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Why am i supposed to believe that Tony Dungy is a good person?

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  1. Keegs

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    I don't understand why i am supposed to believe that he is a good guy.

    Why is he a good guy?

    I'll even throw out all the stuff that makes him look like a jerk.
    there.
    its gone.
    now explain.

    Why is he such a great guy? Just because he's religious?
    A lot of people are religious.
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    It's generally the overly religious you have to worry about...

    But good point. I haven't ever heard anything that would suggest that he is a better person than BB or anyone. All I have ever heard is that he is nice to the media, he is religious, he tries to have a good image (IMAGE, not his actual personality), and his players like him. REALLY!!! His players like him!! WOW. What a great guy. His players love him. Well, didn't Belichecks players love him so much they embraced him after the spygate crap?

    I know religious people, like the Muslim Fundamental Terrorists, or that church in the south that pickets at dead American Soldiers burials saying that god is striking down the gays, etc. Sounds like nice people, huh.
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    You should read his book, seriously. I think a lot of opinions on this board would sincerely be changed if people even took the time to read even a few chapters of his book
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  4. Keegs

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    i'm waiting for answers.

    All i hear about is how fantastic this guy is. it should be incredibly easy to tell me why he's such a good guy.

    so let's hear it.
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    Who cares he is just a football coach.
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    That he wrote...
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    As tragic of an event as it was, people seem to forget that his son (who took his own life) clearly was not brought up well. He was obsessed with guns, violence, black supremacy, etc. Whatver reason for this, I don't know, but after Dungy went through this ordeal I think he has been respected more.
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    Right after you all read 'The Education of a Coach'.
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    nobody should have to suffer through that.

    But that doesn't tell me why he's such a good person.
    A lot of people have terrible things happen to them and move on to live successful lives.

    But why is he such a good person?
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    Millions of people believe in good family values. That's not good enough for him to be receiving the credit he gets. Thanks though.

    So anybody else have anything?
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    Keegs we honestly don't know. Maybe he is a secret child molester. Odds of that being the case aren't high though IMO.
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    From, someone who went went to highschool school with James, and had a couple of classes with him before he passed away, please don't make uninformed comments on something you obviously know nothing about

    Once a kid (or I should say adult) goes away to college, especially with their parents so far away (Indiana/Florida) that kid is officially on their own. They make their own decisions and their own choices. From what I knew of him he was a bit of a class clown, always making jokes, but he was always smiling and always upbeat

    people wonder why I have been on here today defending Dungy so hard, but when I see the several moronic, hateful, and just ignorant comments about the death of someone I knew, and just plain DUMB rationalizations about a situation many people know NOTHING about just pisses me off. Your parents can raise you however they want but a decision to end one's life definitely does not mean he wasn't brought up well. Dungy has 5 other children alive and doing well, but I don't even know why I continue too argue with posters who show they have no idea what they're talking about before they complete their first sentence. Thats before even mentioning how big of a fan of the colts I am

    You don't know what the person was going through to make them take their own lives, you probably couldn't imagine, so playing Dr Phil and making stupid comments like it must be the parenting is just plain DUMB. IDIOTIC even
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    I sort of think he was taking a dig at Dungy here ... you know, that he's such a good guy that he will tell other people who live a lifestyle that he doesn't condone what they can and cannot do.

    I believe the word for that is didactic.
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    you should have no problem answering my question if you know so much.

    Please tell me why i am supposed to believe that Tony Dungy is a great person.
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    Disable Jersey

    Why is this crap being allowed on the football forum?
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    Media blitz?
    Is that the answer you've been waiting for?

    Dungy is Dungy and BB is BB. The media can choose to portray them however they wish. Not much we can do about that.

    Given that, I'll take BB any day.
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    I gave you a pretty concrete answer, read his book and you can make your own conclusions, it's a pretty open and honest story of a journey through his life and many of the events have taken place.

    Nobody has to prove to you Dungys a good person. His walk and attitude have proved that over and over again, and the fact that some people will dig so hard to find anything to use against him proves this as well
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    Ok so your answer is nothing?

    After reading my posts do you honestly think im going to open that guy's book? are you kidding me? (and yes, i know that you know that)

    you read it, so you tell me why. There has to be a good reason for him to be getting all this credit.
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    You mean the one called Quiet Strength. I think I heard him talking about it on the radio. No maybe it was on tv. No I think it was at a book signing.

    Spare me with his BS. He is all about portraying an image.
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    I would say he is perceived as such a nice guy simply because of his demeanor. He's never a guy that raises his voice, shows extreme emotion or even comes off as a jerk for that matter. I don't know if you've seen it but in the Colts edition of America's Game, he describes the first meeting he had with his team after being hired by the Colts. The entire room was full of chatter when Dungy walked to the front of the room, Dungy just waited for it to quite down by simply patiently watching his new team. Once everyone realized who he was, they shut up and were all ears. Peyton Manning said it was the most impressive first impression he had ever had of any one.

