We NEED Jeff Garcia

[MoLewisrocks]

I'm not going to go as far as Wendel and predict that we go 3-10 the rest of the way with Cassel and I won't blame him for today's loss (defense was a joke), but I do agree that Jeff Garcia would be a great acquisition and probably a huge upgrade.

Trade for him now, give him a for weeks to learn the system, if Cassel plays well and leads the team to victories, Garcia is just the backup until Cassel gives Belichick reason to make the change. It can't hurt to get a solid vet QB for either insurance if Cassel is better than I think he is or if Cassel isn't good enough to give this team a chance vs. contenders; Jeff Garcia has proven he is.

That would explain why Gruden has already benched him in Tampa where he had two years in their system and a lifetime in West Coast offenses...

Amazing to see that the score in the Dallas/GB game is 3-3 at the half. Can't either of those teams get a QB who can move an offense... they should trade for Garcia...

 

[Deus Irae]

Also fair. Garcia has excelled in two different systems in the last four or so years and O'Connell is just pure optimism based on the fact that we haven't seen much from him. I think a lot of us are just frustrated because we have such a talented wideout corps and it's tempting to think that anyone can throw to them.

No, you're frustrated because you can't accept that the Patriots are just another football team, that will lose games and play badly on occasion. You're also ignorant of the game, so you all pin the blame on the quarterback, even though he's not to blame for the loss. The same thing happens here game after game, whether it's Maroney who can't run, or Hobbs who can't defend, or whomever is the whipping boy du jour.

Football is like basketball, in that it is very, very rare that a win or loss is due solely to the success or failure of one player. Today, the Patriots defense had perhaps its worst outing in years, yet all you people can do is piss and moan about a quarterback making his second start, and doing so behind an offensive line that was horrible.

Reasonable criticism has, sadly, gone by the wayside for all you Chicken Littles.

 

[CheerforTom]

No, you're frustrated because you can't accept that the Patriots are just another football team, that will lose games and play badly on occasion. You're also ignorant of the game, so you all pin the blame on the quarterback, even though he's not to blame for the loss. The same thing happens here game after game, whether it's Maroney who can't run, or Hobbs who can't defend, or whomever is the whipping boy du jour.

Reasonable criticism has, sadly, gone by the wayside for all you Chicken Littles.

Gee, I wonder where I got the idea that people unfairly push aside criticism on this board.

Thanks for letting me know how ignorant of the game I am, and also of my exact thoughts as to why the Pats lost. I'll give you my e-mail so I can get them from you every week.

 

[Deus Irae]

Amazing to see that the score in the Dallas/GB game is 3-3 at the half. Can't either of those teams get a QB who can move an offense... they should trade for Garcia...

Romo and Rodgers must be the 2 worst quarterbacks in the league....

 

[ropese]

Damon Huard would be a better fit as he has experience with our offense. Not sure what it would take to get him from KC...

 

[Wendel]

No, you're frustrated because you can't accept that the Patriots are just another football team, that will lose games and play badly on occasion. You're also ignorant of the game, so you all pin the blame on the quarterback, even though he's not to blame for the loss. The same thing happens here game after game, whether it's Maroney who can't run, or Hobbs who can't defend, or whomever is the whipping boy du jour.

Football is like basketball, in that it is very, very rare that a win or loss is due solely to the success or failure of one player. Today, the Patriots defense had perhaps its worst outing in years, yet all you people can do is piss and moan about a quarterback making his second start, and doing so behind an offensive line that was horrible.

Reasonable criticism has, sadly, gone by the wayside for all you Chicken Littles.

Ok so I put my record prediction down, what's yours? Step up and make a prediction at least instead of just shooting down others.

 

[Deus Irae]

Gee, I wonder where I got the idea that people unfairly push aside criticism on this board.

Thanks for letting me know how ignorant of the game I am, and also of my exact thoughts as to why the Pats lost. I'll give you my e-mail so I can get them from you every week.

Try reasonable criticism instead of the nonsense you're posting, and I not only won't "unfairly push aside criticism", I'll likely agree with you.

 

[CheerforTom]

Try reasonable criticism instead of the nonsense you're posting, and I not only won't "unfairly push aside criticism", I'll likely agree with you.

