Schefter: Cassel (and Vrabel) to Chiefs for 2009 2nd-rounder [merged]

[T-ShirtDynasty]

Re: Adam Sch. reports : Matt Cassel to Chiefs ! [merged]

Can't be.. that's a horrible deal

 

[Fixit]

Re: Adam Sch. reports : Matt Cassel to Chiefs ! [merged]

Freed up $14M plus whatever Vrabel is making for a pick two slots out of the first round, the kind of pick that NE covets. This is for an aging linebacker and our backup quarterback.

How is that not a good trade?

 

[PATSNUTme]

Re: Peter King reporting 09 2nd rounder from Chiefs

King does not know BB very well, does he.

My take: Bill Belichick either didn't get a better offer, or he did one of his best friends, Pioli, a favor with a player Belichick wanted to put in a good situation; Belichick is very fond of Cassel. It would not be surprising to see Belichick make the deal with Pioli because both were trained under Bill Parcells, and Parcells always made sure he watched out for his lieutenants and helped them whenever it didn't hurt him


That is BS. BB will not give up a better deal to help the team, no matter how fond he is of any one.

 

[upstater1]

Re: Adam Sch. reports : Matt Cassel to Chiefs ! [merged]

Freed up $14M plus whatever Vrabel is making for a pick two slots out of the first round, the kind of pick that NE covets. This is for an aging linebacker and our backup quarterback.

How is that not a good trade?

Because our back-up QB is, well, better than many starting QBs.

 

[mmasterkillah]

Re: Adam Sch. reports : Matt Cassel to Chiefs ! [merged]

But with that QB, we were not able to do anything in free agency.

I am amazed, if this was the 31st or 32nd overall in the first round, and we had just cut Vrabel outright, I think people would respond differently.

We obviously valued the approximate $18 million in cap space that we could clear up with this move, all while picking up a top 35 pick in a draft where most of the value is from the 20th-60th picks.

 

[SVN]

Re: Adam Sch. reports : Matt Cassel to Chiefs ! [merged]

Not a good trade if true. Many of us were hoping for a #1 for Cassel (or even Peppers). If we get a #2 for Cassel AND Vrabel, that's a poor trade. Though there is a big caveat here, it does free up a lot of cap space, and maybe we can get our FA's and some UFA's signed. IF we don't invest that cap space on positions we need, it's a really bad trade. Of course, the draft always brings some goodies, and having a #1 and three #2's will make the draft interesting.

could be but maybe we overvalued cassel's value and the pats were not getting that right now and didnt want to hold on till late in the offseason and took the best deal they got now. yes ,it looks like a bad deal especially because of vrabel but for cassel maybe thats the market they got.

 

[LoganMankinsPancakeBlocks]

Re: Adam Sch. reports : Matt Cassel to Chiefs ! [merged]

Freed up $14M plus whatever Vrabel is making for a pick two slots out of the first round, the kind of pick that NE covets. This is for an aging linebacker and our backup quarterback.

How is that not a good trade?

It's a good trade in that the Patriots are now in better shape than they were a day ago with $18M more in cap space freed up and the 34th pick, but I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest more value was expected to be coming back in a Cassel deal.
I know I thought we'd at least be getting a conditional pick on top of #34.

 

[Mack Herron]

Re: Adam Sch. reports : Matt Cassel to Chiefs ! [merged]

Leaves us with ? at backup QB (assuming TB is ready) AND OLB. Neithger of which is likely to filled by #34. Hard to see this as an improvement. Certainly much less than most of us had hoped for.

 

[BradyBranch39]

Re: Adam Sch. reports : Matt Cassel to Chiefs ! [merged]

So, is it possible that KC doesn't want Vrabel, and taking his contract was part of the deal ... and they will be releasing him in the coming days?

 

[Ian]

Re: Adam Sch. reports : Matt Cassel to Chiefs ! [merged]

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[RxJock1120]

Re: Tom Curran says #3 overall pick NOT involved in trade

No, we didn't get jabbed.

Especially since 90% of the people wanted this guy cut in pre-season. Now we have three 2nd round picks in a VERY deep draft class. We dump a lot of $ as well. Gives us room to make more moves as well.You gotta remember, Belichick isn't really big on drafting in the top 5-10. Belichick knows what he is doing.

