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If the Vikings only had a QB

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What's holding the Vikings back in Childress. The guy has the technical genius of a watermelon. He really does call some of the most bizarre plays in a stretch you can see week in week out.

like punting on 4th down against the titans with no timeouts and less than 2 mins left to "get the ball back" when tenn just took a knee 3 times ?
 
Detroit has so many other needs than QB, it doesn't make sense to trade for one, costing them a 1st round pick plus another draft pick (Millen has been fired, I guess they will make better decision from now on). They will probably trade down and add a few picks to fill those holes.

Anyways, if Bradford and Stafford declare for the draft, they are going to be more attractive options than Cassel. I'm not saying better, but for the fans of a rebuilding team it's always nice to have those young prospects who could become the next Elway or Marino.
 
Detroit has so many other needs than QB, it doesn't make sense to trade for one, costing them a 1st round pick plus another draft pick (Millen has been fired, I guess they will make better decision from now on). They will probably trade down and add a few picks to fill those holes.

Anyways, if Bradford and Stafford declare for the draft, they are going to be more attractive options than Cassel. I'm not saying better, but for the fans of a rebuilding team it's always nice to have those young prospects who could become the next Elway or Marino.

honestly, i dont think so

ive talked to phins fans and jets fans, and they dont want to draft the new young guy, they want cassel

same thing for otehr guys higher up in the draft order...they want a guy who can play, not another project which may fail
 
Anyways, if Bradford and Stafford declare for the draft, they are going to be more attractive options than Cassel. I'm not saying better, but for the fans of a rebuilding team it's always nice to have those young prospects who could become the next Elway or Marino.

They're much more likely to become the next Alex Smith or Ryan Leaf than the next Elway or Marino!

I couldn't disagree with you more. If they're going to pick up a QB, why is the #1 pick on an unproven QB and pay him a boatload of cash, when you POSSIBLY get Cassel who looked good and continued to improve throughout the year for a 2nd round pick and most likely pay him less.

I'm out ... we can just agree to disagree.
 
It's tricky with Detroit for a bunch of reasons, not just value but they really need a jump start for the franchise and maybe a rookie is better for the excitement. But for a bunch of teams like Minnesota, TB, SF, etc, they are far better off with Cassel considering that he's proven in the NFL and they aren't in position to get one of the few top rookies anyway.
 
Wonder if they would be interested in Cassel?
Just a thought....
Ha ha. Weren't you the guy who said the Pats would go 0-16 if Brady ever went down and Cassel came in for him?
 
I still think Tarvaris Jackson is their "project" player. He honestly didn't look awful today
I don't know. He looked pretty bad to me. He is playing better than 2006 and 2007, so he is showing improvement, which I guess is the definition of a project (don't let a guy go until he stops improving because you don't know how high he ceiling is until he hits it), but if they had a decent QB to play with their two RBs, they'd be a great team.

Right now they have a terrific defense, a grat RB tandem and they are mediocre.
 
Childress is clueless, jackson is a bad QB, they could have had home field advantage if they had a qb...

I, for one, thought the Eagles were going to blow them out. With that being said-this was a VERY winnable game for the Vikings. Despite Tavaris' blunders, they were in it...but it was Childress who costed them this game with his big share of blunders(i.e. consistently punting it directly to DeSean Jackson instead of away from him-costing the Vikes alot of field position).
 
The funny thing is that neither Chicago or Minnesota will be

interested in Cassel. They are trying to swim against the tide to

prove that you can win championships with lousy quarterbacks



I agree with you. They MUST know their QB's stink but don't do anything.

I dunno. I think teams keep mediocre or less than star quality QB's for a variety of reasons.

In this case, I think it's really unfair to say that Jackson is a "lousy" QB. He isn't. He's a limited QB who's not likely ever to take a team all the way. Rex Grossman even somehow managed to stumble into a Super Bowl, though I don't think that Orton is a long term solution to anything but insomnia.

I think teams stick with these guys because they know they're at least competitive at a Divsional level with them over Center. Going 10--6 and winning a division, even an NFC division haunted by the Lions, is "competitive" by that definition. The Bears went 9--7 (in the same division), were in the Playoff hunt until Week 17 and made it to an SB two years ago.

