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    first it was ty and the coaches, now its adam willie and david. all the keys to the title run are slipping away. im worried about how good of a team it is gonna be next year, esp if rodney can't play
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    We have $17M, we'll spend it wisely.
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    What hole did you crawl out of???
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    Take it easy. Free agency works both ways. You not only lose players but you get ones too. Rodney, Corey, Rosie ring any bells?
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    Did I miss something , or did Adam and Wille both sign somewhere else???
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    Jonathan Kraft has defected to the Dolphins as Saban corners the market.

    Saban said "Hey, yeah the cap has gone up...but Pop Bob is in Israel and Jonathan cracked the code to the safe."
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    ok ok i know i overeacted, i just hate the idea that willie and adam lifelong patriots might be gone next year :(
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    Milloy and Law were "lifelong patriots" at one time. Life goes on, decisions must be made, and Belichick/Pioli are right on the value of players more often than not.
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    yes i know, i was disappointed to see them leave also.
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    Brady & Belichick & Pioli.

    If we lose any two out of those three I'll really start to worry.

    For now I'm just gonna switch to decaf - and might I suggest we all do.
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    As long as Brady and Belichick are here, I won't be worried.
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    Yup, me too but let me add Pioli to that list.
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    Willie and David I can see letting go. But ADAM?!?! What kind of crack do you have to smoke to not pay Adam what he's worth? I mean God the Cap's goin up, Brady's the franchise arm, lets get the franchise boot signed.
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    i trust in SP & BB.

    and still TB is our qb : no problem.

    football is a business, we know it but we have 'good brains' in Patriots management.

    still i would like to see Adam and Willie with us of course...
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    It's the nature of football that you can't dominate the league for ten years. I have to say that it is a strength of the NFL that teams can't just buy their way to success each year. In soccer, for example, there are only ever two or three teams who are going to win the league. Even as a supporter of one of those teams, it gets rather tedious.
    Yeah, the Pats MAY go through a period of re-structuring but they are not about to go 1-15. Things are nowhere near as bleak as some on here seem to think. We can re-sign Adam or pick up a decent kicker, Willie's great but is on the downside of his career, the O Line could do with some upgrading, we could do with a great number 2 receiver and the running game is in need of improvement. Despite these issues, I back BB and Pioli to have identified them and ways in which they can be fixed. Without Givens, we can draft someone, see if Andre Davis will step up or pick up a solid possession type like Joe Jurevicius. The LB corps will be solid with or without Willie, the O line will improve from last year if Light and Koppen are back (and that doesn't take account of any replacements) and the running game would improve as a result. We could do with getting younger at RB but they know that. These people live the game and probably work 70-90 hours per week.
    Are there improvements to be made? Absolutely. Things aren't that bad, though. Take away some turnovers from the Denver game and we win. I think that we would have then fancied our chances against Indy or Pitt.
    If you think things are bad, you weren't a fan in the early 90s. Now THAT was depressing.
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    BB is completely not sentimental, when it comes to roster management. Releasing Otis, releasing Milloy... no one else in the league could have done it.

    We could almost build an entire team out of quality former Patriots that are still playing

    QB - Bledsoe
    RB - Martin, Smith
    WR - Patten, Givens*, Glenn
    TE - Wiggins, Cleeland
    OL - Compton, Woody, Ruegamer, Andruzzi, Ashworth*

    DL - Hamilton, Washington, Eaton, Spires
    LB - McGinest*, that's it?
    CB - Law, Buckley
    S - Milloy, Jones

    Not half bad. We just need some LB (Cox, Phifer, TJ... all retired), and the team is a bit weak at OT, but otherwise this group is ready to play ball.

    In fact, on paper, this team compares pretty well with the current roster

    QB - Brady
    RB - Dillon, Faulk
    WR - Branch, Childress*
    TE - Graham, Watson
    OL - Light, Mankins, Koppen, Kaczur, Gorin

    DL - Warren, Wilfork, Seymour
    LB - Vrabel, Claridge*, Bruschi, Colvin
    CB - Samuel, Hobbs
    C - Harrison, Wilson

    Difference is, our roster fits under the cap with room to breathe and an eye to the future.
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    as long as our coach owner and front office remains the same we are in good shape .when those guys start to leave then its time to worry.
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    First, I wouldn't even classify next year as anywhere near re-structuring. Our nucleus is still Superbowl quality. Like you said, if not for a few turnovers....

    And I agree, things are definitiely not terrible right now. Those years in the 90's were tough but I always had hope watching Bledsoe and the crew. Just a win was satisfying. We've come a long way haven't we.
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    When the dust settles, there is a good possibility that either Adam or Willie might be playing for New England next season. You have to admire the BB/Pioli team, they have guts, and I sure would not want to be playing poker against these guys if my house was on the line.
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    Amen. Some people just need to chill out and remember it's March 11, not September 11.
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    This is why I hate the off-season

    I hate all these personnel changes particularly losing players who have been mainstays and fan favorites. It's also hard because BB doesn't give any clue as to the direction he's taking. For example, you see all sorts of rumors about FA's talking with various teams. Never do you hear about players talking to the Pats. But I guarantee Scott and BB aren't sitting in their offices playing tiddleywinks.

    Can someone remind me of this the next time I post a panic thread like this one.

    When does the season start?
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    And what kind of crack do you have to smoke to not realize that the Patriots offered Adam a deal that would keep him the highest paid kicker in the league. I know that Adam cares that there was only a little guaranteed money in it. However, lets remember that Adam is the one who sat on his arse and didn't hire another agent until after the SuperBowl was done. Had Adam gotten off his arse and signed an agent right away, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation because Adam probably would be signed by now.
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    Yeah, bring back OTIS.

    I believe we can pay him less because he's collecting social Security.


    *Childress????*

    Hamilton, Washington, Eaton, Spires does not = Warren, Wilfork, Seymour + Green
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    I think Adam will stay, I realize many have given up but I havent. It's just a gut feeling honestly. I hate to see Willie go, but I to think he'll be back like Brown did and call it quits. I really do. I think your way overreacting. I just want to know something. How much does "In Belichick We Trust" really mean to some of you?

    Every dang year we go through a rain storm of how our cheap ass FO is letting go of irreplacable players. Ridiculous. Hell, BB and co. nearly won the superbowl with an injury ridden team last year, moreso then ever. Untill the wins and rings stop coming, THEN I'll question Belichick/Pioli's decisions.
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    While I think you're overreacting just a tad (and I'm just not smart enough to be able to understand how the Pats would let number 4 go), I also think you're forcing us to ask a basic question: can a "dynastic" team like the Patriots of 2001--2005 keep enough of the pieces in place to extend their dominance beyond four or five years? in the post Cap era?

    The '90's Cowboys' story is muddled by the Jones-Johnson catfight, but that team, the one other "dynastic" Cap-era team, rapidly declined.

    I don't see the Patriots "declining." BB is too great a coach and TB too great a QB for that to happen. But, it's certainly an open question as to whether they can put together another 14--2 SB run. There's just too much talent too evenly distributed around the league to think that that's a lock, as much as we might all want it to be.
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    That's one of the best pieces of anlysis I've seen done out here and certainly as good as any done by the overpaid "talking heads" on ESPN. Put that team in the NFC and they're a lock for the Playoffs.
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    Not only would it be fun to play this game (on Madden) ...
    but it would be instructive to see the total cap hit of the legacy squad!

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