Reasonable Draft Day Trade Ideas

[ayjackson]

The #12 spot in the draft could be up for grabs. McDaniels and Nolan have to build a defence and probably would be interested in trading down in the first and adding additional picks. I think they would be interested in Raji and Curry at #12, otherwise would look for a DE towards the back of the first round via trade. To go from 23 to 12 would probably cost us the Chuggers second rounder and an additional 2009 or 2010 pick.

I could see us doing this if we had additional picks from a Cassel trade and if there was someone there at #12 who was a bit special - but I'm not sure whom that would be if not Raji and Curry.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

In the end, I think it makes little difference whether we receive a 2009 pick for Cassel and then trade a pick forward or get a 2010 pick and keep our picks. As it is, we will have 5 picks in the top 100 (including a compensatory 3rd for Samuel).

We have our normal complement of 4 later picks plus a couple of compensatory picks, perhaps a sixth a seventh.

Actually, if Stallworth qualifies, he's a 4, and Gay is probably a 5.

 

[BPF]

In terms of other possible scenarios, aside from whatever we get for Cassel, I think we are more likely to see us package picks to move up and get some studs, or trade OUT of this draft for 2010 picks, than any situation where we pick up more picks for this current draft.

Given the strong depth of the team, there aren't too many spots available.

This is a much deeper draft class than 2007, unless the Pats get blown away by some team and the value is too damn good I don't see moving out of this draft as an option. They will not only draft for need and value for 2009, 2010 needs because of the FA class need to considered.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

This is a much deeper draft class than 2007, unless the Pats get blown away by some team and the value is too damn good I don't see moving out of this draft as an option. They will not only draft for need and value for 2009, 2010 needs because of the FA class need to considered.

Yet the 2010 draft is shaping up to be deeper at DL who might fit well in a 3-4, rolling one or more picks forward improves the chance of landing one of those little lads.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

2. The Pats trade back from #23 to the bottom of the 1st round or even the top of the 2nd with a team somewhere between 28-34 who is targeting someone particular around #23, and pick up something like an additional late 2nd/early 3rd round pick. I could see this happening if the Pats don't see value at #23, or see equal value by moving back.

Every year someone recommends we trade out of the first round, but except for his first year here, I can not remember BB being without a first round pick.

Now I could see BB moving down 5-6 spots in the first rond, if there are multiple players at the same position that he is interested in and if that position is OLB, then that could easily happen.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

I don't know about any draft day trades, but I do think the Pats should dominate this year's draft. I think it's very possible that the Pats can get a 1st round pick in the 20's for Matt Cassel. In addition, most people are projecting that the Pats will get a 3rd round pick for the loss of Samuel. If these scenerio's above go as planned, the Pats will have 2 picks in each of the first 3 rounds! However, if they do trade up, I think they will target a stud O-lineman.

 

[dryheat44]

I just thought of this 3 way trade:

KC gets Matt Cassel & Buffalo's #11 pick overall

Buffalo gets Tony Gonzalez & Pat's #23 pick overall

Pats get KC's #3 pick overall

I'm going to go ahead and say that if Gonzo is traded, it's going to be to a team with a chance to win a ring. I'm sure he has no interest in Buffalo, and I'm pretty sure that Buffalo wouldn't be interested in him at the cost of the #11 pick.

I'm also fairly certain that Belichick doesn't want the #3 pick. To be honest, if we were drafting #3, I don't know who I'd grab. Perhaps Raji?

I'm curious to see if McDaniels doesn't appeal to his GM to trade Cutler for defensive help or picks to obtain defensive help, and make a play for Cassel. I suppose it would depend on how strongly McDaniels feels Cassel is a SuperBowl-quality quarterback.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I'm curious to see if McDaniels doesn't appeal to his GM to trade Cutler for defensive help or picks to obtain defensive help, and make a play for Cassel. I suppose it would depend on how strongly McDaniels feels Cassel is a SuperBowl-quality quarterback.

I'm going to guess this is highly unlikely. Not flat out impossible, but highly unlikely.

 

[mayoclinic]

I'm curious to see if McDaniels doesn't appeal to his GM to trade Cutler for defensive help or picks to obtain defensive help, and make a play for Cassel. I suppose it would depend on how strongly McDaniels feels Cassel is a SuperBowl-quality quarterback.

