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  1. Pats726

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    I am really confused as to what the issues are here and WHAT principle he is standing steadfast on.
    He was one who I thought that the Pats should draft that year..thought more 2nd 3rd than a 1st, but I thought he would be a great fit and HE WAS. But now, given this situation..I am having a HARD time understanding what his beef is with the team.
    I've heard his words regarding this from the past..heard a VERY GOOD scenario on D&C...and
    I am still confused as to WHAT principle he is standing up on.
    It's mentioned that he was underpaid rookie contract and that happens..it's NOT like he's the only one. There is a mention about going to Kraft and being told it qill be taken care of after the uncapped year.....I think he misspoke and really meant THIS year, but the offer that the Patriots gave him was nothing at all to sneeze at...35 million over 5 years?? I think to any lineman THIS is a solid offer and would take it in an instant. Instead, Mankins turned up his njose and sat on his fanny...claiming principle.
    What the heck is HIS principle that he's sitting out??? Kraft lied to him? How why?? Is taking 7 mil a year an insult?? Is THAT offer being treated poorly?? (I think all would NOT see this as the case at ALL...Logan time to get off the high horse and get your head out of your backside..) I have tried to see WHAT OTHER principle he's standing tall on..other than simple GREED..OR GREEDIER than anyone SHOULD be. Not sure there's ANY answer..really. EVEN in what he said..that Kraft told him he's be taken care of...and THAT offer is REASONABLE and fair and nothing short of that. If Mr Mankins is making a stink that he's not the TOP lineman paid..then he can take himself back to the ranch and play with the steers and STAY there. No coming back to NE or anywhere..Frankly I doubt Kraft promised him the HIGHEST contract.
    So what else is there?? WHAT other reason?? I feel like his agent has not helped him and I really think he's in some kind of dream world..In bad economic times, being greedy like this is quite silly and dumb..and shows LITTLE character...BUT he may have painted himself into a corner..NOT playing this year and..if there's a lockout next, it will be 2 years NO money NO playing..and that value will GO WAY DOWN...
    But what are the high and mighty principles he is playing out??? If it's greed..then he's a selfish SOB and should be gone... What OTHER real reasons are there?? Soiled athlete is something that is thrown around a LOt..maybe his picture should be there.
    But I have also wracked my brains to see what/if and tried to see other angles on this..but have come up totally empty. I hear rumblings of "principle" BUT given what I have heard in audio from the past..it seems the ONLY principle is pure greed. I would like to believe it is more than that, BUT???? No idea what it would be.
     
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    Trade him for Albert Haynsworth, or an edge pass rusher. Guards are overrated as is.
     
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    I genuinely believe that he just didn't like the structure of the deal with my assumption being that the guraranteed $$ is either spread out or structured in a way that he feels is not consistient to what other players in the league are receiving.

    Everything else is just rhetoric (agent, Mankins, etc).

    My .02$
     
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    Albert Haynesworth?

    Seriously?

    No, I mean seriously?
     
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    The Patriots would put Buddy Farnham there before they traded for Haynesworth.
     
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    Could have used a bit more of that.....
     
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    The homers amaze me. 35 million over 5 years is something to sneeze at. Evans and Mangold just got over 50 million dollars. If you are a big time player in this league, anything less than 40 million dollars for your first deal after playing out your rookie deal is ludicrous.
     
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    I'd consider it, yes. If the Pats struggle to stop the run, and the loss of Warren proves significant, then it should be considered. I think he's owed short money over the next 2 years, before bonuses kick in. I'm not saying to do it, as much as I'm saying I'd consider it. Guards are overrated, and as much as I'd take a draft pick for Mankins if he doesn't resign, I'd much prefer an established player, preferably a front 7 guy on D. This team has enough picks and young players to work in as is. Brady isn't getting any younger, and I would prefer a move that helps them compete right now.
     
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    Has nothing to do with homerism IMO. It comes down to value the player and the position has to the org.

    Simply put, the Pats don't think LM is Tier 1 value like they do Brady, Moss, Wilfork, Seymour (2006) or worth $40-$50m guaranteed.
     
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    I wonder if one of you who has the ability to set up a poll would do so.

    What I would really like to know is what percentage of the people who are following the Mankins contract situation think that they have reasonably certain knowledge about what Mankins was offered by the Patriots.

    I would also like to know what percentage of the people who are following the Mankins contract situation think that they have reasonably certain knowledge about what Mankins thinks that Kraft promised him.

    Obviously the questions can be phrased in many different ways. I would be very interested in the results.
     
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    Probably because he didn't perform at a Tier 1 level in the biggest game of his career, unlike Jahri Evans.
     
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    You think that the Patriots are stupid enough to downgrade Mankins over a game 3 years ago?
     
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    Thats a good question. I'd like to think that 5/35 is pretty close to the mark. Kraft is very sensitive to the "Pats don't spend /c they are cheap" flap and I think, leaked to the media the team's proposal to LM.

    As we've discussed, the actual terms and struture is an unknown (at least to me)
     
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    The OP is saying mankins should not be upset at 35million over 5 yrs. The patriots can put whatever value they want on a position, the player should also be able to put whatever value he wants on himself. An all-pro OL who played out his rookie contract is worth Evans/Mangold type contract.

    That is the principle mankins is standing on.
     
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    I don't think the Pat's personnel dept would weigh a single game so heavily on it's overall eval of a player.
     
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    Your right, how silly of me to assume that they would evaluate him based on in-game performance. I hear that he did well in the swimsuit competition.
     
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    Understood. And the Pats' principal (right or wrong) is that for whatever method of measurement (market, LM's value to team, positional value to team), LM is not worth the dollars that he is seeking.
     
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    Logan, you might be right, but you've made yourself look like a jackass. Git.
     
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    It's just my opinion. Not being an NFL player, coach or scout, I probably don't understand everything that goes into the evaluation of a player, but the way I see it is that an elite guard would not have a bad game when faced with an elite DL. It wasn't about it being one game, it's that he was over-matched in that game by elite talent. Maybe he was hurt?
     
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    Again, you think the team is stupid enough to downgrade Mankins over ONE SINGLE GAME that took place 3 years ago?
     
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