Reiss: Cassel most likely to KC

[JoeShmoe]

You still haven't explained why taking Stafford #1 overall helps the Lions more than taking Cassel with pick #20 overall. I think Detroit is still a player.
Detroit needs to plug in veterans that can turn their team around NOW, not plug in a fresh of the boat guy who might become good 2-3 years from now.

We'll find out even more who the real suitors are once free agency begins.

I dont think they will take Stafford at #1. As I said I think they will use Culpepper next year and go defence and OL in the early rounds.

I also agree with the cost to reward point

 

[reflexblue]

imo these teams are posturing (we don't need Cassel, Rosenfelds or Culpepper is adequate) hoping to drive the price down.) If they really believe in these guys it shows why their teams either suck or lose in the end,they don't get it. The thing is we DON'T know what is going to happen with TB so even if we have to hold on to him for another year his resume will be what it was. Maybe it will even grow in the minds of some GM's. So even if we don't trade him this year theres always next. These GM's may think they can wait us out but eventually they'll fold.

 

[Spiral]

Remember--the comp pick is in 2010, so a 2009 3rd would be (a wee bit) better.

Assuming he's signed the franchise tender, then he wouldn't be a free agent until next year. The comp pick would then be in 2011.

 

[JustWinBrady]

So even if we don't trade him this year theres always next. These GM's may think they can wait us out but eventually they'll fold.

my thinking is the patriots want to trade cassel asap once they have a partner where the compensation is close. there is no way they want 14.5M tied up for any longer than it needs be. this 14.5M will be holding the team back when it comes to signing free-agents and extending some their own. the sooner the team can get rid of cassel, the better off the team will be.

 

[reflexblue]

my thinking is the patriots want to trade cassel asap once they have a partner where the compensation is close. there is no way they want 14.5M tied up for any longer than it needs be. this 14.5M will be holding the team back when it comes to signing free-agents and extending some their own. the sooner the team can get rid of cassel, the better off the team will be.

I think that also,but i also get a feeling that GM's out there are feighning indifference or taking up other solutions to their QB situation to push the asking price down. Its totally illogical for a team like Detroit for example to say they can get by with Culpepper or a rookie when they could get a franchise QB. The same goes for Minn., but that maybe a case of a deep dislike by Childress for the Pats. Ultimetly i'd like to see Cassel traded this year. I could live with KC's 2nd this year and its first and fourth next year.

 

[The_Riddler]

I think that also,but i also get a feeling that GM's out there are feighning indifference or taking up other solutions to their QB situation to push the asking price down. Its totally illogical for a team like Detroit for example to say they can get by with Culpepper or a rookie when they could get a franchise QB. The same goes for Minn., but that maybe a case of a deep dislike by Childress for the Pats. Ultimetly i'd like to see Cassel traded this year. I could live with KC's 2nd this year and its first and fourth next year.

You'll have to drop the #1 pick expectations, even if it's in 2010. It's just not going to happen. Let's settle for KC's #2 this year and a 2 or 3 next year at best. Let's not get greedy or we'll end up stuck staring at 14.5M holding a clipboard in 09 with no FAs to bring in.

 

[reflexblue]

You'll have to drop the #1 pick expectations, even if it's in 2010. It's just not going to happen. Let's settle for KC's #2 this year and a 2 or 3 next year at best. Let's not get greedy or we'll end up stuck staring at 14.5M holding a clipboard in 09 with no FAs to bring in.

You keep saying that Riddler but i think we can and will get a #1 for Cassel. But that being said i wouldn't be shocked if we got a different package of picks, i wouldn't feel good about it. I think we got robbed a couple of years ago when we swapped picks with SF we traded one of our 2 #1's that year for SF pick last year'08 and nothing else. I said on here at the time i had never seen one team (the pats) trade their first rnd.pick for another teams first the year after and not get anything more such as a third rounder. I guess i should have said that we should have gotten SF's and 3rd in '07 and their 1st in '08 for giving them our 1st in '07.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

I said on here at the time i had never seen one team (the pats) trade their first rnd.pick for another teams first the year after and not get anything more such as a third rounder. I guess i should have said that we should have gotten SF's and 3rd in '07 and their 1st in '08 for giving them our 1st in '07.

The Patriots got the SF 4th round pick that year. Not a lot, but it's not nothing either.

 

[reflexblue]

The Patriots got the SF 4th round pick that year. Not a lot, but it's not nothing either.

I don't remember that,my mistake. But your right it wasn't a lot we should have done better.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

The Patriots got the SF 4th round pick that year. Not a lot, but it's not nothing either.

I don't remember that,my mistake. But your right it wasn't a lot we should have done better.

