NFL Total Access: 5 Best Players in the League

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Who the hell cares what someone with the last name Baldinger cares anyway. Sounds like a gay porn name.

If his name was bigdinger maybe........

 

[dhamz]

CJ has great speed and agility, but I think once he is tackled he is tackled, AP has the added strength to get out of tackles, and knock over defenders.

I would take AP over CJ.

AP's problem is that as he is knocking them over he quite often leaves the football on the ground right next to them.

 

[Calciumee]

AP's problem is that as he is knocking them over he quite often leaves the football on the groung right next to them.

Yes, but if he sorts that out

 

[ausbacker]

Because the sports media is stupid.

I thought Woodson was better than Revis last season. I looked in the mirror and concluded I'm not stupid.. unless you wish to argue that point which will be met with a stern "The Jets suck.. therefore you do too" .

 

[BradyFTW!]

I believe that Maroney was trying hard last year to silence his critics who say he goes down like a sack of potatoes on the first hit (which is usually the case) and he tried to run harder last season - Problem is at this point he does not know how to run hard and knock some guys out of the way AND secure the ball and thats the reason why I think we saw increased fumbles from him in 09 - So far he has not combined the two (hard hitting though defenders and secure the ball) and if he is going to stay in the NFL he better do both and quick before time is up.

Except that first-hit criticism has never been true in the first place, so that's definitely not it.

 

[Reckedtrek]

According to Brian Baldinger:

5. Haloti Ngata
4. Drew Brees
3. Chris Johnson
2. Peyton Manning
1. Darrelle Revis

I just saw it, no link. Thoughts?

Because the sports media is stupid.

Give a fool enough rope and eventually he'll hang himself with it. :rocker:

 

[LasVegasPatsFan]

AP's problem is that as he is knocking them over he quite often leaves the football on the ground right next to them.

But he still managed to hold on to that football when he crossed over the goal line 40 times in only 3 years. Fumble or not, he is the best RB in the NFL.

 

[Rex Ryan's Gut]

I thought Woodson was better than Revis last season. I looked in the mirror and concluded I'm not stupid.. unless you wish to argue that point which will be met with a stern "The Jets suck.. therefore you do too" .

Do you ever make posts that are serious?

 

[ausbacker]

Do you ever make posts that are serious?

Do you ever make posts that aren't stupid?

 

[Rex Ryan's Gut]

Do you ever make posts that aren't stupid?

No. But you should no that by now.

 

[ausbacker]

No. But you should no that by now.

Well you'd know how to use the search user post function and enjoy the myriad of very serious posts on offer.

 

[condon84]

According to Brian Baldinger:

5. Haloti Ngata
4. Drew Brees
3. Chris Johnson
2. Peyton Manning
1. Darrelle Revis

I just saw it, no link. Thoughts?

I think Baldinger made this list based on last year's performances. And because of that, I could see why he has the players he listed here in the top 5. Now if you take the current players we have today and their entire resume and project how well they're going to play in the future (minimum 3 years), I would take Brady over anyone else.

Revis wouldn't be up there because he's only had one great year. Same with Johnson. Manning would be right behind Brady. (As much as Pats fans hate to admit it, Manning is an all-timer and is right behind Brady. I read some posts that they would put Welker in front of Manning - I hope that was a joke). Brees is creeping in the top 5 and probably should be in there. I would also put Larry Fitzgerald in the top 5. He's proven it for a couple of years already. And Ngata is the most underrated player in the league. I have no problem with him in the top 5.

 

[dhamz]

But he still managed to hold on to that football when he crossed over the goal line 40 times in only 3 years. Fumble or not, he is the best RB in the NFL.

His talent isn't in question but the Vikings had to put him on the bench for extended periods of the NFC Championship game because he couldn't hold the football. It is hard for me to a call a guy the best anything in the league when he proved to be a liability in the playoffs.

 

[bigfandan]

Both Brady and Brees should be on the list. Brees out-stats Manning in last 3 years. That is saying something.

Drew Brees shouldn't be on that list IMO. If Brady can't be then Brees can't be.

 

[NYJetsfan]

I think Baldinger made this list based on last year's performances. And because of that, I could see why he has the players he listed here in the top 5. Now if you take the current players we have today and their entire resume and project how well they're going to play in the future (minimum 3 years), I would take Brady over anyone else.

Revis wouldn't be up there because he's only had one great year. Same with Johnson. Manning would be right behind Brady. (As much as Pats fans hate to admit it, Manning is an all-timer and is right behind Brady. I read some posts that they would put Welker in front of Manning - I hope that was a joke). Brees is creeping in the top 5 and probably should be in there. I would also put Larry Fitzgerald in the top 5. He's proven it for a couple of years already. And Ngata is the most underrated player in the league. I have no problem with him in the top 5.

I think you're right. It's based on last years performance. But with regard to the upcoming season, isn't that more important than what they did three or four or five years ago. In that sense, Revis belongs there. The question it raises is how long will he continue to appear on that list and can he repeat.

 

[Brady2Welker]

The Revis hype this off season boggles my mind. If he is the best player in the league, then by default that makes him the best player at his position, and on his side of the ball. Yet he got beat out by Charles Woodson for DPOY, someone who plays the same position. I really think what's happened here is the Jets borderline miraculous post season run has fueled the hype train so much that now everyone is jumping on board the "Revis is God" mantra. Because Peyton lost that SB to the Saints NLFN and the other media cannot ball-wash him hardcore till he pulls out a win over the Jaguars and everyone brings back out the crown of GOAT, despite the fact that hes no where on the level of Montana, so they need someone new to praise. So it just happens that Revis is that guy.