While it is very hard to argue that BB knows what he is doing, the value of this trade is so one sided it is almost incomprehensible. Free agency just started, there are no great QB's available, what is the freakin hurry? Just by having a 5-10 pick does not mean you have to draft a guy with it, you can easily trade down and get a whole lot more then an early 2nd round pick in return.
The fact that most people wanted Cassel cut in the pre-season is irrelevant. Nobody knew who Brady was until Bledsoe got hurt, so what does that mean Brady is worthless. Plus I strongly disagree with every who says Vrabel was no good anymore. He is not at the height of his career, but he is still a big LB who sets the edge exceptionally well and has pass rushing ability. WE GOT RIPPED OFF!!!!!!! How about we trade our 1st round pick for PIOLI!!!!

 

[mmasterkillah]

Re: Adam Sch. reports : Matt Cassel to Chiefs ! [merged]

So, is it possible that KC doesn't want Vrabel, and taking his contract was part of the deal ... and they will be releasing him in the coming days?

No... in the NFL you get the same cap penalty for trading someone as you do cutting them. There would be no reason for the Chiefs to trade for someone they had no intention of keeping.

 

[Tunescribe]

Re: Adam Sch. reports : Matt Cassel to Chiefs ! [merged]

Freed up $14M plus whatever Vrabel is making for a pick two slots out of the first round, the kind of pick that NE covets. This is for an aging linebacker and our backup quarterback.

How is that not a good trade?

Agreed. Think about it: We have three possibly worthy stop-gap OLs in Woods/TBC/Crabel to go along with Adalius Thomas. Vrabel had only four sacks last season and is slowing down

Pats now have five picks in first 89.

One thing is that the Chiefs are going to improve in a hurry.

 

[PromisedLand]

Re: Adam Sch. reports : Matt Cassel to Chiefs ! [merged]

Here's the way I look at it. We had a player who was an unrestricted free agent, who many of us wanted released in training camp last year, and now we have the 2nd pick of the 2nd round. As for Vrabel, I don't really think a 34 year old linebacker in the last year of his contract is worth that much in trade. So if you look at it that way we virtually got a 2nd round pick, at the very top of the 2nd round in a deep draft, for nothing.

Besides that, Riess reports that there weren't that many trading partners for Cassel, and by getting it down at the start of free agency we are now a player with (roughly) 18M in extra cap space for signing UFAs and draft picks.

 

[Brettlax3434]

Re: Adam Sch. reports : Matt Cassel to Chiefs ! [merged]

Chiefs acquired Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel in exchange for the 34th overall pick in the 2009 draft pick.

The teams have confirmed the compensation. Patriots fans won't be happy, but speculation is that New England preferred the second-round pick over the third overall because of the contract value. They also likely felt pressure to get Cassel's cap number off the books to move forward in free agency, and didn't find a better deal elsewhere. Cassel was not a lock to have success everywhere, but he's set up as a long-term fantasy starter with Scott Pioli and coach Todd Haley playing to his strengths. The Chiefs will likely incorporate a pass-first, shotgun-heavy offense. Great news for Dwayne Bowe and company.

 

[TOzgood]

Re: Adam Sch. reports : Matt Cassel to Chiefs ! [merged]

Yes, BUT - Our defense just got WORSE - if thats even possible - how is this a GREAT trade?

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Peter King reporting 09 2nd rounder from Chiefs

The only way this trade makes sense to me is if the Pats were basically just giving away Vrabel to avoid paying his roster bonus. Even then it seems like #34 without any conditional pick next year is a little low for Cassel.

 

[jcdavey]

Re: Peter King reporting 09 2nd rounder from Chiefs

NE and alot of other teams correctly realized cassell will be nothing more than another pats player who will fail outside of their system, and with brady coming back, it was more worth it to get the almost 1st round draft pick, then to keep a backup qb who's set to earn at least 14 mill.

smart move by the pats, now they have a crapload of cash, an extra very high draft pick for a player who won't amount to anything outside of their system, and they will be a huge force again in 09

 

[mmasterkillah]

Re: Adam Sch. reports : Matt Cassel to Chiefs ! [merged]

... It's a great trade because now we have an opportunity to make the defense a whole lot better.

We can get help in the draft, a first, 3 2nds, 2 3rds and more, and we'd now have approximately $21 million free under the cap.

 

[PromisedLand]

Re: Adam Sch. reports : Matt Cassel to Chiefs ! [merged]

Yes, BUT - Our defense just got WORSE - if thats even possible - how is this a GREAT trade?

Because we're not done yet. The cap room and the #34 pick will more than replace Vrabel, for the long term (whereas Vrabel was 34 and in the last year of his contract).