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  1. signbabybrady

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    The way people talk about Tully its like BB was crazy for bringing him back.

    so to everyone who was arguing about the OLB position please explain why Tully was brought back.
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    He's cheap, he knows the system, he needs a job and he has some pass rush ability.

    I don't hate him, I'm just disappointed we spend years grooming one or two low round or UDFA's that don't amount to much.

    If we're not going to invest money or picks, let's flood the camp with cheap linebackers and let them beat each other out for competition.
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    At first I though TBC was being brought back to bolster a very weak special teams situation. He excelled on special teams from the time he got here. Then when I thought about it, I remembered that in his contract year, he got a lot of playing time and had 7 or 8 sacks without playing full time. So then I saw him as a potential situational pass rusher.

    I wasn't bummed when we didn't match SFs offer because though he was a decent pass rusher, IIRC, he wasn't great at the point of attack. Well right now, we know that Woods is capable at the point of attack, and everyone has questions about his ability to pass rush. So at worst between these 2 guys we can get what we need from one OLB position.

    BOTTOM LINE: I'm still confident that we will get what we need from the OLB position from Woods and Crable. TBC is a great special teamer who is excellent back up and might even work his way into the OLB rotation if Crable doesn't get back soon.
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    Yeah, like BB signs people all the time because they need jobs :bricks:


    Youkr disappointment is due to unrealistic expectations. You groom all your late round picks hoping they will develope, and if one in ten does, you've won. You've gotten a player for nothing.

    It is incredible to me how we can have the best team in the decade, and still have so much negativity around it.

    Droop-heads like the stone guy say they are just being realistic. Well, being realistic is saying that the Patriots system has worked better than anyone else's, and it worked partially because of the flyers the team takes, and partially because of their policy of cutting a year too early rather than a year too late.

    Rather than being grateful for this gift of a team we have been given, we carp because a draf pick or two didn't work out, and whine about UDFAs who don't make the team.

    It never ceases to boggle my mind.
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    You know what? some players get cut because they don't act like they need a job. don't know if that was the case with Redd, but it's a fact.

    TBC was a good special teams player who was handed a starting job due to injury by default, because we hadn't been grooming anyone else [STer Alexander:D]. When he failed against Diego and lucked into a contract from San Francisco after we made no effort to sign him, he was waived there.

    In the real world, sometimes you get dropped twice, wake up and realize you need a job and it motivates you.

    Hope so. It's happened before.

    Quite the contrary. By your own odds we need to bring in a lot more UDFAs and low picks if we're expecting to find one decent back up, or starter.

    1/10 might be a little harsh, but counting on 2 or 3 undrafted players (7th is almost the same) over a period of years is really expecting to hit the lottery.
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    Your answer is as good as mine. I think TBC will be a fine backup, but nothing more. There are times when he can get after the QB, but he relies too much on his speed. With that said, BB will get the most out of TBC in pass rushing situations.
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    So we only discuss what already works. Gotcha. That Brady guy looks pretty good and I think the Moss trade is working out.:eat1:
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    It's great that he was available, considering the situation. Just doesn't make me want to go woo woo, though.

    Do we have a couple possible starters at OLB, plus Crable?...or do we have a couple career special teamers? Getting kind of close to the season for those kind of questions IMO.
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    Don't get me wrong, the signing of TBC didn't get me excited. But who else could they have had?
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    B..b..b..but Belichick tendered Woods, signed TBC, kept Craig and Redd, never drafted an OLB, then cut Craig and Redd, clearly he's throwing darts at Don Shula's picture to make his decisions! However, as soon as he signs Wilie McGinest's wheelchair the party can start.
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    look..why sweat it...you really want Booby Grier and Dick McPherson back?
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    I missed that option on the poll! :violent: I so wanted to choose that one. :mad:
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    Well I don't hate TBC so I'm not allowed answer the question. I'm not a huge fan either but I don't hate the guy.
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    TBC was one of those guys who did well in our system, as we played to his strengths... he goes to SF and they expect a 4 down guy, which he is not.. so we bring him back relatively inexpensively.. and he is a guy who BB plays to his strengths and will do well here once again.
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    I'm sorry, I seem to have wandered into the religion forum.

