Jets tried to get Tate

[spacecrime]

The Jets weren't going to keep Woodhead over a player they just drafted in McKnight, not sure how this is anything but smart.

That's the difference between the Pats and jets. Pats will cut loose a draft pick (your backup QB KOC, for instance) regardless of how high he was drafted, if he wasn't that good. Jets will keep McKnight over Woodhead, even if McKnight isn't half the RB Woodhead is, just because they drafted him.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Same for WR, Kerley is their #4 WR, Gilyard is their #5 until he learns the system, not sure how you can knock a pick-up like Gilyard, his pre-draft reports are impressive, the kid has talent, was caught up in a numbers game in St Louis. Not sure what you mean by Gilyard solving any problems, he addresses depth, he's a pretty solid player to have as a #5 WR with upside to develop

So St Louis releases a player and its a numbers game but when we release players its because they're busts. ok

 

[Joker]

Then the playoffs came, and the Jets game planned for him, and knew how to shut him down, that's going to happen more this year, this is probably why the Pats drafted two more RB's.

You must be confused about the meaning of the word SHUTDOWN...

Woodhead ran 14 times for 46 yards and had 6 receptions for 52 yards in the playoff game...that's 98 yards of total offense from Woody...about 1/4 of the Patriots total offensive output that game...shutdown???

masquerade...shutdown...you seem to have a problem understanding what simple words MEAN...

 

[Ring 6]

Just because you have players at spots like #3 OG doesn't mean that they are good. When you get Turner back they will have one decent backup lineman. Good for you.

Your RB's were impressive in camp, good for them. If I had a nickel for every player that was impressive in a camp...

And yes, the fact that the other teams had a ton of scouts at every Pats pre-season game and that a bunch of their cuts are getting picked up is a testament to their depth.

I'm not sure what Ellis has to do with anything as he was a FA. Have any of the Jets cuts been picked up by anybody else? Don't see teams drooling over your guys, meanwhile we had multiple guys getting claimed by multiple teams.

What you fail to realize is that horseshoe Rex has jammed up his ass is going to fall out soon and you'll have some injuries. You know, to actual starters.

If the Jets lose an OL, especially Mangold or D'brick, it's hello 4th place. The Pats meanwhile have set records for games lost to injury while winning Superbowls.

A bust is someone like Gholston. Having to cut guys because you can have only have 53 and those guys who are cut being swarmed on by other teams = not busts.

As for Gilyard, I was merely referencing the JI geniuses who think every player they sign is going to turn into a pro-bowler. Maybin had the pass rush fixed until...

Lets not annoint Turner a quality backup after spending a few years riding the pine.
JI had a post last night saying the Rex was going to use Maybin to revolutionize how the 34 OLB position is played.

 

[The Scrizz]

Isn't that the point? Woodhead wasn't going to play ahead of LT or Green last year, he got the opportunity in New England because of injury. So he played, teams knew nothing about him, and he was effective in their system. Then the playoffs came, and the Jets game planned for him, and knew how to shut him down, that's going to happen more this year, this is probably why the Pats drafted two more RB's.

The Jets weren't going to keep Woodhead over a player they just drafted in McKnight, not sure how this is anything but smart.

It's smart to keep a worse player because they had just drafted him? No, it's arrogant and stupid and shows insecurity more than anything.

It was obvious in the pre-season last year that Woodhead was far better than McKnight but Tanny doesn't have the balls to cut a draft pick because the fan base would all cry.

Bill on the other hand will cut a former first-rounder coming off 2 probowls because he doesn't think he's the best fit for the team.

Woodhead got his chance because of injury, just like he might have if one of the Jets RB's got hurt. That the point of DEPTH. Having guys in case the guy in front of them gets hurt.

I'm very comfortable having to put connolly in at guard or solder at tackle or even wendell at center if somebody goes down. Meanwhile Jets fans are pissing themselves at the very though of Vlad having to play meaningful snaps if a OT goes down. C'mon tell me it's not true.

 

[JetFan1]

Just because you have players at spots like #3 OG doesn't mean that they are good. When you get Turner back they will have one decent backup lineman. Good for you.

And how do you know that they aren't? You don't even know the Jets roster?

Your RB's were impressive in camp, good for them. If I had a nickel for every player that was impressive in a camp...

Aren't Pats fans in this very thread pimping the play of their rookie RB's, or even better, their 2nd round pick that hasn't even been able to practice?

And yes, the fact that the other teams had a ton of scouts at every Pats pre-season game and that a bunch of their cuts are getting picked up is a testament to their depth.

Or a testament of their poor drafting, we don't know how those players will end up with their new team. I'm pretty sure there are scouts at every pre-season game, not just the Patriot games.

I'm not sure what Ellis has to do with anything as he was a FA. Have any of the Jets cuts been picked up by anybody else? Don't see teams drooling over your guys, meanwhile we had multiple guys getting claimed by multiple teams.

