Jets have finally made the transition to Favre

[K-Ro 25]

I wouldn't on the Patriots. That would mean the system would have to be changed (after almost a decade of evolution and growth) and/or the playbook cut by 80%. This is not the patriots way, and it would be counter-productive IMO. Especially at the price Favre would command for 1 year.

2008 Jets definitely would prefer Favre 100%, no doubt he makes the Jets a better team in 2008.

So you would rather have a QB who can lead you to no more then 17 points a game then Favre? The pats are a win now team, Favre gives them the best option to win. Maybe im just over simplifying everything but I dont understand how you say back up caliber QB in Cassel > Favre fpr the Pats b/c of the system. Why couldnt you just change the system for one year then when Brady comes back just reimplement the previous system.

 

[Rob0729]

You kind of contradicted yourself and agreed to what my point was. Cassel has the steeper learning curve. You can know the system all you want butyou need the game experience to become better and reading and reacting. Favre is Favre, his natural abilities will make up for what he may lack in knowledge of the system.

Ummm.. I didn't contradict myself. I said they had similiar learning curves, that means one can have a harder learning curve than the other.

Also, if you agreed with me to begin with, why did you argue with me? I said that Cassel would have a longer learning curve than Favre. Except the Jets brought Favre in to win game while the Pats will be content for Cassel to be a game manager (something Favre is very uncomfortable with).

If the Pats were looking for Cassel to win games with his arm, they won't get it. But they will do everything not to put him in that position.

 

[jcdavey]

after 4 weeks, favre's the #1 qb in the nfl

that's what one monster game will do

he's leading rivers by 1.0 rating point and 2 tds

 

[K-Ro 25]

Ummm.. I didn't contradict myself. I said they had similiar learning curves, that means one can have a harder learning curve than the other.

Also, if you agreed with me to begin with, why did you argue with me? I said that Cassel would have a longer learning curve than Favre. Except the Jets brought Favre in to win game while the Pats will be content for Cassel to be a game manager (something Favre is very uncomfortable with).

If the Pats were looking for Cassel to win games with his arm, they won't get it. But they will do everything not to put him in that position.

My mistake, Im just going to walk away slowly and quiet for misunderstanding what you were saying

 

[emoney_33]

So you would rather have a QB who can lead you to no more then 17 points a game then Favre? The pats are a win now team, Favre gives them the best option to win. Maybe im just over simplifying everything but I dont understand how you say back up caliber QB in Cassel > Favre b/c of the system. Why couldnt you just change the system for one year then when Brady comes back just reimplement the previous system.

Considering Cassel led the Pats to 19 points against the Jets I don't know where you get 17 from. Also considering Cassel, along with the Patriots' offense as a whole, has a lot of room for improvement I don't know how you can say Cassel is only capable of 17 a game. That's just wishful thinking on your part.

The patriots are built on all 45 active players doing their job, and limiting mistakes. Sure you have to be aggressive but Favre is NOT the type of QB nor player that fits the Patriots system.

It is also extremely ignorant of you to say that the Patriots are built to win now. Actually it is quite laughable knowing that it is simply wishful thinking from a Jets fan. The Patriots have been consistent with their mission statement to remain competitive now and in the future. There is no reason to believe that will not continue past this year.

 

[Rob0729]

Favre 08 is better than Cassel 08.

I'll take Favre over Cassel any given day even though he is the king of INT. Who cares? Do you honestly believe that Favre won't be the kind of INT if he doesn't throw any INT?

For the Patriots, I would have Cassel. Unless the Pats were able to scrap their offense and install Green Bay's offense, I think Favre would be totally lost with the Pats' offense. The Pats offense requires a lot more presnap reads than the Jets' offense and Favre has been struggling with that offense.

Favre is clearly the better QB, but not every QB fits into every system. Favre is a gunslinger who likes to improvise and the Pats offense is all about everyone knowing their roles and executing those roles. I wouldn't want Brady as my QB if I ran an offense that required the QB to a lot of roll outs and scrambling to set up plays.