What am I posting? Are you even reading it?

I'm suggesting Cassel is very mediocre and is having a lot of trouble moving the ball against even a bad defense. I'm saying it isn't the end of the world to discuss other options because of the fact that this game proved our defense isn't going to win every game for us while Cassel doesn't make any mistakes.

What part of that is Chicken Little nonsense?

 

[Rocky]

Fans are allowed to be emotional after a horrible game. That's why we come to this site. Leave it to the coaches and front office to make decisions without figuring in the emotion. I think the point is not that Cassel lost the game, but he was certainly one of the key contributors. He was put in some pretty decent situations today (ball at 50 yard line etc) and was not able to make any plays. And in the end, BB always says that it comes down to making plays. And no, he does not play defense, and I agree that the defense was awful today.

However, Cassel has not given us much to be confident about so far. He had a bad preseason. Many felt he should be cut. He played decently last game. This team is going to need a QB who can makes plays every now and then. Maybe that person will end up being Cassel. But, you certainly cannot blame someone for wanting a Garcia trade. Garcia is a proven, solid QB in this league. Cassel is far from it and he made some absolutely terrible throws today. Trading for Garcia should be an option they are at least looking at. I don't see how the idea is so ridiculous.

 

[LoganMankinsPancakeBlocks]

That would explain why Gruden has already benched him in Tampa where he had two years in their system and a lifetime in West Coast offenses...

Amazing to see that the score in the Dallas/GB game is 3-3 at the half. Can't either of those teams get a QB who can move an offense... they should trade for Garcia...

There's reports that egos are playing a big role in why Garcia is benched. Even if that's not the reason, I don't see how Gruden benching him proves he isn't a very good QB. He's the same guy that went to the Pro Bowl last year and made the playoffs in back to back years with teams far less talented than this years Patriots.

It's not really close to halftime in the GB/DAL game and it's 6-3 GB, not 3-3 at the half. I also don't think Aaron Rodgers and Tony Romo are all that comparable to Matt Cassel. Matt Cassel has not played anywhere near the level those 2 have and their offenses are putting up far more points than Cassel's Patriots despite similar supporting casts.

 

[Wendel]

Amazing to see that the score in the Dallas/GB game is 3-3 at the half. Can't either of those teams get a QB who can move an offense... they should trade for Garcia...

Yeah because Romo playing against the Green Bay defense and Rodgers playing against the Dallas defense is completely equivalent to Cassel playing against the Miami Dolphins defense.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Try reasonable criticism instead of the nonsense you're posting, and I not only won't "unfairly push aside criticism", I'll likely agree with you.

Remember back in the good old days when all these clowns were in middle school or rooting for some other loser team and Brady and Belichick could only lead a Superbowl team to 9-7. Remember how some so called fans and media were gleefully predicting their contention that the wrong QB was traded and BB was just the beneficiary of dumb luck who, along with his 6th round dink and dunk QB, the league was catching up to?

As I recall there were lots of things wrong with that team only the QB and the HC weren't among 'em...

 

[CheerforTom]

Remember back in the good old days when all these clowns were in middle school or rooting for some other loser team and Brady and Belichick could only lead a Superbowl team to 9-7. Remember how some so called fans and media were gleefully predicting their contention that the wrong QB was traded and BB was just the beneficiary of dumb luck who, along with his 6th round dink and dunk QB, the league was catching up to?

As I recall there were lots of things wrong with that team only the QB and the HC weren't among 'em...

Right, we all look up to you guys as true fans of the New England Patriots.

All we're doing is trying to discuss. I keep forgetting that, as real Patriots fans, it's your job to let us know what's what with the team. Thanks guys!

 

[Deus Irae]

What am I posting? Are you even reading it?

I'm suggesting Cassel is very mediocre...

I don't know of a single person who thinks he's anything more than that right now.

...and is having a lot of trouble moving the ball against even a bad defense...

This is simply not accurate or fair. He's moved the ball well enough to win 2 out of 3 games, despite these being his first 'serious' appearances since high school. He is doing what the coaching staff wants him to do. Instead of laying the blame at the feet of the quarterback, try asking the questions that really need to be asked:

1.) What's wrong with the o-line, and how can it be fixed?

