Live by the Favre, Die by the Favre

[Lifer]

Now lets change the Karma!!!

We love you Jets! We love you Brett! Beat the Dolphins!!!!!!!!

 

[Rob0729]

I don't "get this" because it's not accurate. Denver, just for one example, put up 34 points. Tthats not on Favre, no matter how hard you tried to make it seem as if it is.

It isn't on Favre, but betting the season on Favre was a loser's bet. That is my point. It wasn't just this game eventhough he carries more blame than anyone other than maybe the coaching staff. Betting on Favre instead of Pennington probably cost Mangini a playoff bearth and maybe his job.

 

[Deus Irae]

It isn't on Favre, but betting the season on Favre was a loser's bet. That is my point. It wasn't just this game eventhough he carries more blame than anyone other than maybe the coaching staff. Betting on Favre instead of Pennington probably cost Mangini a playoff bearth and maybe his job.

So you never watched a Jets game last season then?

 

[IcyPatriot]

Oh. My. Freakin. Gawwwwd.

I went to have dinner with the fam, football off, and came back to this! I LOVE IT!!! A nice little holiday present from the Shehawks!

Er, so as I understand it, now we root for the Jets to beat the Fins... we... root for... we rrr... we hope for a Jets victor... I just threw up in my mouth.

PFnV

PFnVA ... you root for Favre to go out with a win ... it's like taking a Tums after a bad meal.

 

[Rob0729]

So you never watched a Jets game last season then?

The Jets had a horrible defense last season. They also had a horrible o-line last season. Both are markedly improved this season. Or are you going to give Favre sole credit for their turnaround, yet refuse to blame him for the loss today?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Why do people need to bash the player who's not at fault? Favre played poorly for most of the game, but he made an absolutely tremendous throw when the game was on the line. His line sucked, his receivers couldn't get separation, his coaches called a horrible game..... and he still would have gotten his team in great position to tie the game if Coles hadn't gas-piped on the play. People on this board act as if Favre jilted their sisters.

Actually. . . .






Just kidding. I don't have any sisters.

 

[Deus Irae]

The Jets had a horrible defense last season. They also had a horrible o-line last season. Both are markedly improved this season. Or are you going to give Favre sole credit for their turnaround, yet refuse to blame him for the loss today?

Of course, the irony of your statement is that the Jets troubles began when the Patriots exposed their defense in the second half of that game, yet you focused solely on Favre.

Favre has his team in position to win just about the amount of games I expected the Jets to win. I stated that 10 was likely and 11 was possible. Furthermore, a Jets win and a Patriots loss will put the Jets in the playoffs. Perhaps you shouldn't be counting your chickens just yet.

 

[cincipatsfan]

The Jets brought Favre in to get into the playoffs NOW! They look to fail that mission in large part because of Favre. Hence the title of my thread. Why is it not worth pointing it out.

I got slammed before the season when I said that adding Favre would not be the fabulous addition that many on this board thought. The Jets will go 9-7 and exceed by 7-9 or 8-8 expectation, but I think they may have gone farther with Pennington. One thing for sure, the Dolphins wouldn't be playing for the division right next Sunday.

Please do me a favor and point out where I said your post was not worth pointing out

Clearly I agree with you and was responding to the post I quoted and even there it was meant to be taken with a little bit of humor.....

 

[alamo]

So you never watched a Jets game last season then?

Pennington's performance in Miami suggests that QB was not their real problem, and the time invested in Favre detracted from solving their real problems.

 

[fumbrunner]

The Jets had a horrible defense last season. They also had a horrible o-line last season. Both are markedly improved this season. Or are you going to give Favre sole credit for their turnaround, yet refuse to blame him for the loss today?

Not to mention a much harder schedule last year. There is a reason why we have two 10-5 and an 9-6 team in this division this year.

 

[Deus Irae]

I thought it would be appropriate to show my earlier comment on the Jets and their win total, so as to verify that I'm not coming late to the party:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/93186-favre-ball-washing-continues.html#post953937

Patswickedpissah must be really torn about the game. If the Jets win, I'm right and the Patriots should get in the playoffs. If the Jets lose, that's just 9 wins and I'm wrong, but the Patriots would need to the Ravens to lose in order to make the playoffs.

So, PWP may well be hoping for a Ravens loss and a Dolphins win, as a 'best of both worlds' sort of thing.

 

[BradyisGod]

God, online pissing contests are really boring to read.

 

[Rob0729]

Of course, the irony of your statement is that the Jets troubles began when the Patriots exposed their defense in the second half of that game, yet you focused solely on Favre.

Favre has his team in position to win just about the amount of games I expected the Jets to win. I stated that 10 was likely and 11 was possible. Furthermore, a Jets win and a Patriots loss will put the Jets in the playoffs. Perhaps you shouldn't be counting your chickens just yet.