I personally think that would be crazy. Cassel will probably be a solid starter, but Cutler has already proven himself to be one of the best young QBs around. He should be the cornerstone of that team. Besides, if the Pats franchise Cassel, then what they'd have to give up to get him would likely negate whatever they would get back for Cutler. Just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[bakes781]

I'm going to go ahead and say that if Gonzo is traded, it's going to be to a team with a chance to win a ring. I'm sure he has no interest in Buffalo, and I'm pretty sure that Buffalo wouldn't be interested in him at the cost of the #11 pick.

I'm also fairly certain that Belichick doesn't want the #3 pick. To be honest, if we were drafting #3, I don't know who I'd grab. Perhaps Raji?

I'm curious to see if McDaniels doesn't appeal to his GM to trade Cutler for defensive help or picks to obtain defensive help, and make a play for Cassel. I suppose it would depend on how strongly McDaniels feels Cassel is a SuperBowl-quality quarterback.

True Buffalo doesn't look like a serious contender, but then again who thought Arizona would be within a TD of winning the SB last night? After week 5 the Bills looked to be the team to beat remember. I wouldn't rule them out as a contender IMO. I freely admit going from 11 to 23 is quite a drop(equal to about a high 2nd round pick) but if you remember the Giants got a 2nd rounder for Shockey.

Again I hadn't really thought of who I'd target at #3, but that's mostly because I suspect the rankings to change over the next 2 months.

I can't imagine the Broncos would be looking to part with Cutler. He's a great talent & I'd say right now is a better QB than Cassel. While they could get plenty for Jay, they'd have to give up almost as much in order to get Matt.

 

[dryheat44]

I personally think that would be crazy. Cassel will probably be a solid starter, but Cutler has already proven himself to be one of the best young QBs around. He should be the cornerstone of that team. Besides, if the Pats franchise Cassel, then what they'd have to give up to get him would likely negate whatever they would get back for Cutler. Just doesn't make sense to me.

Everything you say is true.

However, what if McDaniels feels Cassel is much better suited to running his offense? Cutler has a great arm, and is a great leader, but Cassel appears to read the defense better and is much more accurate, plus has four years in the system already. Let's say a team with a top 10 pick in need of a QB will trade that pick plus a defender for Cutler with three years remaining on a manageable contract, allowing the Broncos to draft Raji, and the Broncos offer a #3 pick this year, and a #1 next, for Cassel.

Denver just got a great piece to rebuild their defense, and a QB that knows exactly what offense McDaniels wants to install at the cost of a promising but inconsistent young QB that really doesn't fit his system and draft picks.

It's low-percentage, but it's fun to consider.

 

[bakes781]

I'm still surprised the Broncos even went after McDaniels considering how bad their defense is in need of an overhaul & the fact that they already have a young offensive coordinator who's considered pretty good.

 

[mayoclinic]

Everything you say is true.

However, what if McDaniels feels Cassel is much better suited to running his offense? Cutler has a great arm, and is a great leader, but Cassel appears to read the defense better and is much more accurate, plus has four years in the system already. Let's say a team with a top 10 pick in need of a QB will trade that pick plus a defender for Cutler with three years remaining on a manageable contract, allowing the Broncos to draft Raji, and the Broncos offer a #3 pick this year, and a #1 next, for Cassel.

Denver just got a great piece to rebuild their defense, and a QB that knows exactly what offense McDaniels wants to install at the cost of a promising but inconsistent young QB that really doesn't fit his system and draft picks.

It's low-percentage, but it's fun to consider.

How exactly are the Bronco's supposed to get Cassel. It's one thing if he becomes a FA. It's another altogether if they have to spend high picks to get him when they already have a top QB.

The offense has not been the problem in Denver, it's been the defense. It would be stupid for McDaniels to break what's working. The fan base would scream bloody murder if they traded Cutler and then Cassel came in and struggled. As it is, I think he's taking a big risk by changing the offensive scheme around, when they had a very good offense to begin with.

