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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Brady's stats:
vs. Cin - 25-35 (71.4%), 258 yds, 3 td, 0 int, 7.4 ypa
vs. NYJ - 20-36 (55.6%), 248 yds, 2 td, 2 int, 6.9 ypa
vs. Buf - 21-27 (77.8%), 252 yds, 3 td, 0 int, 9.3 ypa
TOT - 66-98 (67.3%), 758 yds, 8 td, 2 int, 7.7 ypa
Welker/Moss/Receivers:
vs. Cin - 7 different receivers, Moss (5), Welker (8)
vs. NYJ - 8 different receivers, Moss (2), Welker (6)
vs. Buf - 7 different receivers, Moss (2), Welker (4)
In three games so far, here's the reception distribution:
Welker - 18 rec, 147 yds, 3 td
Hernandez - 13 rec, 211 yds, 0 td
Moss - 9 rec, 139 yds, 3 td
Tate - 7 rec, 96 yds, 0 td
Faulk - 6 rec, 62 yds, 0 td
Gronkowski - 5 rec, 52 yds, 2 td
Edelman - 4 rec, 14 yds, 0 td
Taylor - 2 rec, 6 yds, 0 td
Morris - 1 rec, 19 yds, 0 td
Green-Ellis - 1 rec, 6 yds, 0 td
So 10 guys have caught passes for them in 3 games. Welker is accounting for 27% of the catches and 19% of the yards. Moss has nearly 14% of the catches for 18% of the yards. That means that their top 2 WR are accounting for 41% of the catches and 38% (I'm rounding off) of the yards.
Compare that with the Colts. Manning has 87 completions (to 9 different receivers) for 1013 yards. Their top 3 receivers:
Collie: 27 rec, 359 yds (31% of rec, 35% of yds)
Clark: 21 rec, 207 yds (24% of rec, 20% of yds)
Wayne: 18 rec, 260 yds (21% of rec, 26% of yds)
Their top 3 guys account for 76% of their receptions and 81% of their yards, compared with the Patriots top 3 (Moss, Welker, Hernandez) of 45% of their receptions and 66% of their yards.
It's pretty clear that Brady is spreading it around. And the results are what they are: a very high-octane offense that can put up a ton of points.
In terms of targets, which may be a better indicator of what you're talking about, here are the target numbers of each team's top 3:
Indianapolis (Manning, 126 attempts):
Collie - 32 targets (25.3% of att), 27 rec
Clark - 27 targets (21.4% of att), 21 rec
Wayne - 26 targets (20.6% of att), 18 rec
TOT - 85 targets (67.4% of att)
New England (Brady, 98 attempts):
Welker - 24 targets (24.4% of att), 18 rec
Hernandez - 15 targets (15.3% of att), 13 rec
Moss - 21 targets (21.4% of att), 9 rec
TOT - 60 targets (61.2% of att)
Brady does a better job than Peyton Manning at spreading it around, both in design (measured by targets) and by results (measured by receptions). The Pats don't have a problem with Brady being too fixated on one or two receivers.
Defense wins championships.
It didn't last year. The Saints defense was average at best, but good enough to support their dominant offense.
On the brighter side of things, after 3 weeks of football the Patriots have the highest scoring offense in the NFL.
Packers were #1 coming into to tonight but fell to fourth. Do you see the Patriots still having the best offense by the end of the season? Do you think the Colts, Packers, Chargers or Texans are better?
As I've said in other threads my biggest problems with the offense are the low-% long shots that often end up incomplete and end up putting you in 3rd and long situations. Taylor looks good to start games, then disappears.
A top ranked offense + a defense that ranks barely above the last place Lions and Bills?... = fail
You need to have at least a mid-pack ranked defense to go anywhere in the playoffs...this defense has a LOOOONNNNGGG way to go to get there.
Defense wins championships.
A top ranked offense + a defense that ranks barely above the last place Lions and Bills?... = fail
You need to have at least a mid-pack ranked defense to go anywhere in the playoffs...this defense has a LOOOONNNNGGG way to go to get there.