That doesn't mean anything. Jets had FA's that other teams picked up, a true testament to the depth of the team if teams are picking up our FA's, players that in many cases the Jets weren't bringing back.

What you fail to realize is that horseshoe Rex has jammed up his ass is going to fall out soon and you'll have some injuries. You know, to actual starters.

If the Jets lose an OL, especially Mangold or D'brick, it's hello 4th place. The Pats meanwhile have set records for games lost to injury while winning Superbowls.

Yeah, and? All teams have injuries. So you're saying if the Pats lose an OL like Mankins or Volmer, they aren't in deep ****? Have you been paying attention to the struggles of the Patriot OL this pre-season?

[qutoe]A bust is someone like Gholston. Having to cut guys because you can have only have 53 and those guys who are cut being swarmed on by other teams = not busts.[/quote]

Right, players like Ihedigbo that might have been in camp, but the Jets had better talent at safety, and now he's your #4 safety, or like the talent the Jets have now at DE, and why Ellis is no on your roster. It's why players like Cotchery, Smith, Edwards, Coleman, and even Lowery who teams are trading for, are on other teams.

As for Gilyard, I was merely referencing the JI geniuses who think every player they sign is going to turn into a pro-bowler. Maybin had the pass rush fixed until...

Who had Gilyard or Maybin turning into a pro bowl player? I liked both pick-ups, I'm actually not that happy that they released him, I thought he should have been given a longer evaluation period to see if he could find a role and mature as a OLB in the Jets scheme. Nobody from JI had either player going to the pro bowl, not sure where you're getting this from. Most saw a player that flashed this pre-season, and wanted to see him given a shot.

 

[Ring 6]

Isn't that the point? Woodhead wasn't going to play ahead of LT or Green last year, he got the opportunity in New England because of injury. So he played, teams knew nothing about him, and he was effective in their system. Then the playoffs came, and the Jets game planned for him, and knew how to shut him down, that's going to happen more this year, this is probably why the Pats drafted two more RB's.

The Jets weren't going to keep Woodhead over a player they just drafted in McKnight, not sure how this is anything but smart.

Keeping a lesser player because you used a draft pick on his is the opposite of smart.

 

[supafly]

Just to reiterate what a bust is---b/c apparently we have 2 separate definitions:

A 'bust' is someone who does not contribute highly enough under their relative salary. That is why many first-rders are considered busts, b/c usually they make insane money, and just aren't worth their contracts.

Busts usually can not see the field, due to injuries, or lack of being able to properly move up in the ranks. Meriweather played in some part of 64/64 games, and was very quickly a starter after 3/4 of his rookie yr. That is not a bust.

When you play here 4 yrs under a cheaper, rookie pact and make many big plays while you are here, you should not be considered a bust. He obviously was not part of the bigger picture of the future here, and was going to demand more money than the team would've given him. That, and the fact that he had his bad attributes and maybe even work ethic/attitude led most of us to believe that this was certainly his last yr, and that he may even have been traded in this past off-season.

Calling someone who produced at a higher-than-average level on a pretty cheap deal for 4 straight yrs, and appeared in every single game at some point should not qualify as a bust.

Tate is probably a bust, and strangely enough that's the guy you wanted? That shows the overall mentality of Jets fans (no personal offense). He's the one that couldn't get on the field enough, and had a whopping total of 20 something NFL receptions.

 

[The Scrizz]

Lets not annoint Turner a quality backup after spending a few years riding the pine.
JI had a post last night saying the Rex was going to use Maybin to revolutionize how the 34 OLB position is played.

Well I said he was decent. At the very least he was very good in short-yardage sets as an extra run-blocker. I would much rather see him than Ducasse if I was a Jet fan.

I just made the Maybin point as well in reference to Gilyard. One savior leaves and another comes in.

 

[JetFan1]

It's smart to keep a worse player because they had just drafted him? No, it's arrogant and stupid and shows insecurity more than anything.

What the hell are you talking about? It was arrogant and stupid to keep a rookie they drafted in the 4th round that had a bigger upside and more talent than Woodhead? You didn't even know who Woodhead was until he was on the Pats.

And please spare me the game-plan on Woodhead unless the plan was to give him a concussion on his 1st carry.

Ahh, so it was the concussion... That is Woodhead's problem, he is small, small players don't last, he was the #4 RB with the Jets, he plays his ass off, but the upside wasn't there, that's why they kept McKnight, most GM's would have done this, not sure why you think the Jets shouldn't have.

It was obvious in the pre-season last year that Woodhead was far better than McKnight but Tanny doesn't have the balls to cut a draft pick because the fan base would all cry.

Just as it is obvious that Tate is better than some of the players the Pats have now at WR, but obviously, the Pats think the incumbents have a higher upside, same for Meriweather. And you are delusional if you think Tannenbaum makes decision based on what the fan base thinks, that's just silly.

