My $0.02 on the crowd

[JoeSixPat]

I'm sure those of you who claim to be able to read the minds of everyone in the NFL who know that the lack of fan respect could never serve to fire up a team will be surprised to read about how the Chief used that to spur them on to victory over the Broncos.

You'll probably have some way to spin it since you've invested quite a bit in to the absolute that negative feedback can never have a positive consequence but read for yourselves:

www.kansascity.com | 09/28/2008 | Chiefs need to repeat Sunday’s inspired effort

“He did a great job all week,” guard Brian Waters said of Herm. “He told us, ‘You ought to be fed up. You ought to be tired. No one respects you. No one expects anything from you.’”

Who do you think Herm was referring to when he said "no one respects you... no one expects anything from you" - You don't think there's the slightest chance he was referring to the fans who have been booing the very poor performances of the Chiefs?

You don't think there's even the teeniest tiniest bit of chance he was using the booing fans to help spur his team on, chiding them for their lack of passion (i.e. not giving 100%)?

Do you think it would have been helpful to Herm if the KC fans had decided to loudly and consistently cheer mediocrity and a lack of passion?

I'm sure you'll have some spin as to why Herm wasn't talking about the fans - I'm looking forward to all of your responses.

 

[Tunescribe]

The hypocrisy is right there for everyone to see. You've gone on and on about how players get no value from negative feedback - then you admit that negative feedback helped Terry Glenn.

The only difference is that fan's booing is pretty light and innocuous compared to a coach attempting to humilate a player in public - both actions, - fans booing lack of effort, and coaches criticizing lack of effort, are both negative feedback, directed towards players giving less than 100%, with the intent to spur those players on to work harder.

In many ways, tough fans with high expectations can be even MORE compelling than having a tough boss with high expectations. Coaches come and go - but the owners know who's paying the bills - and yes, here's a shocker for you - it's the fans.

As far as your assertion that you are an expert on what players in all sports think at all times, knowing exactly when players are and aren't giving 100% (even though you say you would cheer 50% effort) - well, I think I'll just let your assertion speak for itself.

There is no hypocrisy in pointing out the stark distinction between how a player responds to negative reinforcement from his head coach vs. being booed by fans.

I never claimed to know what players in all sports think at all times -- just what NFL players think about being booed by fans.

You can hold as steadfastly as you wish to your ignorant belief that fans booing players helps a team win. We get where you're coming from. Too bad, for your sake, that it has no basis in reality.

 

[JoeSixPat]

There is no hypocrisy in pointing out the stark distinction between how a player responds to negative reinforcement from his head coach vs. being booed by fans.

I never claimed to know what players in all sports think at all times -- just what NFL players think about being booed by fans.

You can hold as steadfastly as you wish to your ignorant belief that fans booing players helps a team win. We get where you're coming from. Too bad, for your sake, that it has no basis in reality.

OK - so you know what all professional players think about booing at all times - is that supposed to suggest that you really don't have an overinflated view of your own mind reading ability?

So how does Chiefs G Brian Waters comments that Herm Edwards deserves credit for the win by using the lack of respect for the Chiefs to fire up his team for a win work into your belief in your own mindreading abilities?

 

[Tunescribe]

OK - so you know what all professional players think about booing at all times - is that supposed to suggest that you really don't have an overinflated view of your own mind reading ability?

I don't need to read their minds. I've spoken to several of them personally about the subject at hand, as I've mentioned twice before.

So how does Chiefs G Brian Waters comments that Herm Edwards deserves credit for the win by using the lack of respect for the Chiefs to fire up his team for a win work into your belief in your own mindreading abilities?

I think Herm did what he had to do as a coach to prepare his team to win. I don't see what that has got to do with fans booing. The "respect" card usually refers to opponents and the national media.

 

[JoeSixPat]

I don't need to read their minds. I've spoken to several of them personally about the subject at hand, as I've mentioned twice before.

I think Herm did what he had to do as a coach to prepare his team to win. I don't see what that has got to do with fans booing. The "respect" card usually refers to opponents and the national media.

Several - not all. Thanks for clearing that up. So you DON'T know what all players think. Why do you refuse to admit that?

Herm was pretty clear - "No one respects you" - Why are you 100% sure that doesn't include the fans? Do you know what all NFL coaches think too?

You've gone to great lenghts to show that the lack of respect of the fans IS felt by players (just as a negative). Now, when Herm uses the lack of respect of EVERYBODY to light a fire under them you've determined that EXCLUDES the lack of respect of the fans.

You need to read YOUR OWN posts before answering.

And now YOU'RE saying lack of respect of the media or other players is akin to to the lack of respect of a coach - I think someone named Tunescribe would tell you its Apples and Oranges - but of course I believe that all have an impact on the players, including the feedback of fans.

And you even ACCEPT that this lack of respect of the media and other players had a positive impact to inspire the team - but just cannot bring yourself to accept the slim possibility that the lack of respect of the fans could have the same impact.

Are you really that good at self-delusion - or will you finally admit that the KC players admit they responded positively to the lack of respect shown to them for their poor performances?

 

[Gainzo]

Newsflash: Those diehard Steelers fans are booing like crazy with 2 minutes left in the 1st half tonight.