Brady's stats:
vs. Cin - 25-35 (71.4%), 258 yds, 3 td, 0 int, 7.4 ypa
vs. NYJ - 20-36 (55.6%), 248 yds, 2 td, 2 int, 6.9 ypa
vs. Buf - 21-27 (77.8%), 252 yds, 3 td, 0 int, 9.3 ypa
TOT - 66-98 (67.3%), 758 yds, 8 td, 2 int, 7.7 ypa
Welker/Moss/Receivers:
vs. Cin - 7 different receivers, Moss (5), Welker (8)
vs. NYJ - 8 different receivers, Moss (2), Welker (6)
vs. Buf - 7 different receivers, Moss (2), Welker (4)
In three games so far, here's the reception distribution:
Welker - 18 rec, 147 yds, 3 td
Hernandez - 13 rec, 211 yds, 0 td
Moss - 9 rec, 139 yds, 3 td
Tate - 7 rec, 96 yds, 0 td
Faulk - 6 rec, 62 yds, 0 td
Gronkowski - 5 rec, 52 yds, 2 td
Edelman - 4 rec, 14 yds, 0 td
Taylor - 2 rec, 6 yds, 0 td
Morris - 1 rec, 19 yds, 0 td
Green-Ellis - 1 rec, 6 yds, 0 td
So 10 guys have caught passes for them in 3 games. Welker is accounting for 27% of the catches and 19% of the yards. Moss has nearly 14% of the catches for 18% of the yards. That means that their top 2 WR are accounting for 41% of the catches and 38% (I'm rounding off) of the yards.
Compare that with the Colts. Manning has 87 completions (to 9 different receivers) for 1013 yards. Their top 3 receivers:
Collie: 27 rec, 359 yds (31% of rec, 35% of yds)
Clark: 21 rec, 207 yds (24% of rec, 20% of yds)
Wayne: 18 rec, 260 yds (21% of rec, 26% of yds)
Their top 3 guys account for 76% of their receptions and 81% of their yards, compared with the Patriots top 3 (Moss, Welker, Hernandez) of 45% of their receptions and 66% of their yards.
It's pretty clear that Brady is spreading it around. And the results are what they are: a very high-octane offense that can put up a ton of points.
In terms of targets, which may be a better indicator of what you're talking about, here are the target numbers of each team's top 3:
Indianapolis (Manning, 126 attempts):
Collie - 32 targets (25.3% of att), 27 rec
Clark - 27 targets (21.4% of att), 21 rec
Wayne - 26 targets (20.6% of att), 18 rec
TOT - 85 targets (67.4% of att)
New England (Brady, 98 attempts):
Welker - 24 targets (24.4% of att), 18 rec
Hernandez - 15 targets (15.3% of att), 13 rec
Moss - 21 targets (21.4% of att), 9 rec
TOT - 60 targets (61.2% of att)
Brady does a better job than Peyton Manning at spreading it around, both in design (measured by targets) and by results (measured by receptions). The Pats don't have a problem with Brady being too fixated on one or two receivers.
Peyton Manning's Colts say Hi!
23rd ranked D in 2006 when winning his lone SB
Defense doesn't win championships in today's nfl. Those days are gone because of all the new rules that kind of limits the defense. Now the teams with the amazing defenses (such as the jets and ravens) can't compete with the passing games of the Saints, Colts, etc....
+1. Three words can say a lot. Every year the Pats won the SB it was mainly because of the defense.
The 2007 defense was very solid as well.
Peyton Manning's Colts say Hi!
23rd ranked D in 2006 when winning his lone SB
Post all the stats you want, its been 3 games and only one game has Brady did what I said is an issue. He was doing it for like 2-3 drives sunday, but snapped out of it. I didn't say it's an issue I said it's one of the issues that could stop us.
Last year, yes, we had issues. Nobody could make a play in our receiver core outside of Moss and Welker. So he had to lock down, but it was pointed out a few times he missed an open guy due to locking onto Moss or Welker. What killed us against the Jets? Brady going away from the TEs and trying to prove something for Moss all day.
I'm not trying to start a fight, just saying. And yes, Brady has always spread the ball around, just not last year and sometimes this season I've seen caution signs. I bet if you look at the last few years, Manning has spread it around more though. I'm just guessing, but I'd be interested to actually see it. Not calling you out to post it, I'm more curious than anything. No big deal if you dont want to or anything.
I bet if you look at the last few years, Manning has spread it around more though. I'm just guessing, but I'd be interested to actually see it. Not calling you out to post it, I'm more curious than anything. No big deal if you dont want to or anything.