Bill on the other hand will cut a former first-rounder coming off 2 probowls because he doesn't think he's the best fit for the team.

Woodhead got his chance because of injury, just like he might have if one of the Jets RB's got hurt. That the point of DEPTH. Having guys in case the guy in front of them gets hurt.

I'm very comfortable having to put connolly in at guard or solder at tackle or even wendell at center if somebody goes down. Meanwhile Jets fans are pissing themselves at the very though of Vlad having to play meaningful snaps if a OT goes down. C'mon tell me it's not true.

So now Bill should be lauded for releasing Meriweather? That is a new spin. Obviously, his pro bowls were a farce, and he is not the player some thought he was.

Vlad is a 2nd year player, very raw and probably is hurt by the long lockout, just because a couple of moron Jet fans over at JI post about him and cry their eyeballs out make them correct, Vlad is extremely strong, and is very athletic, he was also being asked to play 3 different positions in the pre-season, and one of the better OL coaches in the game thinks he has great upside, it wouldn't take balls to release a player after just one year with his upside, and then no off-season due to the lockout, it would be stupid.

 

[spacecrime]

The Jets have two very solid RB's in McKnight and the kid they drafted Powell, both have been impressive in camp

You are too funny. Powell the rookie is good because he was solid in preseason, yet of Ridley you say:

We really don't know anything about either of these players yet, not sure what you're trying to say here....

Powell averaged 1.9 yards per carry and 2.0 yards per catch in preseason. He played three games and TOTALED 35 yards rushing. Total of 2 yards receiving in three games. Total.

Ridley only played in one preseason yet had 84 yards rushing (6.0 ypc) and 27 yards receiving (9.0 per catch)

Yet somehow Powell was impressive in preseason and Ridley has shown nothing.

EPIC FAIL.

 

[JetFan1]

Keeping a lesser player because you used a draft pick on his is the opposite of smart.

When he is a rookie, and has a big upside, it is.

So is it just as "not smart" that the Pats kept Ras-Dowling over a player like Meriweather?

 

[JetFan1]

You are too funny. Powell the rookie is good because he was solid in preseason, yet of Ridley you say:


Powell averaged 1.9 yards per carry and 2.0 yards per catch in preseason. He played three games and TOTALED 35 yards rushing. Total of 2 yards receiving in three games. Total.

Ridley only played in one preseason yet had 84 yards rushing (6.0 ypc) and 27 yards receiving (9.0 per catch)

Yet somehow Powell was impressive in preseason and Ridley has shown nothing.

EPIC FAIL.

If you actually read my post, I said we don't know what we have in Powell yet, but flashed plenty. Looking at stats to explicitly define the value or performance of a player in the pre-season is moronic.

Both Ridley and Powell have shown nothing, I'm sure both have flashed and showed some upside, I know Powell has, if I remember, Ridley looked pretty solid against the Jags, hasn't done much since, nevertheless, I'm sure he's a solid looking young player.

 

[Ring 6]

And how do you know that they aren't? You don't even know the Jets roster?

Come on. You may not have 6 NFL caliber players on your OL roster. Even you know that is a realistic possibility.

Aren't Pats fans in this very thread pimping the play of their rookie RB's, or even better, their 2nd round pick that hasn't even been able to practice?

No

Or a testament of their poor drafting, we don't know how those players will end up with their new team. I'm pretty sure there are scouts at every pre-season game, not just the Patriot games.

The proof is that these players are being claimed.
Our depth says the guys from 54-60 or so are good enough for other teams to cut a player they kept to have them sight unseen.
Your depth says you were willing to cut a player to get 7 castoffs from other teams (sorry 8) and cut one of your players, sight unseen. If you can't see that, you are just wasting your time pretending to be having an honest discussion.

That doesn't mean anything. Jets had FA's that other teams picked up, a true testament to the depth of the team if teams are picking up our FA's, players that in many cases the Jets weren't bringing back.

Who? Ellis chose to leave. Edwards almost couldnt get a job.

Yeah, and? All teams have injuries. So you're saying if the Pats lose an OL like Mankins or Volmer, they aren't in deep ****? Have you been paying attention to the struggles of the Patriot OL this pre-season?

Thats exactly the point. If we lose an OL we have depth. You do not.



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Right, players like Ihedigbo that might have been in camp, but the Jets had better talent at safety, and now he's your #4 safety, or like the talent the Jets have now at DE, and why Ellis is no on your roster. It's why players like Cotchery, Smith, Edwards, Coleman, and even Lowery who teams are trading for, are on other teams.

Ellis would still be your best DL, but he chose to come here.
Ihedigo is a special teams player. You should have kept him.
Cotchery and Smith chose to leave, Cotchery in fact pleaded to get out.
Edwards almost couldn't find a job.
The funniest thing is you have lesser players in place of all these guys. Haha the jokes on you.

