The Official 'Trade Brady' Debate Thread - Do Not Start Another One

[scout]

Ok here:




I guess we just see differently on this issue. My priority is how what gives us the best chance moving forward. I believe that are best chance is with Brady behind center rather than Cassel. Now health is irrelevant here simply because you can't trade Brady if he can't pass a physical..so for this argument assume they are both healthy. (and i am still making the argument that a healthy TB + Cassel Trade is far greater for the Pats going forward then a healthy Cassel and TB trade)







Please show me where I bashed other posters for their opinions. Just for clarity here is my post:



In no way did i 'bash anyone for their opinion'....being surprised about how quickly people want to ride Cassel and trade TB is not bashing




Being attached to someone shouldn't be a factor, I am talking facts and my personal opinion here. I believe that TB behind center gives us our best chance to win. We have one of the best QB's of all time in his prime, and people are seriously talking about dumping him for some draft picks after one decent season from Cassel. (not to mention Cassel had a great cast around him, what would those same people be saying if Moss or Welker had gone down) We know what we get with TB....we still don't know what Cassel's career holds

I have absolutely no problem with your post. If you read the first line in my reply on your post, I stated: "I will use this post to reply to others as well".
I don't think you'll disagree that there is an abundant amount of emotions concerning this thread as well as bashing of members who have only proposed looking at other options. My bad, if you thought I was talking directly to your post.

 

[aluminum seats]

Ok here:




I guess we just see differently on this issue. My priority is how what gives us the best chance moving forward. I believe that are best chance is with Brady behind center rather than Cassel. Now health is irrelevant here simply because you can't trade Brady if he can't pass a physical..so for this argument assume they are both healthy. (and i am still making the argument that a healthy TB + Cassel Trade is far greater for the Pats going forward then a healthy Cassel and TB trade)

I referenced this point before.....health is not an either/or proposition. The question of Brady's health is not yes/no. It's an element in the mix, something for the Patriots to consider.

 

[mtbykr]

I referenced this point before.....health is not an either/or proposition. The question of Brady's health is not yes/no. It's an element in the mix, something for the Patriots to consider.

You are missing my point. Of course the pats have to consider TB's health, but that is not what I was referencing. What I am reading in this thread is the debate on whether the pats should trade cassel or trade TB. My point was that to do either they both have to be healthy. If they are both healthy then please make an argument for trading TB. It is irrelevant to make an argument about keeping Cassel and trading TB because of TB's injury. He would have to pass a physical in order to be traded, and if he's healthy enough to be traded then why would the pats do that rather than play him?

 

[mtbykr]

I have absolutely no problem with your post. If you read the first line in my reply on your post, I stated: "I will use this post to reply to others as well".
I don't think you'll disagree that there is an abundant amount of emotions concerning this thread as well as bashing of members who have only proposed looking at other options. My bad, if you thought I was talking directly to your post.

Fair enough....i responded because you quoted me and then said this:

Next item. If you of the opinion that Brady is too valuable to trade, then make your case vs bashing other members for their opinions.

No worries

 

[aluminum seats]

You are missing my point. Of course the pats have to consider TB's health, but that is not what I was referencing. What I am reading in this thread is the debate on whether the pats should trade cassel or trade TB. My point was that to do either they both have to be healthy. If they are both healthy then please make an argument for trading TB. It is irrelevant to make an argument about keeping Cassel and trading TB because of TB's injury. He would have to pass a physical in order to be traded, and if he's healthy enough to be traded then why would the pats do that rather than play him?

No, I'm not missing your point. MY point is that there is more complexity to a player's health than passing a physical--hence my point that health is not a yes/no proposition, as many here seem to think. Questions of health--short-term vs. long-term, issues of recurrence, etc.--have multiple components.

 

[BradyFTW!]

No, I'm not missing your point. MY point is that there is more complexity to a player's health than passing a physical--hence my point that health is not a yes/no proposition, as many here seem to think. Questions of health--short-term vs. long-term, issues of recurrence, etc.--have multiple components.

He won't be able to pass a physical until it's too late to trade him anyways, so it's a moot point. This entire thread is a moot point.