    While I'm here, I'd just like to state my belief in a strong defense and a running game as the rock upon which championships are built. Hallelujah.
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    TBC provides cheap and experienced depth. What's the big deal? I think there are other more pressing questions aboout Pierre Woods. TBC is a known quantity by now.
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    You can't have all-pros at every position, but BB has always done a great job of putting the proper value on players compared to their performance. There haven't been many overpaid guys on the Patriots; most are playing at, or above their contracts.

    TBC provides depth at OLB, can pass rush a bit (which we all agree we need), he's solid on special teams, has experience with the system, and makes $675K on a one-year deal.

    When San Fran offered him $12.2 mill for 3 years, that was obviously way more than he was worth. But he's making just barely over the minimum for a player with his experience.

    Sure, he's not a great player. But I don't think we're wasting a roster spot or cap space here.
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    I asked not because I wondered why people would question BB....I asked because I wondered if peoples expectations of TBC were too high and maybe that is where the questions come from.

    I see 3 main reasons to bring the guy back...STs he is really god at it, Pass rush 7 sacks last time he was here, and to compete/ platoon for the OLB spot.....I don't think BB signed TBC and said OLB is all set now and didn't try to get someone else the other attempts failed but by getting TBC he had a plan in place that isn't as bad as the bellyaching on here.

    the plan seemed to be let some of the young guys get a chance to take the spot and fall back on a combo of Woods and TBC. So one young guy failed and is cut....we still have one on PUP.
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    Do you remember any of those sacks? He was just a jag here, not really memorable.
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    This droop-head agrees with everything that Ray-Clay has said.

    BTW, the Patriots system has NOT worked better than anyone else's: 0 SBs in the past 4 years, while the Squealers have won 2 in the past 4 years, says it hasn't.

    What never ceases to boggle my mind is whenever a non-Koolaid-drinking poster points out personnel & coaching mistakes, the Koolaid-drinking lemmings act as if their mothers were crudely insulted.

    And instead of carping about a draft pick or two - try a dozen or more - not working out, we should be grateful for this gift of a team? For how long? Forever & ever Amen? Until we all live happily ever after? That's an effin joke.
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    Our recent passed is littered with Chad Jackson's, Ben Watson's, Laurence Maroney's to name a few who are pretty high picks and haven't pan out.

    We make mistakes. By saying so seems to be an afront to some. I don't get it.
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    What never ceases to boggle my mind is then whenever a clown insists that he's being a realist by knocking the most successful team of the decade, he calls out those who realize that he's a clown. It's readily apparent that the clown doesn't understand what a 'realist' actually is, and is instead mistakenly equating pessimism and trolling with 'realism', yet the clown continues to do it in post after post.
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    Take these comments to the one about OLB not the one specifically about Tully because to call Tully a personell and coaching mistake is Really Really dumb.....7th rounder developes into a good enough STer and pass rusher that he earns a contract bigger than his skills and then gets invited back to his orginal team for close to vet min sounds like an awful coaching and personell move huh:rolleyes:
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    It pretty clear Belichick know nothing about running a football team.

    As several poster pointed out before the start of last season on this very forum, if Tom Brady was injured there is no possible way that bum Matt Cassel would lead this team to a playoff birth.

    Dispite the calls by many for the Patriots to sign a FA vet, our idiot coach persisted in placing the fortunes of this team in the hands of a QB that sucked so bad he couldn't even play in college.

    And as predicted by the posters on this very forum. The Patriots did miss the playoffs. That is proof positive that the posters on this forum know more about football than Bill Belichick.

    ;)
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    great post it had me laughing.
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    I wasn't crazy about bring TBC back but it wasn't crazy for the Pats to sign him either. He was cheap, knows the system and if he shows up in shape and motivated he is a decent 4th option at OLB.
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