Patriots have #1 offense (PPG) in the NFL

[Pessimistic Pete]

On the brighter side of things, after 3 weeks of football the Patriots have the highest scoring offense in the NFL.

Packers were #1 coming into to tonight but fell to fourth. Do you see the Patriots still having the best offense by the end of the season? Do you think the Colts, Packers, Chargers or Texans are better?

As I've said in other threads my biggest problems with the offense are the low-% long shots that often end up incomplete and end up putting you in 3rd and long situations. Taylor looks good to start games, then disappears.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Optimisitic pete ... who woulda thunk it.

 

[BradyFTW!]

On the brighter side of things, after 3 weeks of football the Patriots have the highest scoring offense in the NFL.

Packers were #1 coming into to tonight but fell to fourth. Do you see the Patriots still having the best offense by the end of the season? Do you think the Colts, Packers, Chargers or Texans are better?

As I've said in other threads my biggest problems with the offense are the low-% long shots that often end up incomplete and end up putting you in 3rd and long situations. Taylor looks good to start games, then disappears.

I think #1 scoring offense is in play, sure. You could make a fairly compelling case that the Pats have more weapons than any other offense in the NFL. If they can keep up the pace in the second half and effectively utilize the weapons that they have, then there's no reason why they can't be right up there.

 

[51Hits]

Hard to say who I think is better.

Last year, this offense just couldn't get it done in the passing game outside of Moss and Welker, it just wasn't going to possibly happen. This year they have all the potential in the world to be the 2nd best offense we've ever had. So far this season, only 2 things have stopped this offense at times.

1. Brady locking onto Moss and Welker. During the Bills game while they were stalling, Brady was constantly throwing to a double, somtimes triple covered Moss and Welker. Everytime he used all the weapons, the Patriots marched down the field.

2. Blocking. Sometimes our OL just doesn't want to play. It seems like in road game particularly, late in the 2nd half the OL goes soft as cake. No run blocking, getting Brady hit, etc. This hasn't been a big problem, but just one of the only things stopping them.

The only 2 questions I have for the offense is

Please lord, can we stay healthy? and no. 2...

Is Brady going to wake up? Is he going to spread the ball around? (one second he does, the next game he's captain lock on again) If Brady can get used to all his weapons, this offense is going to be maddening to stop.

If Brady can get everyone, even Tates included in the passing game coordinators will have no clue whatsoever where the ball is going during the play, a far cry from last season.

 

[Gwedd]

I think that once TFB's hair plugs take root and stop draining so much blood from his brain, that things will work out just fine.....

Oh wait.... wrong thread?

 

[SVN]

they have the players but they are not as madly consistent like the colts/packers and will have a period in each and every game where they stink thereby giving the opponents enough time to get after our defense.

 

[BradyFTW!]

they have the players but they are not as madly consistent like the colts/packers and will have a period in each and every game where they stink thereby giving the opponents enough time to get after our defense.

The Packers' offensive line is their achilles heel; Tauscher was completely overwhelmed by Peppers tonight, and both starters on the left side are dealing with knee issues. That could hold them back from being consistent against the better defenses, too.

 

[slash83]

Defense wins championships.

 

[loloooooooooooo]

Hard to say who I think is better.

Last year, this offense just couldn't get it done in the passing game outside of Moss and Welker, it just wasn't going to possibly happen. This year they have all the potential in the world to be the 2nd best offense we've ever had. So far this season, only 2 things have stopped this offense at times.

1. Brady locking onto Moss and Welker. During the Bills game while they were stalling, Brady was constantly throwing to a double, somtimes triple covered Moss and Welker. Everytime he used all the weapons, the Patriots marched down the field.

2. Blocking. Sometimes our OL just doesn't want to play. It seems like in road game particularly, late in the 2nd half the OL goes soft as cake. No run blocking, getting Brady hit, etc. This hasn't been a big problem, but just one of the only things stopping them.

The only 2 questions I have for the offense is

Please lord, can we stay healthy? and no. 2...

Is Brady going to wake up? Is he going to spread the ball around? (one second he does, the next game he's captain lock on again) If Brady can get used to all his weapons, this offense is going to be maddening to stop.

If Brady can get everyone, even Tates included in the passing game coordinators will have no clue whatsoever where the ball is going during the play, a far cry from last season.