If I could have Favre in a tailored made offense to suit his skills vs. Cassel in an offense that suited his skills, I would pick Favre every day at this point eventhough I think he is vastly overrated. For the Pats offense, I think I would stick with Cassel though.

 

[K-Ro 25]

Considering Cassel led the Pats to 19 points against the Jets I don't know where you get 17 from. Also considering Cassel, along with the Patriots' offense as a whole, has a lot of room for improvement I don't know how you can say Cassel is only capable of 17 a game. That's just wishful thinking on your part.

The patriots are built on all 45 active players doing their job, and limiting mistakes. Sure you have to be aggressive but Favre is NOT the type of QB nor player that fits the Patriots system.

It is also extremely ignorant of you to say that the Patriots are built to win now. Actually it is quite laughable knowing that it is simply wishful thinking from a Jets fan. The Patriots have been consistent with their mission statement to remain competitive now and in the future. There is no reason to believe that will not continue past this year.

Me saying they are a win now team has nothing to do with them being old. The fact is they are built to win a super bowl, thats not even a knock thats a compliment. Cassel scored 19 against the Jets when his average field position was the Pats 40 yard line. The kid has looked below average thus far. I dont understand how you take him over anyone b/c he knows the system and the other QB style may not be a carbon copy of the system you run. You said Cassel has room for improvement but I would ask you, how does he not have room for improvement?

 

[emoney_33]

Me saying they are a win now team has nothing to do with them being old. The fact is they are built to win a super bowl, thats not even a knock thats a compliment. Cassel scored 19 against the Jets when his average field position was the Pats 40 yard line. The kid has looked below average thus far. I dont understand how you take him over anyone b/c he knows the system and the other QB style may not be a carbon copy of the system you run. You said Cassel has room for improvement but I would ask you, how does he not have room for improvement?

He has not played poorly at all thus far, and has done what was asked of him. The patriots way is everyone doing their job, which Cassel has done fairly well so far given what they seemingly ask of him. It would be foolish to change the entire system for one year just to take advantage of Favre's gunslinging style. It would be counterproductive and probably drive BB mad. Yea fine you'll have those days where he goes crazy, but you'll have those days where he puts the defense in bad position throwing foolish passes, forcing things.

Favre just doesn't fit the Pats system and the Pats are not changing the system for any ONE player... ever.

 

[K-Ro 25]

He has not played poorly at all thus far, and has done what was asked of him. The patriots way is everyone doing their job, which Cassel has done fairly well so far given what they seemingly ask of him. It would be foolish to change the entire system for one year just to take advantage of Favre's gunslinging style. It would be counterproductive and probably drive BB mad. Yea fine you'll have those days where he goes crazy, but you'll have those days where he puts the defense in bad position throwing foolish passes, forcing things.

Favre just doesn't fit the Pats system and the Pats are not changing the system for any ONE player... ever.

fair enough, I disagree but I definitely see your point of view.

 

[emoney_33]

fair enough, I disagree but I definitely see your point of view.

And I'm not saying that I am 100% correct on this. It could turn out that Cassel's ceiling is pretty damn low and a Favre type of gunslinger would have indeed been better for the 2008 Pats even with 20-30% of the playbook at first. HOPEFULLY that's not the case at the end of the year though, well hopefully for us Pats fans.

 

[K-Ro 25]

And I'm not saying that I am 100% correct on this. It could turn out that Cassel's ceiling is pretty damn low and a Favre type of gunslinger would have indeed been better for the 2008 Pats even with 20-30% of the playbook at first. HOPEFULLY that's not the case at the end of the year though, well hopefully for us Pats fans.

not being sarcastic but my simple mind sees one year essentially go to waste b/c of Cassel. The Pats could still make the playoffs and compete especially in a weak AFC this year but this Pats team is a super bowl team. Thats just something thats hard to sacrifice in my mind.

