Trade UPs?? When was the last time one worked out??

[jeffbiologist]

With all this "ammo" and BB talking about the possibilities I think its a noteworthy discussion. While I was laughed at when I said C.Long would "bust", there are plenty of posters each year crying for us to trade up for a binkie. Recent memory has me thinking about Chad Jackson and Daniel Graham, but I also remember us having to get Fryar at #1(?!?). Can anyone remember this administration EVER trading UP for a pick that worked out?? And I mean outplayed the position they drafted him. I cant think of one....unless you count Light I suppose.

 

[DaBruinz]

With all this "ammo" and BB talking about the possibilities I think its a noteworthy discussion. While I was laughed at when I said C.Long would "bust", there are plenty of posters each year crying for us to trade up for a binkie. Recent memory has me thinking about Chad Jackson and Daniel Graham, but I also remember us having to get Fryar at #1(?!?). Can anyone remember this administration EVER trading UP for a pick that worked out?? And I mean outplayed the position they drafted him. I cant think of one....unless you count Light I suppose.

Light. Ty Warren. Gino Wilson before he was injured.

But, with 73% of the Pats trades being trade downs, its hard to remember.

 

[spacecrime]

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sweet.....

 

[letekro]

Ty Warren.

Matt Light.

Daniel Graham.

Eugene Wilson.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Ty Warren. It was a small tradeup though.

 

[mayoclinic]

Lots of good examples of tradeups in recent years outside of the Pats. Pittsburgh had 2 great ones, trading up to 16 for Troy Polamalu in 2003 and trading up from 32 to 25 for Santonio Holmes in 2006. Denver traded up for Jay Cutler (which would have been considered successful until recently) in 2006 as well.

The Pats traded up in 2001 to get Matt Light. That didn't work out too badly. We also traded up in 2002 for Dan Graham and in 2003 for Ty Warren. The only trade up which didn't work out well was the infamous one in 2006 for Chad Jackson.

 

[mayoclinic]

Light. Ty Warren. Gino Wilson before he was injured.

But, with 73% of the Pats trades being trade downs, its hard to remember.

Strictly speaking Eugene Wilson wasn't a trade up. We traded #19 in 2003 down to 36 with Baltimore plus a 2004 1st round pick (which turned out to be the 21 that we used to draft Vince Wilfork).

 

[letekro]

I thought we traded down to 41 as part of the Kyle Boller trade then up to 36? Thus, they traded UP to take Wilson.

 

[mayoclinic]

I thought we traded down to 41 as part of the Kyle Boller trade then up to 36? Thus, they traded UP to take Wilson.

You're absolutely right. My bad. Thanks for setting me straight.

 

[jeffbiologist]

Ty Warren. It was a small tradeup though.

Well, thats kinda my point. We gave up a 6th to move up 1 spot. I like Warren, he is a solid player, but are we 100% sure the Bears were going to take him??

 

[Deus Irae]

Well, thats kinda my point. We gave up a 6th to move up 1 spot. I like Warren, he is a solid player, but are we 100% sure the Bears were going to take him??

Who cares? He fit your criteria.

 

[mayoclinic]

Well, thats kinda my point. We gave up a 6th to move up 1 spot. I like Warren, he is a solid player, but are we 100% sure the Bears were going to take him??

In 2006 Haloti Ngata unexpectedly fell out of the top 10. Cleveland picked #12 and was rumored to be very interested in him. Baltimore at #13 swapped picks with Cleveland for a #6 pick and took Ngata, who is a pro bowl DT. Cleveland took Kamerion Wimbley at #13, who hasn't set the world on fire. They took a DT from Stanford who didn't make the roster. I'd say the 6th was well worth it for Baltimore.

 

[jeffbiologist]

sweet.....

I think this was your most intelligent post to date....

 

[Feep50]

If, and it's a big if, BB trades up to say around 14-16 who do you want that player to be? I'm getting the vibes he might covet Malcolm Jenkins.....

Who you all want in a trade up scenario?

 

[jmt57]

Ty Warren, Eugen Wilson, Asante Samuel, Daniel Graham, and Matt Light.