I'd rather throw to a doubled Moss than anyone else single covered... nobody ever got open except our tight ends... Brady didn't lock on to anybody

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Defense wins championships

Which is probably why everyones not so impressed with the team yet this year. Lets hope its like 2008 when Cassell started off slow and so did the D, by the end of the year they were both clicking on all cylinders. We could have done some damage in the playoffs that year, unfortunately we never found out.

 

[ALP]

On the brighter side of things, after 3 weeks of football the Patriots have the highest scoring offense in the NFL.

Packers were #1 coming into to tonight but fell to fourth. Do you see the Patriots still having the best offense by the end of the season? Do you think the Colts, Packers, Chargers or Texans are better?

As I've said in other threads my biggest problems with the offense are the low-% long shots that often end up incomplete and end up putting you in 3rd and long situations. Taylor looks good to start games, then disappears.

i think this offense will improve throughout the year much like we expect the D to improve

and yea i can see it and expect it to be #1 when the season is over

good thing too, because no other team with similar aspirations will need those points qutie as much

 

[Uncle Rico]

Nice to see Pats also lead in 3rd down pct.
NFL Stats: by Team Category

They're also getting this done while being 23rd in number of plays from scrimmage and 20th in time of possession.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

This is where the numbers can be misleading.

In 2009 the Patriots were statistically a top 5 offense AND a top 5 defense. They were the #1 team in the 1st half, with the league's best point differential.

However, those who follow the team know it had/has major issues in the 2nd half on both sides of the ball. Last year the defense couldn't make key stops, and the offense couldn't convert key 3rd downs or operate without a big game from Welker and/or Moss.

 

[Rob0729]

Defense wins championships.

It didn't last year. The Saints defense was average at best, but good enough to support their dominant offense.

 

[WhiteWesWelker88]

number 1


I have been telling ppl I know all yr that the PATS have the best O in the NFL

 

[FCB02062]

But that "#1 Offense" failed to score in the second half and only put up 14 points in their "biggest" game of the year to date this season...If they put up 28+ on the road in Miami, then I'll be impressed. Until they score big points on the road against a good team (or simply just win one on the road against a good team; don't care if they win 6-3, I just want them to win a game on the road), it's simply wash, rinse, repeat - same as last season...

 

[memento]

Laugh Out Loud.

 

[ivanvamp]

Hard to say who I think is better.

Last year, this offense just couldn't get it done in the passing game outside of Moss and Welker, it just wasn't going to possibly happen. This year they have all the potential in the world to be the 2nd best offense we've ever had. So far this season, only 2 things have stopped this offense at times.

1. Brady locking onto Moss and Welker. During the Bills game while they were stalling, Brady was constantly throwing to a double, somtimes triple covered Moss and Welker. Everytime he used all the weapons, the Patriots marched down the field.

Brady's stats:
vs. Cin - 25-35 (71.4%), 258 yds, 3 td, 0 int, 7.4 ypa
vs. NYJ - 20-36 (55.6%), 248 yds, 2 td, 2 int, 6.9 ypa
vs. Buf - 21-27 (77.8%), 252 yds, 3 td, 0 int, 9.3 ypa
TOT - 66-98 (67.3%), 758 yds, 8 td, 2 int, 7.7 ypa

Welker/Moss/Receivers:
vs. Cin - 7 different receivers, Moss (5), Welker (8)
vs. NYJ - 8 different receivers, Moss (2), Welker (6)
vs. Buf - 7 different receivers, Moss (2), Welker (4)

In three games so far, here's the reception distribution:

Welker - 18 rec, 147 yds, 3 td
Hernandez - 13 rec, 211 yds, 0 td
Moss - 9 rec, 139 yds, 3 td
Tate - 7 rec, 96 yds, 0 td
Faulk - 6 rec, 62 yds, 0 td
Gronkowski - 5 rec, 52 yds, 2 td
Edelman - 4 rec, 14 yds, 0 td
Taylor - 2 rec, 6 yds, 0 td
Morris - 1 rec, 19 yds, 0 td
Green-Ellis - 1 rec, 6 yds, 0 td

So 10 guys have caught passes for them in 3 games. Welker is accounting for 27% of the catches and 19% of the yards. Moss has nearly 14% of the catches for 18% of the yards. That means that their top 2 WR are accounting for 41% of the catches and 38% (I'm rounding off) of the yards.

Compare that with the Colts. Manning has 87 completions (to 9 different receivers) for 1013 yards. Their top 3 receivers:

Collie: 27 rec, 359 yds (31% of rec, 35% of yds)
Clark: 21 rec, 207 yds (24% of rec, 20% of yds)
Wayne: 18 rec, 260 yds (21% of rec, 26% of yds)

Their top 3 guys account for 76% of their receptions and 81% of their yards, compared with the Patriots top 3 (Moss, Welker, Hernandez) of 45% of their receptions and 66% of their yards.