Favre has thrown 1 TD and 6 INTs in the last four games. How is that ironic. You don't think Pennington could have matched or surpassed that production. Favre played exactly as well as I thought he would. He won the Jets some game and lost them even more. This team would have won the division with Pennington. Favre is a huge reason why they didn't walk away with the division after the Titans game and they were 8-3.

 

[Deus Irae]

Pennington's performance in Miami suggests that QB was not their real problem, and the time invested in Favre detracted from solving their real problems.

That's one way of looking at it, although I'd suggest that it's either a misread or an incomplete read. The more likely answer, in my opinion, is one I gave earlier in the season, where I noted that the move to get Favre was a situation that benefited both teams. Miami was desperate for a quarterback, but had excellent running backs for a play action, very accurate, quarterback to play off of. The Jets needed a QB change because pulling Pennington for Clemens had undercut him permanently on that team, and because he doesn't threaten the deep part of the field, so he was not going to succeed in that offense this season either.

 

[Deus Irae]

Favre has thrown 1 TD and 6 INTs in the last four games. How is that ironic. You don't think Pennington could have matched or surpassed that production. Favre played exactly as well as I thought he would. He won the Jets some game and lost them even more. This team would have won the division with Pennington. Favre is a huge reason why they didn't walk away with the division after the Titans game and they were 8-3.

And here's where we disagree. You, perhaps, haven't been watching the Dolphins play their past few games.

 

[Rob0729]

That's one way of looking at it, although I'd suggest that it's either a misread or an incomplete read. The more likely answer, in my opinion, is one I gave earlier in the season, where I noted that the move to get Favre was a situation that benefited both teams. Miami was desperate for a quarterback, but had excellent running backs for a play action, very accurate, quarterback to play off of. The Jets needed a QB change because pulling Pennington for Clemens had undercut him permanently on that team, and because he doesn't threaten the deep part of the field, so he was not going to succeed in that offense this season either.

I still don't see how Favre benefitted the Jets. I think the Jets defensive additions were the reason of the turnaround. Kris Jenkins until he got injured in the Titans game was a beast and the Jets were one of the best run defenses in the league. Until they started to drop Pace into coverage, he was a very good pass rusher. Once the defense declined and needed Favre and the offense to step up, they couldn't except for the Pats game.

 

[Rob0729]

And here's where we disagree. You, perhaps, haven't been watching the Dolphins play their past few games.

Pennington isn't playing like Cassel is now, but he is certainly playing better than Favre and he has lesser weapons. Unlike Favre, Pennington doesn't make costly mistakes either. Favre has four more TDs and 10 more INTs than Pennington, but Favre does have that statistical anomally game with the Cardinals where he got 6 TDs (most because the defense put him in great field position with turnovers).

BTW, the Dolphins have the fewest turnovers in the league (I think) and Favre leads the league in INTs. What does that say?

 

[Deus Irae]

Pennington isn't playing like Cassel is now, but he is certainly playing better than Favre and he has lesser weapons. Unlike Favre, Pennington doesn't make costly mistakes either. Favre has four more TDs and 10 more INTs than Pennington, but Favre does have that statistical anomally game with the Cardinals where he got 6 TDs (most because the defense put him in great field position with turnovers).

BTW, the Dolphins have the fewest turnovers in the league (I think) and Favre leads the league in INTs. What does that say?

It says several things, none of which is that it's Favre's fault the Jets might not make the playoffs.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I thought it would be appropriate to show my earlier comment on the Jets and their win total, so as to verify that I'm not coming late to the party:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...-favre-ball-washing-continues.html#post953937

Patswickedpissah must be really torn about the game. If the Jets win, I'm right and the Patriots should get in the playoffs. If the Jets lose, that's just 9 wins and I'm wrong, but the Patriots would need to the Ravens to lose in order to make the playoffs.

So, PWP may well be hoping for a Ravens loss and a Dolphins win, as a 'best of both worlds' sort of thing.

Dunno.
I predicted 9 Jets Ws at best. But where I was also off was saying at the end of pre-season that we'd be 8-8 at best with Cassel at QB. Had Gaffney, Watson, Thomas, and yes Moss not developed dropsies and penchants for penalties we'd already be 12 win AFCE Champs playing for a Bye with Cassel at the helm. My bad. At least I was in the staunch minority here vocally insisting that Cassel would NOT be cut and was the #2 QB.

Jenkins et. al. improved the Jets 1st 2/3rds of the season, then fell apart, exposed by BB. Maybe the fat boy's got one more in im.

 

[Rob0729]

It says several things, none of which is that it's Favre's fault the Jets might not make the playoffs.

No his play on the field says that. Favre is not the Favre of several years ago or even last year. He has the capability of playing like an All Pro for a handful of games, but he is a mediocre QB for most the season and he is a big reason why the Jets won't get into the playoffs.