    So what I would tell you in conclusion is to just listen to what his peers say about him. None of his former coaches underneath him ever have anything besides the best to say about him.
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    The bottom line is there's no reason. The people who believe it can't even give a reason, they're just conditioned to believe it. Just like people who think Belichick is evil.

    Some people just believe whatever the media feeds them. That's why society is such a disaster right now, in general.
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    I think you are missing the point here.
    He isn't digging to find something against him, he is asking you to say why he is a great person. Just an example or 2 would suffice.

    See, if you asked the question about Belichick, I could give a few reasons:

    1) Jim Brown says Belichick has been in meetings with gang members and gone to prisons to counsel young people with him.
    2) When the Panthers became a franchise, BB had a connection with an executive there, and bought season tickets to help them get the franchise off the ground.
    3) When Scott Pioli was in college, he was driving to training camp. BB spotted him, started a conversation, and let him use his office to sleep in so he wouldn't have to drive.
    4) Eric Mangini was a football player at BBs alma mater. BB saw potential in Mangini as a coach, and arranged for him to get his first job as an assistant at Wesleyan, then brought him to the NFL.

    see off the top of my head there are 4 examples of BB being a good guy. I don't see any examples listed to explain why Dungy is.
    Thats all Keegs is asking. If he is a great guy, please give us some examples of why he is.
    Seems simple to me.
    Saying 'read his book' is avoiding the question. If you have, and can give examples, you should do so.
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    Ditto for those fans and mediots from elsewhere who rip BB without knowing a single thing about him beyond what they see on Sundays. I get a kick out of simpletons who think BB really is as simple as he appears. There's plenty of material out there...Patriot Reign, the Education of a Coach, not to mention what's available on the internet.
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    I don't think that's a proper comparison, but we'll leave that out of this thread.

    As for the media feeding us a bunch of BS, I couldn't agree more. ESPN is the biggest joke of all media outlets. It's also annoying that ESPN only talks about Sox/Yanks, Pats/Colts, and Kobe/Lakers.
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    Didn't he hire him as a ball boy at age 25 or something like that?
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    Thank you Aqua, but its not like this has already been repeated a MILLION times.

    In a NFL world of drug dealers, accused murderers, cheaters, Drug Attics and abusers, in a sport that is based off of violence, yelling your *** off and embarassing yourself and players, gys making it rain in the club and beating up strippers, and winning at all costs, Dungy is simply himself. he has always been how he is now (since being a coach) so people cannot say he is a hypocrite, he is grounded in his faith and sticks by it and his beliefs at ALL times (including the death of his son) which is admirable no matter what religion you follow. he is in a position where many people including a entire race are looking up to him as a role model, and he has never given anyone real ammo to say hes not just that. he is soft spoken, he doesn't yell, he doesnt get hot headed, yet he makes his point just as well if not better than any coach in the league. He is heavy into the community and contrary to popular belief at this board he doesn't flaunt anything. He is the FIRST man to win a SB as a player and a coach, the first black coach to win a SB, and has one of the best win percentages of all time. he is a lock for the HOF, yet he carries himself incredibly humble for someone has influential as he is.

    I challenge you all to find one player or coach who has ANYTHING bad to say about him?? Common I double dare you? now tell me how many other coaches can you say the same for in the NFL? he is a great role model and I hope to someday have the peace and calm that he says he has in his life right now, I hope to be a man who can put my faith first at all times, and I hope to be somebody that can be looked on the way he is.

    Is that enough for you yet????
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    Claiming to know what someone is like based on their public persona is ridiculous. None of us know what any of these guys are really like when they're off the clock. Period. It's pointless to even discuss it.
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    Maybe somebody should define what "good" is because that argument has never been settled.

    Tony Dungy is "good" (if the term applies) because he doesn't make an ass of himself and shoot his mouth off, and he has the respect of the people that he manages. He has the respect of his peers. He shows a lot of leadership and qualities of that people respect and admire, and those are the people that are around him, not fans who are out to convince us that he's Jesus Christ.

    He's a freaking NFL coach. How "good" does he have to be?

    Athletes shouldn't get into the business of being Jesus Christ but a lot of them seem to want to do that. Oh, I know, I know, they don't claim that, they only claim to be "furthering the cause", but even that is a pathetic thing to do with your high profile.

    But to understand why they are driven to do that you have to understand the mind of the truly religious and pious. It's no place I want to hang out. It's not impressive to me. If the guy is respected by his players and peers, that impresses me. You don't get that by singing praises to the lordy.
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    You know what, I don't have anything against Dungy but I am sick and tired of the media shoving him down my throat. Just because of that I am sick of the guy and inclined to dislike him.

    My experience is that whenever the media tells me how great a guy is, chances are he's probably an azzhole (LT is a perfect example).
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