Who had Gilyard or Maybin turning into a pro bowl player? I liked both pick-ups, I'm actually not that happy that they released him, I thought he should have been given a longer evaluation period to see if he could find a role and mature as a OLB in the Jets scheme. Nobody from JI had either player going to the pro bowl, not sure where you're getting this from. Most saw a player that flashed this pre-season, and wanted to see him given a shot.

Last night there was a post on JI that said Rex was going to use Maybin to revolutionize the OLB position. I kid you not.

 

[JetFan1]

Lets not annoint Turner a quality backup after spending a few years riding the pine.
JI had a post last night saying the Rex was going to use Maybin to revolutionize how the 34 OLB position is played.

Turner is a very valuable back-up because he can play both OG spots and C, just because he was a back-up doesn't mean mean he isn't a good backup. Turner saw the field plenty in jumbo packages and is very valuable on ST's.

What JI post had Rex using Maybin to revolutionize the OLB spot? A bit sensationalistic, no?

 

[TheSolderKing]

Isn't that the point? Woodhead wasn't going to play ahead of LT or Green last year, he got the opportunity in New England because of injury. So he played, teams knew nothing about him, and he was effective in their system. Then the playoffs came, and the Jets game planned for him, and knew how to shut him down, that's going to happen more this year, this is probably why the Pats drafted two more RB's.

The Jets weren't going to keep Woodhead over a player they just drafted in McKnight, not sure how this is anything but smart.

LMFAO


you are a fool. We drafted 2 new RB's b/c what we had were old dudes at the end of their careers. Don't flatter yourself w/ the JETS "supposedly shutting woody down" was he not our only viable RB last yr next to Lawfirm?
Fragile Fred and Sammy Morris were hardly adequate. You r clueless to this SUPERIOR Pats team. We are the most complete than we have been since 2007. I can't wait till we run over Vlad the Turnstyle and sack Sanchez
I can't wait for our TE fun and RB's in and out of the Gun. Our Defense is finally respectable and you are doomed

McKnight sux who you kidding?

 

[Ring 6]

If you actually read my post, I said we don't know what we have in Powell yet, but flashed plenty. Looking at stats to explicitly define the value or performance of a player in the pre-season is moronic.

Both Ridley and Powell have shown nothing, I'm sure both have flashed and showed some upside, I know Powell has, if I remember, Ridley looked pretty solid against the Jags, hasn't done much since, nevertheless, I'm sure he's a solid looking young player.

How do you FLASH while gaining 35 yards at 1.9 a carry?

 

[Ring 6]

Turner is a very valuable back-up because he can play both OG spots and C, just because he was a back-up doesn't mean mean he isn't a good backup. Turner saw the field plenty in jumbo packages and is very valuable on ST's.

The fact that he can play 3 positions doesnt mean he can play them well. Playing sts and short yardage doesnt mean you will be any good if you must play every down.

What JI post had Rex using Maybin to revolutionize the OLB spot? A bit sensationalistic, no?

Very sensationalistic, but thats what the man said.

 

[spacecrime]

What the hell are you talking about? It was arrogant and stupid to keep a rookie they drafted in the 4th round that had a bigger upside and more talent than Woodhead?

How many yards per game is a guy awarded for his draft position?

Player 1 2010 stats:
189 yards rushing, 4.8 per carry
20 yards receiving, 6.7 per catch

Player 2 2010 stats
547 yards rushing, 5.6 per carry
379 yards receiving, 11.1 per catch

Who do you want on your team?

the 4.8 yards/carry, 6.7 yards/catch guy?
or the 5.6 yards/carry, 11/1 yards/catch guy?

As I said in another post, Jets keep players because they drafted them even when they don't play well. Pats keep the best players regardless of where they were drafted.

If Tom Brady was a Jet in 2001, you guys would still have only one superbowl because you would have played Bledsoe as soon as he was healthy. As you say above regarding 4th round McKnight and UDFA Woody, it would be stupid to keep an undrafted guy like Brady when you have a first round pick in Bledsoe.

J.E.T.S. EPIC FAIL

 

[cmasspatsfan]

It was obvious in the pre-season last year that Woodhead was far better than McKnight but Tanny doesn't have the balls to cut a draft pick because the fan base would all cry.

Just as it is obvious that Tate is better than some of the players the Pats have now at WR, but obviously, the Pats think the incumbents have a higher upside, same for Meriweather. And you are delusional if you think Tannenbaum makes decision based on what the fan base thinks, that's just silly.

It was obvious Tate couldnt grasp what routes hes supposed to run, hes not very bright, thats whats obvious. Price is better, Slater's better,
Also obvious is your not having a discussion, your just a homer putting your homer spin on things.