It's pretty clear that Brady is spreading it around. And the results are what they are: a very high-octane offense that can put up a ton of points.

In terms of targets, which may be a better indicator of what you're talking about, here are the target numbers of each team's top 3:

Indianapolis (Manning, 126 attempts):
Collie - 32 targets (25.3% of att), 27 rec
Clark - 27 targets (21.4% of att), 21 rec
Wayne - 26 targets (20.6% of att), 18 rec
TOT - 85 targets (67.4% of att)

New England (Brady, 98 attempts):
Welker - 24 targets (24.4% of att), 18 rec
Hernandez - 15 targets (15.3% of att), 13 rec
Moss - 21 targets (21.4% of att), 9 rec
TOT - 60 targets (61.2% of att)

Brady does a better job than Peyton Manning at spreading it around, both in design (measured by targets) and by results (measured by receptions). The Pats don't have a problem with Brady being too fixated on one or two receivers.

 

[WelshPat]

Brady's stats:
vs. Cin - 25-35 (71.4%), 258 yds, 3 td, 0 int, 7.4 ypa
vs. NYJ - 20-36 (55.6%), 248 yds, 2 td, 2 int, 6.9 ypa
vs. Buf - 21-27 (77.8%), 252 yds, 3 td, 0 int, 9.3 ypa
TOT - 66-98 (67.3%), 758 yds, 8 td, 2 int, 7.7 ypa

Welker/Moss/Receivers:
vs. Cin - 7 different receivers, Moss (5), Welker (8)
vs. NYJ - 8 different receivers, Moss (2), Welker (6)
vs. Buf - 7 different receivers, Moss (2), Welker (4)

In three games so far, here's the reception distribution:

Welker - 18 rec, 147 yds, 3 td
Hernandez - 13 rec, 211 yds, 0 td
Moss - 9 rec, 139 yds, 3 td
Tate - 7 rec, 96 yds, 0 td
Faulk - 6 rec, 62 yds, 0 td
Gronkowski - 5 rec, 52 yds, 2 td
Edelman - 4 rec, 14 yds, 0 td
Taylor - 2 rec, 6 yds, 0 td
Morris - 1 rec, 19 yds, 0 td
Green-Ellis - 1 rec, 6 yds, 0 td

So 10 guys have caught passes for them in 3 games. Welker is accounting for 27% of the catches and 19% of the yards. Moss has nearly 14% of the catches for 18% of the yards. That means that their top 2 WR are accounting for 41% of the catches and 38% (I'm rounding off) of the yards.

Compare that with the Colts. Manning has 87 completions (to 9 different receivers) for 1013 yards. Their top 3 receivers:

Collie: 27 rec, 359 yds (31% of rec, 35% of yds)
Clark: 21 rec, 207 yds (24% of rec, 20% of yds)
Wayne: 18 rec, 260 yds (21% of rec, 26% of yds)

Their top 3 guys account for 76% of their receptions and 81% of their yards, compared with the Patriots top 3 (Moss, Welker, Hernandez) of 45% of their receptions and 66% of their yards.

It's pretty clear that Brady is spreading it around. And the results are what they are: a very high-octane offense that can put up a ton of points.

In terms of targets, which may be a better indicator of what you're talking about, here are the target numbers of each team's top 3:

Indianapolis (Manning, 126 attempts):
Collie - 32 targets (25.3% of att), 27 rec
Clark - 27 targets (21.4% of att), 21 rec
Wayne - 26 targets (20.6% of att), 18 rec
TOT - 85 targets (67.4% of att)

New England (Brady, 98 attempts):
Welker - 24 targets (24.4% of att), 18 rec
Hernandez - 15 targets (15.3% of att), 13 rec
Moss - 21 targets (21.4% of att), 9 rec
TOT - 60 targets (61.2% of att)

Brady does a better job than Peyton Manning at spreading it around, both in design (measured by targets) and by results (measured by receptions). The Pats don't have a problem with Brady being too fixated on one or two receivers.

Yeah but last game the Colts had some no name guy from the practice squad playing his first NFL game, from Eastern Michigan or something

 

[Garbanza]

The #1 scoring offense, eh? I hope they keep this up because it will be offense that wins the Pats games this season, certainly not defense.