Question for the Haters to answer why did BB bring back TBC

[signbabybrady]

The way people talk about Tully its like BB was crazy for bringing him back.

so to everyone who was arguing about the OLB position please explain why Tully was brought back.

 

[RayClay]

The way people talk about Tully its like BB was crazy for bringing him back.

so to everyone who was arguing about the OLB position please explain why Tully was brought back.

He's cheap, he knows the system, he needs a job and he has some pass rush ability.

I don't hate him, I'm just disappointed we spend years grooming one or two low round or UDFA's that don't amount to much.

If we're not going to invest money or picks, let's flood the camp with cheap linebackers and let them beat each other out for competition.

 

[patfanken]

The way people talk about Tully its like BB was crazy for bringing him back.

so to everyone who was arguing about the OLB position please explain why Tully was brought back.

At first I though TBC was being brought back to bolster a very weak special teams situation. He excelled on special teams from the time he got here. Then when I thought about it, I remembered that in his contract year, he got a lot of playing time and had 7 or 8 sacks without playing full time. So then I saw him as a potential situational pass rusher.

I wasn't bummed when we didn't match SFs offer because though he was a decent pass rusher, IIRC, he wasn't great at the point of attack. Well right now, we know that Woods is capable at the point of attack, and everyone has questions about his ability to pass rush. So at worst between these 2 guys we can get what we need from one OLB position.

BOTTOM LINE: I'm still confident that we will get what we need from the OLB position from Woods and Crable. TBC is a great special teamer who is excellent back up and might even work his way into the OLB rotation if Crable doesn't get back soon.

 

[spacecrime]

he needs a job

Yeah, like BB signs people all the time because they need jobs :bricks:

I'm just disappointed we spend years grooming one or two low round or UDFA's that don't amount to much.

Youkr disappointment is due to unrealistic expectations. You groom all your late round picks hoping they will develope, and if one in ten does, you've won. You've gotten a player for nothing.

It is incredible to me how we can have the best team in the decade, and still have so much negativity around it.

Droop-heads like the stone guy say they are just being realistic. Well, being realistic is saying that the Patriots system has worked better than anyone else's, and it worked partially because of the flyers the team takes, and partially because of their policy of cutting a year too early rather than a year too late.

Rather than being grateful for this gift of a team we have been given, we carp because a draf pick or two didn't work out, and whine about UDFAs who don't make the team.

It never ceases to boggle my mind.

 

[RayClay]

Yeah, like BB signs people all the time because they need jobs :bricks:


Youkr disappointment is due to unrealistic expectations. You groom all your late round picks hoping they will develope, and if one in ten does, you've won. You've gotten a player for nothing.

It is incredible to me how we can have the best team in the decade, and still have so much negativity around it.

Droop-heads like the stone guy say they are just being realistic. Well, being realistic is saying that the Patriots system has worked better than anyone else's, and it worked partially because of the flyers the team takes, and partially because of their policy of cutting a year too early rather than a year too late.

Rather than being grateful for this gift of a team we have been given, we carp because a draf pick or two didn't work out, and whine about UDFAs who don't make the team.

It never ceases to boggle my mind.

You know what? some players get cut because they don't act like they need a job. don't know if that was the case with Redd, but it's a fact.

TBC was a good special teams player who was handed a starting job due to injury by default, because we hadn't been grooming anyone else [STer Alexander]. When he failed against Diego and lucked into a contract from San Francisco after we made no effort to sign him, he was waived there.

In the real world, sometimes you get dropped twice, wake up and realize you need a job and it motivates you.

Hope so. It's happened before.

Youkr disappointment is due to unrealistic expectations. You groom all your late round picks hoping they will develope, and if one in ten does, you've won. You've gotten a player for nothing.

Quite the contrary. By your own odds we need to bring in a lot more UDFAs and low picks if we're expecting to find one decent back up, or starter.

1/10 might be a little harsh, but counting on 2 or 3 undrafted players (7th is almost the same) over a period of years is really expecting to hit the lottery.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

Your answer is as good as mine. I think TBC will be a fine backup, but nothing more. There are times when he can get after the QB, but he relies too much on his speed. With that said, BB will get the most out of TBC in pass rushing situations.