2.) Why aren't the playmakers making plays?

3.) Can any tight end on this team make a !#@$!# block?

I'm saying it isn't the end of the world to discuss other options because of the fact that this game proved our defense isn't going to win every game for us while Cassel doesn't make any mistakes.

Again, if you have reasonable criticisms, I'll be in agreement with some of them. It's clear that Cassel's throws don't end up where Brady's throws would, for example, whether because of accuracy or timing. It also seems to me that Cassel takes longer to read defenses, and only goes through 2 reads before the pass rush is upon him, while Brady would already have been able to make 4 reads in that time.

However, let's point out some issues that involve Cassel, but aren't his issues.....

Where the hell are the rolling pockets?

Where are the plays involving backs slipping out of the backfield after pretending to stay in and block?

Where are the screens to Maroney (when he's in the game)?

WTF is wrong with this O-line?

Is Moss hurt or just pouting because Brady went down?

Is Gaffney struggling to get separation?

etc...

What part of that is Chicken Little nonsense?

2 starts, 3 games, a 2-1 record...

 

[STFarmy]

Deus, stop blaming the whole team for everything that is clearly Cassel's fault. Don't you know it's easier to yell about signing Garcia and getting rid of Cassel than it is to rationally analyze all of the problems plaguing the team? It's simplistic just to yell "Cassel sucks," you don't have to think. You should try it.

 

[CheerforTom]

This is simply not accurate or fair. He's moved the ball well enough to win 2 out of 3 games, despite these being his first 'serious' appearances since high school. He is doing what the coaching staff wants him to do. Instead of laying the blame at the feet of the quarterback, try asking the questions that really need to be asked:

1.) What's wrong with the o-line, and how can it be fixed?

2.) Why aren't the playmakers making plays?

3.) Can any tight end on this team make a !#@$!# block?

1) By making Nick Kaczur join the DEA full time. Seriously, you're right that the line has let him down a lot. I've been curious how we'd be doing so far if Brady was in, there have been a couple sacks that didn't even give Cassel a chance.

2) Well, do you mean why aren't the receivers getting open? Because honestly, Cassel isn't doing them many favours with the balls he's throwing. Welker has done well with what he's been given.

3) That's what happens when you cut Kyle Brady and don't replace him properly.

I know you're a big proponent of the idea that the O-line is the biggest problem, but the simple fact is there were a number of times where Cassel had little to no pressure and still made bad throws to open receivers. This is a fact, it isn't arguable. It also isn't something we have to just accept without discussing other possibilities.

Again, if you have reasonable criticisms, I'll be in agreement with some of them.

Right, because nothing I've said is reasonable at all since I have suggestions other than what BB has done. Some of you guys act like everything he does is completely beyond reproach or infallible.

 

[marcus]

The whole team sucked today...true

BUT the quarterback sets the tone. Be honest, if you were on that team how much confidence would you have if you are down by 8 points with MC as the leader.

At least a Jeff Garcia has been there and done that.


Playbook or no playback to learn...you can't say that Jeff Garcia does not know how to read defenses better than MC.

 

[Lifer]

The Defense lost this game today not the QB.

 

[D-Money]

I cant believe the amount of fan boys that Cassel has.The guy is an average QB.To be honest, i expect BB to be hard headed and stick with Cassel and it will blow in his face.

I guess this team will be depending on the defense to get the neccesary stops to win games.That wont work.They need to put up points and with Cassel, they will hardly do that.

 

[BradyToMoss]

Re: We NEED Jeff Garcia.

Yeah, and I didn't see Cassel lined up anywhere in the front seven. Your point?

Hey Homer, news flash for you:

Yes the defense su#cked...........BUT ALSO

Matt Cassel also su#cked.......you can say it. You don't have to be a total homer, Matt Cassel was brutal today, just brutal. I am all for bringing Jeff Garcia in to save this season OR beginning the Kevin O'Connell development era.........But don't worry because Matty Deer in the Headlights is going to play himself on to the bench as bad as you don't want that to happen.