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Rams release leading tackler LB Pisa Tinoisamoa - A must for a Pats looksie


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Maybe for the "Tank Williams" role?
I have a feeling that BB is going to do some things defensively this year, that we've not seen before.
Some "roles" may be redefined.
i would say, that without a doubt, they are taking a long hard look at this guy.
Just my opinion.
 
I highly doubt that. What starting opportunities did he pass up?

What I recall from articles written around his retirement was he was wanted back in St. Louis to fight for the Will linebacker job and by other teams with rickety defenses like Detroit.
 
One could also highlight different portions of the scouting report:

He plays with very good lateral quickness and can change directions quickly. He has speed to the sideline with burst to close. He lacks overall strength to play stout, but can be aggressive on entry into blocks. He will stay stuck too long at times and lose ground working to escape. He still enters into some lead block contact with his shoulder first. He has good balance, but will get bounced. He is quick enough to sidestep or elude contact on his path to the ball. He has range and can close quickly from the backside to make plays. He usually provides good wrap on tackles and has some pop to him when he squares up. In coverage, he has good awareness. He'll stay on the field when the Rams go to nickel personnel. He is aggressive with his reads and will bite occasionally on play-action. He moves well in space, changes direction quickly and can recover from false steps. His overall reactions are adequate. He can close quickly after making reads. He is a productive player with good speed and range, when healthy.

The question facing the Patriots is not: is he better than Mayo?
He's not.

The question is: is he better, in this system, than Alexander, or possibly udfa rookie Antonio Appleby?
With Guyton, a young exciting undrafted player, the primary back-up behind two starters, one a 35-year old vet, this team could use another inside linebacker.

If you ignore the need, and substitute a playing weight 15 pounds below his listed weight, then you have a solid argument.

We've seen what Alexander can do in this defense. Special teams. You really don't want to see him starting in December.

Here's the scouting report from nfl.com on Appleby:
Analysis

Positives: Prototypical build for the position. ... Thick, powerful build. ... Good lateral agility to elude the blocker in space. ... Physical in taking on blockers. ... Good upper and core strength to handle the blocker. ... Rarely pushed back and has the strength to slide off blocks to make the tackle at the point of attack. ... Squares up to make the tackle in the hole. ... Good physical pop and wraps his arms for the secure tackle. ... Experienced blitzer who can close with an open lane.

Negatives: Good bulk and strength, but struggles to disengage from blocks. ... Lacks the closing burst preferred for the position. ... Lunges at the ballcarrier, too often missing tackles. ... Marginal speed to the flanks. ... Lacks the speed and lateral agility to be effective in coverage.

A sort of similar profile to the one on Tinoisamoa. Also note that Tino is more stout.

I don't know if Tinoisamoa is a great fit for this defense. As a back-up coverage ILB, it sounds like he is a better option right now than Alexander or Appleby. At least worth checking out.
 
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So there's no chance of Belichick mixing in some 4-3 allignments this season - especially if the available personnel suggested doing so would be wise? Good to know.

If that's the case I agree that there should be no interest in Tinoisamoa.

Let's just chalk this speculation of the Patriots current (and past?) interest in Tinoisamoa up to another Mediot not knowing what he's talking about.

Even if we play 43 its still a 2 gap system.
Look the guy is a decent football player. He could probably make our team, but he i9s going to see much if any time in the base D. Sure he could play some special teams play in some sub packages. For the vet min, I'd sign him and find 5-7 plays a game that he could contribute. But he is capable of starting in other systems.
The fact that he is weakest in the areas we would want a guy to be strongest doesnt mean we wouldn't invite him to camp at the minimum, but why would he want to play in a system that is the exact opposite of what is best for him?
I havent seen any articles saying we are currently interested in him, and you find probably over 1000 players in the NFL that we checked out with their draft class, many of whom we drafted and cut.
 
According to this article:

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The Rams got rid of him because of lack of size. Apparently he isn't as big as listed:

Chief among those factors was size. Tinoisamoa was listed at 240 pounds but played at 220 last year.
 
Cue the Adam Seward "theme song", while I think about it.
 
You think this munchkin can come in and lead the patriots in tackles like Phifer did for the three years he was here.

Roman Phyfer redux: 3rd down cover guy, all over the field. Wasn't he frome the Rams, too.
 
Even if we play 43 its still a 2 gap system.
Look the guy is a decent football player. He could probably make our team, but he i9s going to see much if any time in the base D. Sure he could play some special teams play in some sub packages.