 

[RayClay]

Rather than being grateful for this gift of a team we have been given, we carp because a draf pick or two didn't work out, and whine about UDFAs who don't make the team.

It never ceases to boggle my mind.

So we only discuss what already works. Gotcha. That Brady guy looks pretty good and I think the Moss trade is working out.:eat1:

 

[RayClay]

Your answer is as good as mine. I think TBC will be a fine backup, but nothing more. There are times when he can get after the QB, but he relies too much on his speed. With that said, BB will get the most out of TBC in pass rushing situations.

It's great that he was available, considering the situation. Just doesn't make me want to go woo woo, though.

Do we have a couple possible starters at OLB, plus Crable?...or do we have a couple career special teamers? Getting kind of close to the season for those kind of questions IMO.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

It's great that he was available, considering the situation. Just doesn't make me want to go woo woo, though.

Do we have a couple possible starters at OLB, plus Crable?...or do we have a couple career special teamers? Getting kind of close to the season for those kind of questions IMO.

Don't get me wrong, the signing of TBC didn't get me excited. But who else could they have had?

 

[Joker]

I live by two rules

Rule #1...In Belichick I Trust

Rule #2...in all other cases, refer to Rule #1

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

I live by two rules

Rule #1...In Belichick I Trust

Rule #2...in all other cases, refer to Rule #1

B..b..b..but Belichick tendered Woods, signed TBC, kept Craig and Redd, never drafted an OLB, then cut Craig and Redd, clearly he's throwing darts at Don Shula's picture to make his decisions! However, as soon as he signs Wilie McGinest's wheelchair the party can start.

 

[Joker]

look..why sweat it...you really want Booby Grier and **** McPherson back?

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

look..why sweat it...you really want Booby Grier and **** McPherson back?

I missed that option on the poll! :violent: I so wanted to choose that one.

 

[eagle eye]

Well I don't hate TBC so I'm not allowed answer the question. I'm not a huge fan either but I don't hate the guy.

 

[DarrylS]

TBC was one of those guys who did well in our system, as we played to his strengths... he goes to SF and they expect a 4 down guy, which he is not.. so we bring him back relatively inexpensively.. and he is a guy who BB plays to his strengths and will do well here once again.

 

[RayClay]

I live by two rules

Rule #1...In Belichick I Trust

Rule #2...in all other cases, refer to Rule #1

I'm sorry, I seem to have wandered into the religion forum.

While I'm here, I'd just like to state my belief in a strong defense and a running game as the rock upon which championships are built. Hallelujah.

 

[lurker1965]

The way people talk about Tully its like BB was crazy for bringing him back.

so to everyone who was arguing about the OLB position please explain why Tully was brought back.

Because BB does not care what people on this board think.

 

[PushnPencils]

I'm sorry, I seem to have wandered into the religion forum.

While I'm here, I'd just like to state my belief in a strong defense and a running game as the rock upon which championships are built. Hallelujah.

When I'm on here, I feel like I'm in Pyongyang sometimes.

"You must not question the decisions of our Dear Leader!"

"Our Dear Leader knows what's best for us!"

"Our Dear Leader is infallible and divine...!"

Stepford Forum.

 

[amazinPats]

TBC provides cheap and experienced depth. What's the big deal? I think there are other more pressing questions aboout Pierre Woods. TBC is a known quantity by now.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

You can't have all-pros at every position, but BB has always done a great job of putting the proper value on players compared to their performance. There haven't been many overpaid guys on the Patriots; most are playing at, or above their contracts.

TBC provides depth at OLB, can pass rush a bit (which we all agree we need), he's solid on special teams, has experience with the system, and makes $675K on a one-year deal.

When San Fran offered him $12.2 mill for 3 years, that was obviously way more than he was worth. But he's making just barely over the minimum for a player with his experience.

Sure, he's not a great player. But I don't think we're wasting a roster spot or cap space here.