 

[jsull87]

i think this would be a realy good trade/scenario. if we traded cassel to the cheifs for their 1st and 2nd. but we also gave them our 1st rounder at 23. that leaves us with 3rd overall 3 picks in 2nd and 2 in the 3rd. then from that position at 3 in the 1st. we can even trade down on draft day and pick up even more picks. i seriously think that could be the best way to go about it. that way cheifs still get a 1st rounder and don't have to pay #3 money. we get an aditional 2nd then we trade down in the 1st with someone looking for a stud and get another pick in the 2nd or 3rd. what do ppl think

 

[mayoclinic]

i think this would be a realy good trade/scenario. if we traded cassel to the cheifs for their 1st and 2nd. but we also gave them our 1st rounder at 23. that leaves us with 3rd overall 3 picks in 2nd and 2 in the 3rd. then from that position at 3 in the 1st. we can even trade down on draft day and pick up even more picks. i seriously think that could be the best way to go about it. that way cheifs still get a 1st rounder and don't have to pay #3 money. we get an aditional 2nd then we trade down in the 1st with someone looking for a stud and get another pick in the 2nd or 3rd. what do ppl think

I'm not advocating the infamous draft point conversion charts by any means, but it does give some idea. According to the standard chart listed on nfldraftcountdown, the #3 pick is worth 2200 points and the #34 pick 56 points, so we would be receiving 2760 points. Our #23 is worth 760 points, so your trade would value Cassel at exactly 2000 points - midway between the value of the #3 and the #4 picks in the draft. So this wouldn't be much different than trading him straight up for the #3 pick - a mere 200 point different (the value of pick #78, so roughly the same as Cassel and our 3rd round pick for #3). He may indeed be worth that much, but I think that it will be hard to get that much for him. More power to the Pats if they can pull that off.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

The offense has not been the problem in Denver, it's been the defense. It would be stupid for McDaniels to break what's working. The fan base would scream bloody murder if they traded Cutler and then Cassel came in and struggled. As it is, I think he's taking a big risk by changing the offensive scheme around, when they had a very good offense to begin with.

Well, yes and no. The offense was streaky, big numbers one moment and flat the next. Josh knows the offense he was raised with, he's proven himself with two quarterbacks and a variety of supporting components, he has credibility going in with that history. The offense Denver ran was their attempt to emulate NE, why keep someone else's copy when you have the original?

If McDaniels is going to start out worrying about fan reaction, he's not the Belichick protege we've come to know. I believe trading Cutler isn't likely, he needs some careful handling to settle him down, but he's a talent worth developing and trading him still leaves a chunk of dead money. Bringing in Cassel while trading Cutler cuts into the resources you already have for team building.

 

[mayoclinic]

If McDaniels is going to start out worrying about fan reaction, he's not the Belichick protege we've come to know. I believe trading Cutler isn't likely, he needs some careful handling to settle him down, but he's a talent worth developing and trading him still leaves a chunk of dead money. Bringing in Cassel while trading Cutler cuts into the resources you already have for team building.

I doubt he'll worry about fan reaction, and wasn't trying to imply that. But Bowlen may. McDaniels is succeeding a local legend in Shanahan with 2 SB wins, and Cutler is probably the cornerstone of that franchise as much as anyone right now. Much as Bowlen is high on McDaniels at the moment, we've seen owners rapidly jettison coaches who can't win over and over before (Miami loved Cam Cameron before he went 1-15), and dropping Cutler would not be a wise move if the Broncos' offense sputtered. McDaniels would stand to gain much more and risk less by trying to smoothe out Cutler and take him to the next level than by replacing him, and, as you note, the move is as likely to cut into resources for team building as it is to add them.

 

[maverick4]

Not likely a new coach can get rid of a popular QB without taking damage.

Belichick is hated for getting rid of Kosar even though Kosar sucked and it was the right move.

Cutler is loved in Denver and in his prime. Getting rid of him for Cassel is out of the question. Even McDaniels isn't that foolish.

 

[alvinnf]

Who would take the Lions second round pick this year and next years first for Cassel. You wouldn't be paying top five money for an unproven commodity and with any luck matt could play us into a mid first round pick to go with our 32nd overall next year.

 

[bakes781]

Seeing all the new threads about trade ideas, I thought I'd bump this one so we could avoid clogging up the board.