I might be a biased Pats fan but the fact of the matter is I read an article in ESPN magazine saying he changes offense's plans more than; Lawrence Taylor, Ray Lewis, and Deion Sanders. Every one of my friends that have read this article, regardless of team affiliation agrees this is extreme hyperbole. Those players, in their prime were arguably the greatest to ever play their position and absolutely rocked offenses. They changed games with their athleticism and skill, Revis has yet to turn the tide of a game in an important game outside of his borderline accidental interception in the Chargers game.


In summary Revis was a damn good CB last year, but best player regardless of position in the league? Better than the aforementioned HOF players? Gimme a break.

 

[NYJetsfan]

The Revis hype this off season boggles my mind. If he is the best player in the league, then by default that makes him the best player at his position, and on his side of the ball. Yet he got beat out by Charles Woodson for DPOY, someone who plays the same position. I really think what's happened here is the Jets borderline miraculous post season run has fueled the hype train so much that now everyone is jumping on board the "Revis is God" mantra. Because Peyton lost that SB to the Saints NLFN and the other media cannot ball-wash him hardcore till he pulls out a win over the Jaguars and everyone brings back out the crown of GOAT, despite the fact that hes no where on the level of Montana, so they need someone new to praise. So it just happens that Revis is that guy.

I might be a biased Pats fan but the fact of the matter is I read an article in ESPN magazine saying he changes offense's plans more than; Lawrence Taylor, Ray Lewis, and Deion Sanders. Every one of my friends that have read this article, regardless of team affiliation agrees this is extreme hyperbole. Those players, in their prime were arguably the greatest to ever play their position and absolutely rocked offenses. They changed games with their athleticism and skill, Revis has yet to turn the tide of a game in an important game outside of his borderline accidental interception in the Chargers game.


In summary Revis was a damn good CB last year, but best player regardless of position in the league? Better than the aforementioned HOF players? Gimme a break.

Okay, so you're saying that the "hype train" has gotten everyone believing that Revis is an unstoppable machine. If that's true, it's one thing for fans to believe it, but a completely different thing for teams to believe it, because once they do, he's already won, whether it's true or not. I think he deserves recognition for last year and anyone that argued differently would be wrong frankly. I'll say it again, if he repeats, then there's no doubt, and any arguement to the contrary would be bias. So let's see.

 

[Brady2Welker]

Okay, so you're saying that the "hype train" has gotten everyone believing that Revis is an unstoppable machine. If that's true, it's one thing for fans to believe it, but a completely different thing for teams to believe it, because once they do, he's already won, whether it's true or not. I think he deserves recognition for last year and anyone that argued differently would be wrong frankly. I'll say it again, if he repeats, then there's no doubt, and any arguement to the contrary would be bias. So let's see.

I completely concede that Revis had the best season out of any CB last year, but the fact of the matter is that Asomugha has done similar consistently and is an exceptional player as well, so Revis will need to repeat to approach that level, yet alone top every other skilled position in the NFL. Lets not forget also that these Media rankings are extremely fickle; Specifically I'd almost guarantee that had Peyton not thrown that pick-six in the SB that the media would be ball washing him more than Revis could ever dream about.

But when people compare his one season wonder to that of HOF elite players that played at an exceptional level over the course of many seasons, I just want to vomit. I hope that despite your bias you can admit that there is still much he can improve on to be at that level.

 

[NYJetsfan]

I completely concede that Revis had the best season out of any CB last year, but the fact of the matter is that Asomugha has done similar consistently and is an exceptional player as well, so Revis will need to repeat to approach that level, yet alone top every other skilled position in the NFL. Lets not forget also that these Media rankings are extremely fickle; Specifically I'd almost guarantee that had Peyton not thrown that pick-six in the SB that the media would be ball washing him more than Revis could ever dream about.

But when people compare his one season wonder to that of HOF elite players that played at an exceptional level over the course of many seasons, I just want to vomit.

In the end, I think Revis belongs in the 5 best players list based on last years performance. But for now he's a one year wonder, and he's accomplished zero this year. If anything, I think he's taken a step back. This contract stuff, his decision to be more outspoken etc are all things that leave me wondering if it will affect his game this year. Anyhow, I understand and agree with a lot of your points.

 

[patriotscpfc]

I completely concede that Revis had the best season out of any CB last year, but the fact of the matter is that Asomugha has done similar consistently and is an exceptional player as well, so Revis will need to repeat to approach that level, yet alone top every other skilled position in the NFL. Lets not forget also that these Media rankings are extremely fickle; Specifically I'd almost guarantee that had Peyton not thrown that pick-six in the SB that the media would be ball washing him more than Revis could ever dream about.

But when people compare his one season wonder to that of HOF elite players that played at an exceptional level over the course of many seasons, I just want to vomit. I hope that despite your bias you can admit that there is still much he can improve on to be at that level.

I know we can be biased on here, but there is one thing in Revis's favour.

He follows the #1 WR on a team everywhere. And on the rare occasion that he isn't matched up on that WR (1 every 8-10 plays), the QB will throw his way. See Chargers play-off game. VJax was thrown to nearly every time Revis wasn't on him.

Asomugha marks down the Right side of the field. We could line up Moss and Welker on one side with Holt on the other and Asomugha would be up against Holt and they'd have an average guy facing Moss.