It's not a lot but as it turns out that pick was traded for Mr. Randy Moss :

Patriots Land Randy Moss Matt's Pats Blog

"The Patriots have traded their first 4th round draft pick (pick 110 overall) to the Oakland Raiders for disgruntled WR Randy Moss. The pick was sent to the Patriots from the 49ers earlier in the draft. The Patriots had traded the 28th overall pick for the 110th overall and the 49ers' first round pick next year. Essentially, the Pats traded the 28th overall for Randy Moss and a first rounder."

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Assuming he's signed the franchise tender, then he wouldn't be a free agent until next year. The comp pick would then be in 2011.

I was referring to trade pick for Cassel v. getting a potential comp pick for letting Cassel walk.

And, BTW, not a UFA = not eligible for comp picks (in other words, if the Patriots let Cassel walk after 2009 in an uncapped year, they would get nothing in return).

 

[VJCPatriot]

I dont think they will take Stafford at #1. As I said I think they will use Culpepper next year and go defence and OL in the early rounds.

I also agree with the cost to reward point

Your belief in Culpepper's ability as a starter is astounding. It mirrors the faith that the Dolphins fans had in him... before they found out he was a DUD. How does playing with a black hole at QB make any team better off?

 

[JMarr]

Your belief in Culpepper's ability as a starter is astounding. It mirrors the faith that the Dolphins fans had in him... before they found out he was a DUD. How does playing with a black hole at QB make any team better off?

What you and some others aren't acknowledging is that Detroit doesn't need an Franchise starter (Cassel) next year--they are going to suck next year anyway. Makes a ton more sense for them to use Culpeper or someone as a stopgap while they rebuild the team from the ground up.

I think them taking going OL and LB with their first two, then Josh Freeman as their 3rd pick makes a ton of sense.

 

[mgteich]

Detriot has a great opportunity. They have lots of great picks in a fine draft. They need to start with the OL and the front seven. It will be easy to show improvement over the next three years if they use their draft picks and cap money wisely. Culpepper and one of the other vets is fine for a couple of years.

 

[JSn]

What you and some others aren't acknowledging is that Detroit doesn't need an Franchise starter (Cassel) next year--they are going to suck next year anyway. Makes a ton more sense for them to use Culpeper or someone as a stopgap while they rebuild the team from the ground up.

I think them taking going OL and LB with their first two, then Josh Freeman as their 3rd pick makes a ton of sense.

Somehow, you completely ignore the Miami experiment.

It's less likely for Det. to turn things around that fast, but not impossible by any means.

 

[farn]

Your belief in Culpepper's ability as a starter is astounding. It mirrors the faith that the Dolphins fans had in him... before they found out he was a DUD. How does playing with a black hole at QB make any team better off?

I've had just about enough of your Dante bashing young man.

Seriously though, if I were Detroit, I'd want to rid myself of all of these "QBs" (if they can even be considered as such). BUT - I'm pretty sure they're more than "a year away" or "a player away". Their best bet IS to build the DL and the OL with the picks they have. It'll mean more losing, but they must be used to that by now.

It's hard to tell where Cassel will end up - nut something tells me that Rosenfels isn't the Pro Bowler type : Minni still makes the most sense.

 

[JMarr]

Somehow, you completely ignore the Miami experiment.

It's less likely for Det. to turn things around that fast, but not impossible by any means.

You could be right I guess. Then again somehow it feels like there's a lot of room between that 1-15 and 0-16.

 

[PatsCanDoIt]

To reposition this thread back on course. KC released Damon Huard today. IOW, Pioli removed a quarterback from the Chiefs. Could they be looking to add a QB soon? Maybe Matty Cassel?

 

[JSn]

To reposition this thread back on course. KC released Damon Huard today. IOW, Pioli removed a quarterback from the Chiefs. Could they be looking to add a QB soon? Maybe Matty Cassel?

And beyond that, how about Huard as our #3?

 

[luisrha]

It's not a lot but as it turns out that pick was traded for Mr. Randy Moss :

Patriots Land Randy Moss Matt's Pats Blog

"The Patriots have traded their first 4th round draft pick (pick 110 overall) to the Oakland Raiders for disgruntled WR Randy Moss. The pick was sent to the Patriots from the 49ers earlier in the draft. The Patriots had traded the 28th overall pick for the 110th overall and the 49ers' first round pick next year. Essentially, the Pats traded the 28th overall for Randy Moss and a first rounder."

Plus, the Pats traded that SF's first rounder (7th overall) and a fifth for another first rounder (defensive rookie of the year Jerod Mayo) and a third rounder (Shawn Crable), which allowed them to trade another third rounder for a fifth rounder (then traded alongside a seventh for the fifth rounder) and a second rounder of this draft.

So, at the end, that first rounder gave us Randy Moss, Jerod Mayo and whoever we pick with SD's 2nd this year... pretty well, I think...