wanted to voice that.

To be brief, I see the Jets going 9-7 or 10-6. Great O-Line, much upgraded defense, upgraded coaching, still very good running game.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

I am really in absolute amazement that some people think Mangini was and is a good coach. Are you kidding me? Watch the Seattle game from Week 16 this past year and look at the decisions he made. What an abomination. I just wanted to voice that.

To be brief, I see the Jets going 9-7 or 10-6. Great O-Line, much upgraded defense, upgraded coaching, still very good running game.

I'd have figured you'd be helping to pick out the halftime entertainment at the Super Bowl instead of worrying about this thread...we have two votes for Alison Krause and Union Station, maybe you can make it three.

 

[NewYorkJets1993]

I'd have figured you'd be helping to pick out the halftime entertainment at the Super Bowl instead of worrying about this thread...we have two votes for Alison Krause and Union Station, maybe you can make it three.

I say we bring back Janet & Justin.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

I say we bring back Janet & Justin.

Damn New Yorkers, this is why they had to put up curtains around the stadium in New Jersey.

 

[Ring 6]

I am really in absolute amazement that some people think Mangini was and is a good coach. Are you kidding me? Watch the Seattle game from Week 16 this past year and look at the decisions he made. What an abomination. I just wanted to voice that.

To be brief, I see the Jets going 9-7 or 10-6. Great O-Line, much upgraded defense, upgraded coaching, still very good running game.

I would think that when your team has had 13 winning season in 49 years, you'd have a little respect for the guy who had 2 in 3 years.
Tell me you weren't calling him Mangenious in 2006, and that you were saying bad things about him when you were 8-3 last year.
Its not his fault the players weren't good enough to win more than he did,.

 

[PatsCanDoIt]

I am really in absolute amazement that some people think Mangini was and is a good coach. Are you kidding me? Watch the Seattle game from Week 16 this past year and look at the decisions he made. What an abomination. I just wanted to voice that.

To be brief, I see the Jets going 9-7 or 10-6. Great O-Line, much upgraded defense, upgraded coaching, still very good running game.

The Browns with Mangini may win nine or ten games, not the Jets. That alleged great Oline and running game were not able to pick up first downs running the ball. Losing Baker as a run blocker won't help.

A downgrade at WR and QB (at least this year) and the Jets offense won't score 17ppg. To win nine or ten games the defense will have to then allow only 14ppg. That would require a great defense. The defense can be much better, allow four fewer points from last season, and still the Jets only win seven games.

This dead horse continues to get its ass beat.

 

[Rob0729]

I am really in absolute amazement that some people think Mangini was and is a good coach. Are you kidding me? Watch the Seattle game from Week 16 this past year and look at the decisions he made. What an abomination. I just wanted to voice that.

To be brief, I see the Jets going 9-7 or 10-6. Great O-Line, much upgraded defense, upgraded coaching, still very good running game.

I didn't think Mangini was a good coach at all. Then again, I have no idea if Ryan will be an upgrade or not. If he sucks, he wouldn't be the first great coordinator who failed as a head coach (all you have to do is look at his father).

My reasoning is that the Jets' schedule was easier last year (which could be proven wrong), even how bad Favre played at times, he was better than Sanchez or Clemmens will be this year, the Jets are not deep at many positions and they were lucky with injuries last year and can't count on it this year, the offense is downgraded this year, and the defensive upgrades have been overrated in my opinion.

 

[Ring 6]

I didn't think Mangini was a good coach at all. Then again, I have no idea if Ryan will be an upgrade or not. If he sucks, he wouldn't be the first great coordinator who failed as a head coach (all you have to do is look at his father).

My reasoning is that the Jets' schedule was easier last year (which could be proven wrong), even how bad Favre played at times, he was better than Sanchez or Clemmens will be this year, the Jets are not deep at many positions and they were lucky with injuries last year and can't count on it this year, the offense is downgraded this year, and the defensive upgrades have been overrated in my opinion.

I think you are leaping the Grand Canyon to call Rex Ryan a 'great coordinator' he was DC for 4 years and the team averaged less than 9 wins. In 2 of the 4 they won 5 and 6, the 2 worst years of the 8 year Billick tenure. In other words brian Billick had his 2 worst seasons in 2 of the 3 years Ryan was DC.
Ryan took over a defense that was already in place and dominant and had 2 losing seasons in his 4 years as DC.
Mediocre, held it together, stepped in and didnt screw it up too bad, etc seem appropriately descriptive of his DC experience, certainly not GREAT.