 

[mtbykr]

No, I'm not missing your point. MY point is that there is more complexity to a player's health than passing a physical--hence my point that health is not a yes/no proposition, as many here seem to think. Questions of health--short-term vs. long-term, issues of recurrence, etc.--have multiple components.

Ok, make your case.

 

[swheeler23]

Feb 27th Brady is due a 3 million dollar bonus. If the Patriots pay that we know the Patriots atleast think Brady can play again.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Feb 27th Brady is due a 3 million dollar bonus. If the Patriots pay that we know the Patriots atleast think Brady can play again.

But if the Patriots don't pay it, then, IIRC, Brady becomes an unrestricted free agent, and the Pats still take a $10M cap hit.

 

[Lifer]

Brady's a chokahhhh. He choked in tha Super Bowl. He hasnt won anything since 2004.
Hes a looosahhhhhh. Get that bah-staaaaaad outta here.....

 

[swheeler23]

At weei.com they interview Bradys long time coach. He says Brady could struggle early, like Manning, then get better as he plays. Will the Patriots fans give Brady that chance, like colt fans did for Manning?Will Patriots fans be on Brady even worse then they are now?

 

[Lifer]

At weei.com they interview Bradys long time coach. He says Brady could struggle early, like Manning, then get better as he plays. Will the Patriots fans give Brady that chance, like colt fans did for Manning?Will Patriots fans be on Brady even worse then they are now?

are you kidding? We are talking Boston sports fans.

one loss and they'll be booing Brady like hes Tony Eason.

 

[TruthSeeker]

You don't want to contribute?
You don't have a football opinion?
How about answering this question. If Brady is out for an extended period of time during the next season (a distinct possibility), would you be fine with O'Connell starting at qb given the scenario of Cassel being traded?

Actually, on the issue of trading Brady, I think the following statement sums up my opinion quite nicely:


This thread is lame.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

After seeing this thread survive near the top of the Board for many weeks, I finally decided to open it.

To me, the subject is like trying to nail a lemon merangue pie to a plate glass window.

1) We don't know whether TB will be able to: a) start at full strength from Game One in 2009; b) start at less than full strength in Game One but return to his old form sometime during the season; c) start sometime during 2009 but not return to his old form until 2010; d) start in 2009 but never return to his old form; e) not start at all in 2009 with a big question mark over his future; f) ever play again (the latter is probably not very likely, as he will almost certainly play again).

2) We also don't know whether there was a rift between the Pats and Brady over his decisions related to the surgery. There were many rumors and then, of course, both sides denied that there was any problem (what else would you expect them to do?). But we don't know. My own guess (as good as anyone else's) is that the Pats were rightly miffed that Brady went against their wishes related to the surgeon and surgery facility and that they got even more miffed when the complications developed, but that everyone has calmed down).

So, until we know something, there's not much point in discussing a trade, unless we want to spin endless hypothetical scenarios.

 

[Deus Irae]

Actually, on the issue of trading Brady, I think the following statement sums up my opinion quite nicely:


This thread is lame.

Scout, like this thread, and Like Hoodie, has jumped the shark. For that matter, the saying "jumped the shark" has jumped the shark.

 

[Rob0729]

Is this thread going on?!? Really?!? Is there really that much to say about the idiotic idea of trading Tom Brady?

As for the the term "jumped the shark", it has "nuked the fridge" so long ago, it isn't funny.

 

[Synovia]

So, until we know something, there's not much point in discussing a trade, unless we want to spin endless hypothetical scenarios.

Right, theres also no point in saying that "it can't happen". Thats just as ridiculous.

 

[nukin]

Re: The Official Trade Brady Thread

Let's trade Brady for Daunte' Culpepper - look and how he helped the lions.

 

[scout]

Re: The Official Trade Brady Thread

Let's trade Brady for Daunte' Culpepper - look and how he helped the lions.

You shouldn't mock the people who wanted to bring Culpepper in here after Brady went down.

 

[JSn]

Re: The Official Trade Brady Thread

You shouldn't mock the people who wanted to bring Culpepper in here after Brady went down.

Yeah, it's not like he didn't come up on almost every page of the "oh noes, we're sunk" threads.