Agreed. The question I'd ask - is he noted in coverage abilities? Tank Williams is getting a [second] look as a small ILB in the nickel/dime packages. That's the only way a LB that small makes this squad and contributes. Based on the reports, I don't think his coverage is a noted strength [or weakness] and thus probably doesn't offer much over what we have on the roster.
 
Agreed. The question I'd ask - is he noted in coverage abilities? Tank Williams is getting a [second] look as a small ILB in the nickel/dime packages. That's the only way a LB that small makes this squad and contributes. Based on the reports, I don't think his coverage is a noted strength [or weakness] and thus probably doesn't offer much over what we have on the roster.

If the reports are true about 220lbs, Tank might be bigger by a few pounds.
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You think this munchkin can come in and lead the patriots in tackles like Phifer did for the three years he was here.
I don't know Pisa t from Jack, but,in IMO, you're blowing Phyfer up a little bit. His last year the only thing he led the D in was PI penalties.

Also, it's hard to believe he led the team when his main role was to replace TJ on passing downs.
 
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Roman Phyfer redux: 3rd down cover guy, all over the field. Wasn't he frome the Rams, too.

Well he was originally on the Los Angeles Rams, so i don't think you can read too much into that.:D
 
When Phifer was here for three years, he led the team in tackles.

I don't know Pisa t from Jack, but,in IMO, you're blowing Phyfer up a little bit. His last year the only thing he led the D in was PI penalties.

Also, it's hard to believe he led the team when his main role was to replace TJ on passing downs.
 
When Phifer was here for three years, he led the team in tackles.

Only in 2002. 2001 he was second to Milloy, 2003 he was third behind Bruschi and Harrison, and 2004 he was eighth.
 
from the bio on patriots.com

Career Highlights

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Career GP/GS: 198/176 (6/6)

Phifer is the Patriots’ leading tackler since joining the team prior to the 2001 season. In his three years in New England, Phifer has amassed 334 tackles, ranking him first on the team ahead of Tedy Bruschi (275) and Ty Law (224) over that time span.

Phifer has recorded 1,249 tackles (890 solos), including 27.5 sacks, and registered 18 forced fumbles, with seven fumble recoveries during his 13-year playing career.



Only in 2002. 2001 he was second to Milloy, 2003 he was third behind Bruschi and Harrison, and 2004 he was eighth.
 
I don't know Pisa t from Jack, but,in IMO, you're blowing Phyfer up a little bit. His last year the only thing he led the D in was PI penalties.

Also, it's hard to believe he led the team when his main role was to replace TJ on passing downs.

In 2001 he started all 16 games, and was quite possibly our defensive MVP.
He was equally as good in 2002, and when we moved to the 3-4 in 2003, he took on a lesser role.
Apparently you are a new fan??
 
Can he fit the system? Read and react? Take on and shed blockers?

We don't know how the Pats scout these players.

They may be happy with Guyton's progress. He got plenty of PT for an UDFA picked up by an AFC champ. That is impressive.

Guyton should be even better with a full season under his belt. He already had the size/speed to begin with.
 
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pisa is a tackling machine you can never have enough of those guys, a few pounds plus or minus doesnt make a player, if 1 or 2 of our frontline goes down we are in trouble id sign him in a heartbeat
 
pisa is a tackling machine you can never have enough of those guys, a few pounds plus or minus doesnt make a player, if 1 or 2 of our frontline goes down we are in trouble id sign him in a heartbeat

With all due respect, your comment is ignorant.
A small, fast LB in a one gap 43 who can run to the ball, and plays in a system where the rest of the players jobs include keeping blockers off of him is in a whole different world playing a 34 2 gap where he must ENGAGE a G and shed the block on every running play.

A few pounds isnt the issue. The strengths and weaknesses of the player are.
To paraphrase:
A guy who's strengths are least important in your system and weaknesses revolve around what he must be best at in your system will not be a good player for you, even if he is good for someone else.
 
With all due respect, your comment is ignorant.
A small, fast LB in a one gap 43 who can run to the ball, and plays in a system where the rest of the players jobs include keeping blockers off of him is in a whole different world playing a 34 2 gap where he must ENGAGE a G and shed the block on every running play.

A few pounds isnt the issue. The strengths and weaknesses of the player are.
To paraphrase:
A guy who's strengths are least important in your system and weaknesses revolve around what he must be best at in your system will not be a good player for you, even if he is good for someone else.

Exactly. That's like saying Dwight Freeney could be a great 3-4 2-gap DE because it's not the size that makes the player. Sure, you can be a little undersized, but you have to be in a certain range at least, and have a skill set to compliment it.

Freeney, pro-bowler in the Colts system. With the Pats? He'd be a third down situational specialist.
 
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