 

[K-Ro 25]

I would think that when your team has had 13 winning season in 49 years, you'd have a little respect for the guy who had 2 in 3 years.
Tell me you weren't calling him Mangenious in 2006, and that you were saying bad things about him when you were 8-3 last year.
Its not his fault the players weren't good enough to win more than he did,.

So does this qualify Herm Edwards as a good coach since he made the playoffs 4 times w/ the Jets?

 

[K-Ro 25]

the jets are going to try to pound out games by running the ball 50-60 times..........problem is that they did little to resolve their biggest problem which is defending the short passing game.........their LB's simply can't cover and its not something bart scott can fix by himself.......

everyone will constantly be playing 8 in the box and maybe even 9

the defense isn't any younger and got tired down the stretch last year

Ty Law transitioned to Lito Sheppard, Eric Barton transitioned to Bart Scott makes us younger, no?

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

So does this qualify Herm Edwards as a good coach since he made the playoffs 4 times w/ the Jets?

Nope, Herm squandered talent like a drunken sailor on liberty spends money (been there, I recognise the symptoms). We can both agree that Belichick is a great coach, what would Herm have done with Matt Cassel and the New England 2008 tour? He'd have been out on the field massaging Brady's leg, then he'd have given Cassel a heart-to-heart 'your not as good, but you can do it' speech while rubbing Cassel's leg, then called a press conference and talked for hours about everything and nothing. Belichick stayed on the sidelines acting like it was a third string WR on Special Teams, then made every effort to ignore the issue in his press conferences - business as usual, what's everybody so worked up about. Lombardi would have kicked his team's collective assets up between their ears and cleared their minds of anything but what he wanted in their heads. Parcells would made faces at the reporters and told them how stupid they were, then called his new starter a girl and challenged him to perform like a #1. Herm...I miss having him in NY, but you folks just may have found his replacement. :singing:

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Ty Law transitioned to Lito Sheppard, Eric Barton transitioned to Bart Scott makes us younger, no?

Yep, but Bart Scott lowers your team's IQ by quite a bit.

 

[Deus Irae]

So does this qualify Herm Edwards as a good coach since he made the playoffs 4 times w/ the Jets?

Not that it makes a huge difference in the discussion, but I think the Jets only got to the playoffs 3 times under Edwards, on two 10 win seasons and a 9-7 wildcard berth the season that they smoked the Colts 41-0.

 

[Ring 6]

So does this qualify Herm Edwards as a good coach since he made the playoffs 4 times w/ the Jets?

He made it 3 times, and I would say, in the pantheon of NYJ HCs he is one of the most successful.
The obvious point to bring up is that Edwards took over a team built by Parcells that was significantly better than the one he handed over to Mangini.

 

[K-Ro 25]

He made it 3 times, and I would say, in the pantheon of NYJ HCs he is one of the most successful.
The obvious point to bring up is that Edwards took over a team built by Parcells that was significantly better than the one he handed over to Mangini.

I just made that statement to reference that you cant just look at stats and declare Mangini a good coach. I think he still has potential to be an exceptional coach, however come game day he has 0 clue for the game. He is too much of a thinker that it hinders his ability to make decisions come gameday which involve gut feelings of the game as it progresses.

Yep, but Bart Scott lowers your team's IQ by quite a bit.

Not quite, he knows the Ravens system inside and out and will be a great LB to lead by example on and off the field to the other guys as they try to pick up the new D. Is the guy a hot head at times? Yup, but he is a fierce competitor who brings max effort to anything football.

Not that it makes a huge difference in the discussion, but I think the Jets only got to the playoffs 3 times under Edwards, on two 10 win seasons and a 9-7 wildcard berth the season that they smoked the Colts 41-0.

My mistake I counted one year twice by mistake

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

You know there isn't s*** to talk about when there is a thread devoted to the Jets. Writers block?

 

[Deus Irae]

My mistake I counted one year twice by mistake

No problem. Edwards may suck as a coach, but he cleaned Manning's clock that season, so I'll always have at least that fond spot for him.

 

[Deus Irae]

You know there isn't s*** to talk about when there is a thread devoted to the Jets. Writers block?

Yes, breaking down the opposing teams as we head into the season is just silly.

 

[Ring 6]

I would think a franchise that has 12 playoff appearances in 49 years would sing the priases of the coach who led them to 3 of them in 5 years.
Isn't Herman Edwards worthy of enshrinement in the Jets Hall of Fame? Other than Webb Ewbank, he is probably the most successful coach in the history of the franchise.
So careful when you make sarcastic remarks about Edwards being good, he's one of the best you've ever had.