Jets tried to get Tate

[Joker]

How do you FLASH while gaining 35 yards at 1.9 a carry?

well...the FIRST thing you HAVE to do is put THESE on....

 

[The Scrizz]

And how do you know that they aren't? You don't even know the Jets roster?


Yeah, and? All teams have injuries. So you're saying if the Pats lose an OL like Mankins or Volmer, they aren't in deep ****? Have you been paying attention to the struggles of the Patriot OL this pre-season?

Maybe you missed the Pats going 14-2 with Mankins missing the 1st part of the season and our other starting guard going down as well.

Maybe you missed the fact that our DL had so many injuries that we were down to about 4 semi-healthy linemen by the playoffs. Or that we lost a starting CB before the season even started.

Maybe you missed our top 2 RB's going down and being replaced by BJGE and Woodhead. Perhaps it escaped you that they replaced a HOF WR during the season, on the fly, without missing a beat.

The Pats 1st string OL struggled against the Lions. A lot of teams are going to struggle against SUH, trust me. You again must have missed them carving the Jags and Bucs apart. And we just signed Waters while you instead traded for the immortal... crap I can't even remember his name.

But hey, you guys beat us in the playoffs, you're the better team. Enjoy the biggest win your team has had in the last 40 years.

 

[Ring 6]

When he is a rookie, and has a big upside, it is.

The only reason he has a 'big upside' is because he hasn't done anything so thats what you have to hope for.

So is it just as "not smart" that the Pats kept Ras-Dowling over a player like Meriweather?

Noit even close to the same thing. Meriwhether was not wanted, it wasn't chosing another player over him, it was choosing not to have him any more.
If Meriwhether goes on to play at the level that Danny Woodhead played at last year, it would be a terrible decision, regardless of it Dowling becomes a HOFer.
By the way, you cut Woodhead, who again was better than any back you kept in order to keep a WR, Chancy Stuckey was it?

 

[JetFan1]

Come on. You may not have 6 NFL caliber players on your OL roster. Even you know that is a realistic possibility.

And you do?

No

Pretty sure several were pimping Ras-Dowling and the two rookie RB's, one of which hasn't even played yet.

The proof is that these players are being claimed.
Our depth says the guys from 54-60 or so are good enough for other teams to cut a player they kept to have them sight unseen.
Your depth says you were willing to cut a player to get 7 castoffs from other teams (sorry 8) and cut one of your players, sight unseen. If you can't see that, you are just wasting your time pretending to be having an honest discussion.

No, that's just a feel good story for Pats fans to feel good about the players the team let go. You had to figure players like Tate and Meriweather would be picked up, they were starters. The Jets didn't release any starters, but that didn't stop the Pats from going after players like Woodhead and Ihedigbo, so should Jets fans feel good about their depth because of it? C'mon, the Jets lost several players in FA, that in itself is a testament of their own talent. The spin that the Jets lack depth is a farce.

Who? Ellis chose to leave. Edwards almost couldnt get a job.

Ellis chose to leave? No, he wasn't brought back, and even when Ellis himself gave the Jets a chance to sign after the Pats offered him a contract, they still said "no thanks." Edwards couldn't get a job due to his off-the-field issues, not because of his talent, you really aren't trying to spin that, are you?

Thats exactly the point. If we lose an OL we have depth. You do not.

Who is this depth? Sure seems to me the Pats were scrambling on the waiver wire and wound up signing a washed up 35 year old to help back up the OL. That is a testament of their depth? Pretty sure I've been reading threads on this board about how awful the Pats OL has been all pre-season, how is that a testament of their depth?

Ellis would still be your best DL, but he chose to come here

Not even close. And again, he didn't chose anything, the Jets let him go, even after the Pats offered him a contract.

Ihedigo is a special teams player. You should have kept him.

Based on what? You know the players the Jets have now playing ST's?

Cotchery and Smith chose to leave, Cotchery in fact pleaded to get out.

Cotchery is also coming off of neck surgery, and wanted more playing time. Pretty much looks like he failed bigtime in that decision considering he is now the #5 WR in Pittsburgh. Smith wanted to come back to the Jets, the Jets didn't offer him a contract right away.

Edwards almost couldn't find a job.
The funniest thing is you have lesser players in place of all these guys. Haha the jokes on you.

He couldn't find a job because he is a moron off the field, not because of his talent. Not sure how this is a joke on the Jets, obviously, it wasn't only the Jets that saw this.

Last night there was a post on JI that said Rex was going to use Maybin to revolutionize the OLB position. I kid you not.

I'd like to see that post. Then again, I'm sure there is nothing like that here on the Pats board, "the patriot way," or players being in "patriot shape" as if that is some sort of super duper special condition.

 

[JetFan1]

The only reason he has a 'big upside' is because he hasn't done anything so thats what you have to hope for.

And Pats fans don't have this for the rookies this year?