Many of these ownerships think that "hope springs eternal" and would argue that Gibbs won a SB with Mark Rypien, that Billick won one with Trent Dilfer and that other less than star QB's have gone to SB's (the aformentioned Grossman, Vince Ferragamo and David Woodley, to name three).

But, these teams are stymied from going any further by a whole rash of things; perhaps by a lack of "other pieces" on the field or by weak Coordinators or HC's or by an unwillingness to invest in the front office and on the field or by a lack of understanding of the game (read Woody Johnson) or by owners distracted by business or personal affairs outside of football (read the Chiefs and the illness and death of Lamar Hunt, preoccupying the family for several years) or even by sheer timidity and a lack of imagination. As someone who has followed the Pats for many years, I can say that we have been characterized by one or more of the above at different times, pre-Bob Kraft.

Bottom line: not every Franchise in the NFL, no matter what they might say in their Press Releases or Year Books, is committed to excellence year in and year out on the Field. Many are committed to fielding a team that looks competitive in their divisions, puts fannies in seats and sells beer and cars on TV on 16 Sunday Afternoons.

The Great NFL Franchises, among which the Patriots under the Krafts are now clearly numbered, are committed to excellence and being competitive for a shot at the SB every year. But, let's face it, that's a small club. And even members of that club have long periods of drought between SB runs (Steelers, Niners, Boys, to name just three). The Steelers couldn't find the right QB for years, though they had the right coach. The Niners suffered from abysmal management.
 
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First off, welcome, and great handle.

If we had #24, #33, #44, and number #57 (I think) plus our 3rd round pick and a 3rd round comp pick for Asante, we would be in amazing shape. The way this draft is shaping up, there will be a fair amount of first round talent available in the second round.

Close. The Pats are the first 11-5 team in round one, so they're the last 11-5 team in round two; right now, that'd be #59.
 
anyone who says we are going to get less than a 1st for cassel is absolutley dreaming. roy williams got cowboys 1st. if there was the proposed trade with the lions we would be asking 2010 1st and 2009 2nd or something of the like. another tag n trade for jarred allen got kansas city a 1st of that year. I think any talk of "i would be happy with a 3rd" or "we will probably get a 2nd" is not giving cassel the value he deserves. i am not saying he is brady manning e.t.c but he just led a team to 11-5 in his 1st yr. i think after watching the game last night the vikings would give up a 1st for cassel definately
 
anyone who says we are going to get less than a 1st for cassel is absolutley dreaming. roy williams got cowboys 1st. if there was the proposed trade with the lions we would be asking 2010 1st and 2009 2nd or something of the like. another tag n trade for jarred allen got kansas city a 1st of that year. I think any talk of "i would be happy with a 3rd" or "we will probably get a 2nd" is not giving cassel the value he deserves. i am not saying he is brady manning e.t.c but he just led a team to 11-5 in his 1st yr. i think after watching the game last night the vikings would give up a 1st for cassel definately

Here's the question, though--are the Pats more concerned with trying to maximize the value they get from Cassel, or more concerned about trying to keep him away from the JEST (and to a lesser extent the Bills and LOLphins)? If it's the latter, they may tell Cassel--go out and get the best deal you can, and let 'em know this is what we're looking for. I wouldn't be surprised if they "settle" for a second-rounder plus a conditional 2010 pick (based on performance in 2009).
 
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thats what i am saying. i fully agree they won't let him go in the division enless there is some sort of rediculious offer no one would turn down. but basically yeah not going to jets or dolphins. but i just think ppl on this thread have been groslet undervalueing cassel. i mean on other threads ppl have talked about a 2nd for chad jackson. and now we are talking about a 2nd for cassel one is a young qb who just went 11-5 the other is a good reciever but a trouble maker. i just think we trade him out of conference either vikings, bears, tampa, san fran or detroit. this is just spit balling but i think if it were me i would say 2009 1st rounder plus a 2010 conditional like farves if they make the playoffs the 2010 goes to a 1st go above .500 2nd if below .500 3rd somehting like that.
 
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