Reality is you can't be so narrow-minded as to say never or always in business. Perhaps trading down or out of a draft is generally a better philosophy, but just because it is that does not mean the Pats should close their eyes to ever trading up. This kind of thinking (never trade up) is like saying always run on first down, always kick on 4th, etc.

Sure, take the tendencies in to consideration, but be ahead of the curve rather than behind it. Maybe the Pats will be fortunate enough to take advantage of a team that will do whatever it takes to trade down since that is the new mantra; who knows?

 

[mayoclinic]

If, and it's a big if, BB trades up to say around 14-16 who do you want that player to be? I'm getting the vibes he might covet Malcolm Jenkins.....

Who you all want in a trade up scenario?

There are 4 possible player trade up scenarios I can envision:

1. Aaron Curry falls past Oakland to the 8-11 range. We trade 23 and 58 (and possibly some change) to move up. Jacksonville moved from 26 to 8 by giving up 71, 89 and 125 last year, so we are at least in the right ballpark.

2. Curry is gone but BJ Raji falls to the 10-14 range. Would consider the same kind of trade.

3. One of the top OT's falls to the 12-16 range. Would consider trading 34 + 58 or 23 + 89 to move up if BB thought he was a good fit. Andre Smith is the most likely candidate, though he has issues.

4. Trade 23 + 89 and change to move up to around 15-18 for Malcolm Jenkins.

Assuming BB thought highly enough of those players, any of those moves would probably be a good investment. There's no one else on my list who I would consider moving up for. Some people on this board would suggest Tyson Jackson, but I'm not a fan.

 

[BradfordPatsFan]

Well, thats kinda my point. We gave up a 6th to move up 1 spot. I like Warren, he is a solid player, but are we 100% sure the Bears were going to take him??

Maybe he was 100% sure another team was going to jump into that spot to take Warren. Either way, it fits what you asked about.

 

[letekro]

Well, thats kinda my point. We gave up a 6th to move up 1 spot. I like Warren, he is a solid player, but are we 100% sure the Bears were going to take him??

Jeff, we've come to expect such insightful analysis from you that this comes as a bit of a surprise. They weren't worried about the Bears taking him, they were worried about another team trading with the Bears and taking him...

 

[Feep50]

There are 4 possible player trade up scenarios I can envision:

1. Aaron Curry falls past Oakland to the 8-11 range. We trade 23 and 58 (and possibly some change) to move up. Jacksonville moved from 26 to 8 by giving up 71, 89 and 125 last year, so we are at least in the right ballpark.

2. Curry is gone but BJ Raji falls to the 10-14 range. Would consider the same kind of trade.

3. One of the top OT's falls to the 12-16 range. Would consider trading 34 + 58 or 23 + 89 to move up if BB thought he was a good fit. Andre Smith is the most likely candidate, though he has issues.

4. Trade 23 + 89 and change to move up to around 15-18 for Malcolm Jenkins.

Assuming BB thought highly enough of those players, any of those moves would probably be a good investment. There's no one else on my list who I would consider moving up for. Some people on this board would suggest Tyson Jackson, but I'm not a fan.

Trying to recall: Jax moved up for Dorsey?

I like all 4 of your possible moves up.... player wise.....

I have nothing against Matt Light at all.... But I would LOVE a 1st rd OT!

 

[mayoclinic]

Trying to recall: Jax moved up for Dorsey?

I like all 4 of your possible moves up.... player wise.....

I have nothing against Matt Light at all.... But I would LOVE a 1st rd OT!

The Jags moved up for Derrick Harvey, and then moved up again in the 2nd round to get a favorite of many on this board, Quentin Groves. They were coming off a playoff loss to the Pats and felt that with a better pass rush they could challenge Indy. Didn't work out too well last year. KC got Dorsey at #5 last year, even though he was generally considered the top player in the draft. He didn't do too much for them his first year out, but it's early. I'm not sure how his skills will translate to their new scheme.

If, 2 days before the draft last year, anyone had predicted that Baltimore would trade back from 8 to 26 and then trade back up to 18 to get Joe Flacco, we would have all called them crazy. I'm assuming some similar things will happen this year, particularly with all the talent clustered together.