Noit even close to the same thing. Meriwhether was not wanted, it wasn't chosing another player over him, it was choosing not to have him any more.
If Meriwhether goes on to play at the level that Danny Woodhead played at last year, it would be a terrible decision, regardless of it Dowling becomes a HOFer.
By the way, you cut Woodhead, who again was better than any back you kept in order to keep a WR, Chancy Stuckey was it?

So Woodhead was better than Green and LT? Ummm.... ok....

It made complete sense to release Woodhead instead of McKnight, most teams would.

Chancey Stuckey wasn't on the team last year...

 

[spacecrime]

The Jets have two very solid RB's in McKnight and the kid they drafted Powell, both have been impressive in camp

If you actually read my post, I said we don't know what we have in Powell yet, but flashed plenty. Looking at stats to explicitly define the value or performance of a player in the pre-season is moronic.

Preseason is how you determine who you keep on your roster and who you cut.

Pats keep the guys like Woodhead and Ridley who have stats like high average yards per carry, stuff like that.

Jets keep guys because they drafted them high and they are going to keep them no matter how bad they play.

Don't get me wrong. I like this about your team. But it is silly to say, "We drafted McKnight and Woodhead was undrafted, so the only sensible thing to do is to keep McKnight (and Powell) because we drafted them."

 

[The Scrizz]

Just as it is obvious that Tate is better than some of the players the Pats have now at WR, but obviously, the Pats think the incumbents have a higher upside, same for Meriweather. And you are delusional if you think Tannenbaum makes decision based on what the fan base thinks, that's just silly.

Please, oh please, name the Pats WR that Tate is better than. You are officially a moron.

McKnight has higher upside than Woodhead? Why because he's taller and was drafted? And yes, I did know who he was, and I'm pretty sure that Rex and the coaching staff wanted to keep him over McKnight.

 

[JetFan1]

Maybe you missed the Pats going 14-2 with Mankins missing the 1st part of the season and our other starting guard going down as well.

Maybe you missed the fact that our DL had so many injuries that we were down to about 4 semi-healthy linemen by the playoffs. Or that we lost a starting CB before the season even started.

Maybe you missed our top 2 RB's going down and being replaced by BJGE and Woodhead. Perhaps it escaped you that they replaced a HOF WR during the season, on the fly, without missing a beat.

The Pats 1st string OL struggled against the Lions. A lot of teams are going to struggle against SUH, trust me. You again must have missed them carving the Jags and Bucs apart. And we just signed Waters while you instead traded for the immortal... crap I can't even remember his name.

But hey, you guys beat us in the playoffs, you're the better team. Enjoy the biggest win your team has had in the last 40 years.

No, I didn't miss anything, the Jets had injuries too. You might remember, we were doomed when Revis went down with a hamstring injury, when Jenkins went down for the season, when we started the year without Holmes, not having Pace the first 5 weeks of the season. All teams have injuries.

 

[BradyFTW!]

The only reason he has a 'big upside' is because he hasn't done anything so thats what you have to hope for.


Noit even close to the same thing. Meriwhether was not wanted, it wasn't chosing another player over him, it was choosing not to have him any more.
If Meriwhether goes on to play at the level that Danny Woodhead played at last year, it would be a terrible decision, regardless of it Dowling becomes a HOFer.
By the way, you cut Woodhead, who again was better than any back you kept in order to keep a WR, Chancy Stuckey was it?

It was David Clowney, which is actually even worse, since they released him again less than a month later.

 

[Deus Irae]

Just as it is obvious that Tate is better than some of the players the Pats have now at WR, but obviously, the Pats think the incumbents have a higher upside, same for Meriweather. And you are delusional if you think Tannenbaum makes decision based on what the fan base thinks, that's just silly.

Welker
Branch
Johnson
Edelman
Price


Which of those receivers is Tate obviously better than?

 

[Joker]

OK...this is the SECOND time you've been told..Waters is 34....in February...not 35...that's twice you've tried to lie about his age...what are you so afraid of?

 

[The Scrizz]

And you do?

Yes. And if you can't even realize that then what is the point of even talking to you?

 

[Ring 6]

What the hell are you talking about? It was arrogant and stupid to keep a rookie they drafted in the 4th round that had a bigger upside and more talent than Woodhead? You didn't even know who Woodhead was until he was on the Pats.

It was arrogant and stupid to ignore that Woodhead was clearly the better player in order to not admit you made a bad pick.
You cant really be keeping a straight face over there saying you think McKnight is a better player than Woodhead. Whats next, Slaussen better than Mankins? Sanchez better than Brady?

Ahh, so it was the concussion... That is Woodhead's problem, he is small, small players don't last, he was the #4 RB with the Jets, he plays his ass off, but the upside wasn't there, that's why they kept McKnight, most GM's would have done this, not sure why you think the Jets shouldn't have.

Everything in this paragraph is wrong.

Just as it is obvious that Tate is better than some of the players the Pats have now at WR, but obviously, the Pats think the incumbents have a higher upside,

Tate was cut because he wasnt as good as the players who beat him out. TODAY

same for Meriweather. And you are delusional if you think Tannenbaum makes decision based on what the fan base thinks, that's just silly.

