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    I think he might be too small, but you never know.
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    So were a few guys that were small that I remember ...

    Mike Singletary
    Tedy Bruschi
    Zach Thomas

    And a few more if I really thought about it ...
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    6-1, 240.

    Pretty much the same size as Mayo and Bruschi.


    I doubt that we'd go after him and Jason Taylor. Do we even have the money for that?
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    I think you are overstating his value. Scout Inc. take on him makes him sound like a bad fit for the Pats' 3-4 two gap style:

    Pisa Tinoisamoa Stats, News, Photos - St. Louis Rams - ESPN

    If he really has a weakness at shedding blocks, he is not a good fit for the Pats. An ILB for the a two-gap 3-4 MUST be able to shed blocks and take on guards. Based on this one review, it looks to be his biggest weakness.
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    A 35 year old future HOFer vs. a 6 year veteran who is a monster as a tackle

    Hmmm Tough chioce but I go with the younger player

    Pisa's previous resume says he would be an excellent addition to this defense...if he can handle this complex defense that is - Do the Rams run a 4-3 or a 3-4?
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    Bruschi is listed at 247, Tinoisamoa at 235. The other two are either in the Hall-of-Fame or on the borderline. Tinoisamoa just got cut while in his prime by one of the worst teams in the league. You should stop posting.
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    Hey professor . . Didn't Bodden get released months ago by the 0-16 Lions and we signed him ..Think before YOU post
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    Let's not get too hung up on tackles. The Rams had a bad defense last year an a lot of those tackles may be down the field and far less impressive if that is the case. One stat that scares me about the guy is he has zero tackles for losses for his career (Mayo had 5 last year). That is more damning to me than the number of tackles appease me.

    Also, according to both NFL.com and ESPN, he only had 104 tackles last year and it was the only year of his career that he had over 100. I don't see this guy as a monster of a tackler based on what I can see. I didn't watch many Rams games in recent years, but his stats tell me he is more of a role player if anything.
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    I am not saying go right out and sign this guy but at least have a look at a player who is better than average and at a position we can add depth IF he fits this system o.k.
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    Bodden who is the reincarnation of Night Train Lane, Deion Sanders, and Ty Law, right?
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    Basically from what I can tell of the guy, he might be a decent rotational guy for passing downs. He clearly doesn't look like a guy you want in there on running downs. I don't know if the Pats need another LB for nickel and dime packages and usually like guys who are strong on running downs. His lack of tackles and tackles for losses, tell me that he isn't a good fit.
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    Personally I think BB was crazy to sign a guy from an 0-16 team and Bodden is this years version of Duane Starks but my point was that you said that Pisa was dumb to look at since his former team who released him was one of the worst in the league but if you had any football knowledge you would have known that we signed Bodden and he WAS on the WORST team in the league ...do you get my drift? or do you need further explaining?
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    I think if BB has his sights set on signing Taylor then forget this guy but if he looks at him then maybe he sees something for adding depth

    I do know one thing - Pisa will not be out of work for long so whoever wants to take a look at him will do so,probably by the end of this weekend.
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    Bodden isnt a bad player, i agree with you. The reason why the lions sucked was because they had no chemistry. Bodden excelled in Crennels system and he will excell in the Patriots defensive system.
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    I'm not sold he is better than average. Scout Inc. grades him at a 66 which is an average starter grade. From what I have read he might even be worse in a two gap 3-4 system since he can't shed blocks.

    Unless he comes here for the veteran minimum, I really don't see taking a shot at the guy. I am not convinced he would even make the final 53 man roster at that point.
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    When you sign a player who was on a team that was 32nd in pass defense(which I believe the lions were ranked in 2008) it shows me that bad chemistry or not, that this is a risky signing and Bodden has a lot to prove that his best days in Cleveland were not his last.

    I have more confidence that Butler will eventually take over Bodden's spot as the season progesses - at least I hope so
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    I still think you have this guy way overrated. The guy had 104 tackles last year and missed significant time the previous two years (7 games in 2007 and 5 games in 2006). He has no tackles for losses for his career. Only one year did he have over 95 tackles. He had 10 sacks and 7 INTs in 6 years. I don't see people beating down his door to sign him.

    The AP story of his release that stated of the number of tackles he has does not jibe with his official stats. Whoever wrote it must have taken it from a service using the most liberal accounting of assisted tackles or at least far more liberal than Stat, Inc. uses.
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    Maybe I am overrating this guy but then again I am desperate for us to have some decent LB depth as well even if we sign a decent player who will bea backup - We shall see if there is an interest in this guy soon enough
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    The Rams have a crap defense anyway. So why do we need their garbage ? There's a reason this guy got cut this early. Most likely he doesn't fit in with their scheme or just has bad technique.
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    Yes: that is the only question worth asking here: Why was he cut? When we have a honest answer, we'll know whether or not to take a look at him.
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    Sports Illustrated has him with 28 STFs over his career, which is apparently the new term for TFLs. Bruschi only has 31.5 over his career, by comparison.

    To be fair, completely different systems. The majority of TFLs in the Patriots system are made by defensive linemen or outside linebackers (though Vrabel only has 24 over his career).
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    I don't think you can dismiss anyone because of the quality of the team they got cut from. Not saying Bodden or this guy are going to be pro-bowlers, but if BB sees something he likes I hope he doesn't refuse to pull the trigger because it was the Rams who cut him. Part of the reason the Rams and Lions stink recently is because of poor personnel decisions.
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    Once again ...

    Bodden was signed here from the 0-16 Lions ... I guess that means we need the Lions garbage then ?
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    I am going to guess problems seeing eyeto eye with the Rams HC - Why else?,I don't think it was a cap move.
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    Did the Rams run a 3-4 last year? Might be that Spags is looking to recreate his success with the Giants and wants to build a dominant pass rushing line. Perhaps this guy doesn't match what he sees a LB should be responsible for.

    Lots of possibilities, probably never get a straight answer.
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    Pat Kirwan on Sirius was just talking seconds ago about this guy and he said the Pats are the obvious favorite when mentioned of who is to be interested in him, but Pat said this guy would be better off as a FS and he says Pisa has been often injured and that the Rams are trying to get bigger defensively which is probably the reason for the decision to release him - I trust Pats analysis,he is pretty good at it.
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    I admit I don't know much about the guy either way, but it is strange that there would be such a descrepancy. I know assisted tackles change from service to service cause some services give credit for an assist if you jump on the pile after a play went down. I have never heard of a discrepancy for STFs though.

    From what I can see of the guy, he still looks like a 4-3 MLB more than a 3-4 ILB. I still don't know if I would even take a pass at him.
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