Those fans are so classless.

 

[muzz]

Holy Moly the Steeler Fans just booed their team for playing crappy...

I thought they were the best fans ever?

 

[NJPatsfan26]

Holy Moly the Steeler Fans just booed their team for playing crappy...

I thought they were the best fans ever?

Apparently ESPN was wrong.....NO WAI!! :spygate:

 

[Gainzo]

Holy Moly the Steeler Fans just booed their team for playing crappy...

I thought they were the best fans ever?

Haven't the Steelers won 5 Super Bowls with their last win in 2005? Pittsburgh fans are ungrateful douchebags.

Those fans should cheer the terrible performance of the OLine and Big Ben.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Listen and weep people. Those are fans some of which have witnessed 5 super bowl titles and yes, they are booing. Revoke their fan badge

 

[Tunescribe]

Several - not all. Thanks for clearing that up. So you DON'T know what all players think. Why do you refuse to admit that?

I never claimed to have polled all NFL players or refused to admit it. What are you smoking?

Herm was pretty clear - "No one respects you" - Why are you 100% sure that doesn't include the fans? Do you know what all NFL coaches think too?

Did Herm specify the fans, or are you just imagining again? Whenever I've heard a player pull out the "respect" card, it's always been in reference to opponents and the press. I've never heard of a team's own fans being cited in that complaint.

You've gone to great lenghts to show that the lack of respect of the fans IS felt by players (just as a negative).

No, I've said that their ignorance and stupidity is observed by the players. It doesn't motivate them, it just amazes them.

Now, when Herm uses the lack of respect of EVERYBODY to light a fire under them you've determined that EXCLUDES the lack of respect of the fans.

Why, specifically, do you assume it would include the fans? Did Herm say so? Chiefs fans are known for really supporting the team. Do you know for a fact they booed them?

You need to read YOUR OWN posts before answering.

I know what my posts say. I would recommend you read them twice before responding yourself, as you surely are putting words in my mouth and making outrageous interpretations of very clear points.

And now YOU'RE saying lack of respect of the media or other players is akin to to the lack of respect of a coach - I think someone named Tunescribe would tell you its Apples and Oranges - but of course I believe that all have an impact on the players, including the feedback of fans.

What? No, I said that when coaches/players pull the lack of respect card, they're normally referring exclusively to opponents and the media.

And you even ACCEPT that this lack of respect of the media and other players had a positive impact to inspire the team - but just cannot bring yourself to accept the slim possibility that the lack of respect of the fans could have the same impact.

No, I never made that claim. I simply acknowledged that sometimes, players and coaches pull the lack of respect card citing derision by opponents and the media. I've never, ever heard of fans being put in the same pot.

Are you really that good at self-delusion - or will you finally admit that the KC players admit they responded positively to the lack of respect shown to them for their poor performances?

If they say it did, then it did. Still waiting for you to offer some evidence this had something to do with fans booing. You better come up with something soon, because each post you make makes you look sillier than the last.

 

[Gainzo]

Hey Tune. Nice of you to completely ignore the Steelers fans booing like crazy at the end of the half.

 

[JMarr]

Hey Tune. Nice of you to completely ignore the Steelers fans booing like crazy at the end of the half.

They all have absolutely no knowledge of the game and their booing serves no constructive purpose. :snob:

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[Tunescribe]

Hey Tune. Nice of you to completely ignore the Steelers fans booing like crazy at the end of the half.

Yeah. You can tell the Steelers are performing a lot better now that the fans have taken control of the game and booed them into a more spirited performance. Pittsburgh is lucky to have fans who are so insightful to show how much they care by booing. If the booing doesn't help carry them to victory tonight, it most certainly will motivate them to win next time.

 

[JMarr]

Yeah. You can tell the Steelers are performing a lot better now that the fans have taken control of the game and booed them into a more spirited performance.

So you're saying that the booing might have demoralized them even more.

 

[Tunescribe]

So you're saying that the booing might have demoralized them even more.

Sarcasm, my friend.

 

[JMarr]

Sarcasm, my friend.

No sh*t?......see my above post

 

[Gainzo]

Yeah. You can tell the Steelers are performing a lot better now that the fans have taken control of the game and booed them into a more spirited performance. Pittsburgh is lucky to have fans who are so insightful to show how much they care by booing. If the booing doesn't help carry them to victory tonight, it most certainly will motivate them to win next time.

The Steelers just scored a TD. That doesn't matter anyway.

Pats fans were booing when we were down 21-6 at halftime. Steelers fans were booing when they were down 6-3 with 2 minutes left in the 1st half.

 

[Tunescribe]

The Steelers just scored a TD. That doesn't matter anyway.

Pats fans were booing when we were down 21-6 at halftime. Steelers fans were booing when they were down 6-3 with 2 minutes left in the 1st half.

Yeah, the Pats fans should've started booing earlier in the game. Things might have turned out much differently. :singing:

 

[Gainzo]

Those boos really affected the Steelers as they are now winning and the crowd is going bonkers.

Tune, AndyJ & Patswhatever your name is: Booing doesn't affect the team. Get it?