And you are living in denial if you think the coach who must get in front of a camera every chance he gets and rail on about how great he thinks he is, and guaranteeing championships isnt living based on opinions of him.

So now Bill should be lauded for releasing Meriweather? That is a new spin. Obviously, his pro bowls were a farce, and he is not the player some thought he was.

He did his job by releasing Meriwhether. We may never know the details.

Vlad is a 2nd year player, very raw and probably is hurt by the long lockout, just because a couple of moron Jet fans over at JI post about him and cry their eyeballs out make them correct, Vlad is extremely strong, and is very athletic, he was also being asked to play 3 different positions in the pre-season, and one of the better OL coaches in the game thinks he has great upside, it wouldn't take balls to release a player after just one year with his upside, and then no off-season due to the lockout, it would be stupid.

There are 2 things in common with players that make up the Jets depth. You think they have 'upsde' which is code for "They havent shown me they can play in the NFL but they must be here for some reason" and you have excuses for all of them.
Please telll us how many times you posted about Gholston's upside.

 

[JetFan1]

Please, oh please, name the Pats WR that Tate is better than. You are officially a moron.

McKnight has higher upside than Woodhead? Why because he's taller and was drafted? And yes, I did know who he was, and I'm pretty sure that Rex and the coaching staff wanted to keep him over McKnight.

So now we're breaking out the personal insults?

So Slater is better than Tate?

If Rex wanted Woodhead over McKnight, then he'd still be on the team, not sure where you're going with this.

Woodhead was a nice break for the Pats, stop trying to spin it as it being something bigger than it is, the Jets weren't wrong for keeping McKnight over Woodhead at the time.

 

[spacecrime]

Then again, I'm sure there is nothing like that here on the Pats board, "the patriot way," or players being in "patriot shape" as if that is some sort of super duper special condition.

Oh, come on! Surely you are not DEFENDING the statement that Maybin was going to revolutionize the LB position by comparing him to Dillon, Moss, Welker, Woodhead, Haynesworth, etc etc

 

[BradyFTW!]

No, I didn't miss anything, the Jets had injuries too. You might remember, we were doomed when Revis went down with a hamstring injury, when Jenkins went down for the season, when we started the year without Holmes, not having Pace the first 5 weeks of the season. All teams have injuries.

The Patriots lost more games to injury by starting players before the season even started than the Jets did among all of the guys you just listed. Can't really count Holmes, since the whole reason why you got him so cheaply in the first place was because he was suspended. Dunno why you left out Leonhard, though- losing him was way more important than Pace. And you accuse us of not knowing the Jets roster

 

[BradyFTW!]

So now we're breaking out the personal insults?

So Slater is better than Tate?

If Rex wanted Woodhead over McKnight, then he'd still be on the team, not sure where you're going with this.

Woodhead was a nice break for the Pats, stop trying to spin it as it being something bigger than it is, the Jets weren't wrong for keeping McKnight over Woodhead at the time.

Slater is a special teams specialist who plays some WR sometimes. He's also played safety in the past, for whatever that's worth. Getting back to the point that you were (poorly) attempting to make, keeping Slater over Tate had virtually nothing to do with his upside at WR. He wasn't winning or losing his job based on receiving, and with all of that said, there's still a very good chance that he's a better WR than Tate right now. Tate was terrible, and for the record, I was saying that long before the Pats cut him. Check my post history if you don't believe me.

I think where the poster you're quoting was going with the McKnight/Woodhead thing is that there's a very good chance that Rex was wrong on this one. Hey, it happens; the Pats drafted Chad Jackson over Greg Jennings and Brandon Tate over Mike Wallace. You can't win em all.

 

[TheSolderKing]

No, I didn't miss anything, the Jets had injuries too. You might remember, we were doomed when Revis went down with a hamstring injury, when Jenkins went down for the season, when we started the year without Holmes, not having Pace the first 5 weeks of the season. All teams have injuries.

you r sooo screwed this yr:singing::singing:


McKnight is still garbage dude.

I can't wait for the Sanchize to air it out this yr 2nd worst completion %age in NFL what???


you are drinking the Kool-aid I am seriously chuckling even now when i read all your crap.

 

[sportsreport360]

It goes to show you clearly the Pats-Jets rivalry is the top in the NFL. The new kickoff rule made Tate expendable because making big kick returns was his major skill. I wish him the best, but it is going to be tough for him to really impact any team with all the touch backs this season.

 

[Ring 6]

And Pats fans don't have this for the rookies this year?

No.

So Woodhead was better than Green and LT? Ummm.... ok....

Of course he was. How can you even argue that?

It made complete sense to release Woodhead instead of McKnight, most teams would.

So most teams would make the wrong decision is your argiument?

Chancey Stuckey wasn't on the team last year...

Point is the same, it was Clowney, so you know you have been lying all along that they kept McKnight over Woodhead.