 

[Frezo]

This offense already is changing. It has to. There is no more Brady to sling it deep to Moss, check down consistently to open receivers in the middle, master 4th quarter come backs, and probably most importantly read and react to defensive alignments. Right now Cassel is none of this and his job description is not to lose games unlike Brady who could put the team on his back and win them. This is a major adjustment for the rest of the team. Knowing the play book is certainly helpful, but consistent execution with improvisation against smart scheming defensives is sorely lacking. Cassel may well come around, but while he is adjusting, the team has to cover his butt and play with a mindset different from the Brady years and they may have to accept this approach for the rest of the season. It seems to me that adjustments in the play book are necessary to hide the inadequacies at the QB position.

 

[emoney_33]

not being sarcastic but my simple mind sees one year essentially go to waste b/c of Cassel. The Pats could still make the playoffs and compete especially in a weak AFC this year but this Pats team is a super bowl team. Thats just something thats hard to sacrifice in my mind.

Tell that to Mr. knee-hunter Bernard Pollard. ***@$#*&#*($ piece of ****!

 

[Rob0729]

This offense already is changing. It has to. There is no more Brady to sling it deep to Moss, check down consistently to open receivers in the middle, master 4th quarter come backs, and probably most importantly read and react to defensive alignments. Right now Cassel is none of this and his job description is not to lose games unlike Brady who could put the team on his back and win them. This is a major adjustment for the rest of the team. Knowing the play book is certainly helpful, but consistent execution with improvisation against smart scheming defensives is sorely lacking. Cassel may well come around, but while he is adjusting, the team has to cover his butt and play with a mindset different from the Brady years and they may have to accept this approach for the rest of the season. It seems to me that adjustments in the play book are necessary to hide the inadequacies at the QB position.

The offense hasn't changed at all. It is the same exact playbook as it was under Brady. The play selection has changed, but that is it.

 

[SeymourTrophies]

and as long as all of the opposing db's stay 20 yards away from their receivers..........

Brett will have trouble passing to coles and cotchery against oakland. Asomugha is the best CB in the league. That's not to say Thomas Jones won't run for 200 yards that game.

 

[JoePats]

The offense hasn't changed at all. It is the same exact playbook as it was under Brady. The play selection has changed, but that is it.

This is akin to saying the plays that aren't called carry the same weight as the plays that are called. That doesn't make any sense to me.

That said, part of the play selection is Cassel, but a smaller, but significant part is the offensive line hasn't been able to block long enough to give the receivers enough time to get down the field in the first place.

 

[Rob0729]

This is akin to saying the plays that aren't called carry the same weight as the plays that are called. That doesn't make any sense to me.

That said, part of the play selection is Cassel, but a smaller, but significant part is the offensive line hasn't been able to block long enough to give the receivers enough time to get down the field in the first place.

My point is the information of the offense hasn't changed. The playbook is exactly the same. They have stripped down the playbook to accomodate Cassel, but there aren't new plays implemented or rewritten to suit Cassel. As Cassel gets more comfortable with the offense, the plays that they aren't calling now that they did with Brady will slowly be added back to the gameplan.

 

[Spudsy]

They ahve made the transition but we should capitalize on his turnovers.

 

[K-Ro 25]

Brett will have trouble passing to coles and cotchery against oakland. Asomugha is the best CB in the league. That's not to say Thomas Jones won't run for 200 yards that game.

Too bad Jones is garbage

 

[GuyClinch]

At his best, Cassel is not as good as Favre...but at baseline, most Pats fans would take Cassel over Favre.

Wow. I didn't know most Pats fans are idiots. I think your wrong - and they are not. Favre would throw more touchdowns to Moss alone then Cassell will rack up all season.

That pats can adapt their 'system' to an all world QB...come on now. Favre been playing this game for a ton of years. You don't think he could pick up our system? <g>