How did the Texans fix their defense overnight?

[Rob0729]

Merriweather and Maroney were top 25 picks, COMPLETE busts.
Mayo was drafted at #8. He's good but nothing special as a gamechanger LB

As soon as you Put Maroney & Solid together, you lost credibility.

Meriweather was not a complete bust. He did actually earn one of his Pro Bowl appearances.

Mayo was drafted 10th not 8th and he easily the best defensive player to be drafted in the first round of 2008 draft. Who should they have drafted? Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie? Aquib Talib ( good CB, but one step away from suspension and a big disappointment this year)? Mike Jenkins? Antoine Carson? Lawrence Jackson? Kentwan Ballmer? The fact of the matter is the 2008 draft was mediocre in hindsight and other than Jake Long who was taken #1 overall, Mayo may have been the best player taken in the first round of the 2008 draft no matter which side of the ball he is on.

Here is a link to the 2008 draft. Tell me who the Pats should have taken instead of Mayo:

DraftHistory.com


Maroney was a big disappointment, but not a complete bust. The Pats got some good production out of him at times, but he never pulled it together.

 

[jcdavey]

texans drafted very well recently on D, then fixed their atrocious secondary when they brought in one of the best 3-4 DCs in the nfl, wade phillips

 

[DonBlackmon55]

When did the 11th pick in the draft become a mid round pick? It's one pick outside the top 10.

Even Brian Cushing was drafted far higher than the Pats' picked even if they didn't trade down.

You have a point with some of the other picks, but the Texans got Cushing and Watts because they either suck or were just mediocre.

Ahem, an education in what is considered "Mid First Round" , picks 11-20. Top 10 is top Ten, just like #33pick is not #32 which is Rd 1, while #33 is Rd 2
NFL Draft 2011: How The Mid First Round Could Play Out - Blogging The Boys

The point is its not like the Texans sucked so bad that were accumulating top 10 picks every year to get the talent on D they have. They built around Mario and DeMeco, and it took them a few years.

So, did they suck also when they picked up Conor Barwin at #46 while Pats picked gems like Butler and Brace back to back at 40 and 41 ?

They scouted well, traded around and got D playmakers last couple years to pur pressure on Manning, and as you saw with them, or 49ers, or Giants, to some extent the Lions trying to get to same level, playmakers are what is needed in the new NFL(last 3-5 yrs) to keep up with the Offenses built around franchise QB's like Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Rapistburger, P & E Manning, Rivers, Romo, or the next gen of franchise QB's like Stafford, Newton etc. This is especially true since the NFL has basically made QB's untouchable as that is their investment they have to protect by all means, but I digress.

 

[eom]

Ahem, an education in what is considered "Mid First Round" , picks 11-20. Top 10 is top Ten, just like #33pick is not #32 which is Rd 1, while #33 is Rd 2
NFL Draft 2011: How The Mid First Round Could Play Out - Blogging The Boys

The point is its not like the Texans sucked so bad that were accumulating top 10 picks every year to get the talent on D they have. They built around Mario and DeMeco, and it took them a few years.

So, did they suck also when they picked up Conor Barwin at #46 while Pats picked gems like Butler and Brace back to back at 40 and 41 ?

They scouted well, traded around and got D playmakers last couple years to pur pressure on Manning, and as you saw with them, or 49ers, or Giants, to some extent the Lions trying to get to same level, playmakers are what is needed in the new NFL(last 3-5 yrs) to keep up with the Offenses built around franchise QB's like Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Rapistburger, P & E Manning, Rivers, Romo, or the next gen of franchise QB's like Stafford, Newton etc. This is especially true since the NFL has basically made QB's untouchable as that is their investment they have to protect by all means, but I digress.

49ers - excellent defense led by
justin smith - 4th pick
aldon smith - 7th pick
pat willis - 11th pick

gave up about as many points as we did to the giants
eli was 316/2 vs them
eli was 296/1 vs us

nyg - can't knock 'em
jpp - 15th pick
ranked 25th

detroit
suh - 2nd pick
fairley - 13th pick
ranked 23rd

 

[Rob0729]

Ahem, an education in what is considered "Mid First Round" , picks 11-20. Top 10 is top Ten, just like #33pick is not #32 which is Rd 1, while #33 is Rd 2
NFL Draft 2011: How The Mid First Round Could Play Out - Blogging The Boys

The point is its not like the Texans sucked so bad that were accumulating top 10 picks every year to get the talent on D they have. They built around Mario and DeMeco, and it took them a few years.

So, did they suck also when they picked up Conor Barwin at #46 while Pats picked gems like Butler and Brace back to back at 40 and 41 ?

They scouted well, traded around and got D playmakers last couple years to pur pressure on Manning, and as you saw with them, or 49ers, or Giants, to some extent the Lions trying to get to same level, playmakers are what is needed in the new NFL(last 3-5 yrs) to keep up with the Offenses built around franchise QB's like Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Rapistburger, P & E Manning, Rivers, Romo, or the next gen of franchise QB's like Stafford, Newton etc. This is especially true since the NFL has basically made QB's untouchable as that is their investment they have to protect by all means, but I digress.

No the Texans didn't accumulate top 10 picks. Just this past year, they were forced with a mid round pick, the 11th pick. Imagine if they had a top 10 pick instead of the pick far outside the top 10 like the 11th pick.

Yes, the Texans did get some good or even great defensive players outside the the top 10, but many of their key defensive pieces are top picks.

I did see what this defensive strategy got the Texans. The Pats blew it. If the Pats built their defense like the Texans, they could have been eliminated in the Division round of the playoff rather than settling to go to the Super Bowl by beating the team that eliminated the Texans.

This year was a major fail for the Pats because all they did was lose the Super Bowl in the final minute of the game Any team could have done that.

BTW, the Lions do not have a great defense. They started strong and faded quickly. Also, the Giants are a great front four and mediocre players in the back seven.

As for Barwin thing, it is one pick in the second round they they got right over the Patriots. You can point to plenty of Patriots picks in later rounds outside of round one where you can point to other teams and say that team could have had that Patriot player instead of their pick. The draft is not an exact science. A good number of the Texans' key defensive players were taken in the top half of the first round where the Pats rarely get to draft.

 

[Joker]

why waste your time, Rob...he's just trolling..even five year old kids know Mayo was picked 10th...ask this mutt where Gholston was picked, I'll bet he NAILS that one...

 

[Rob0729]

why waste your time, Rob...he's just trolling..even five year old kids know Mayo was picked 10th...ask this mutt where Gholston was picked, I'll bet he NAILS that one...

Cmon, it is fun playing with the doom and gloom morons who are miserable when the Pats win and just wait until the Pats lose to complain how the Pats failed because of one of the standard complaints (bad drafting, wasting Brady's prime years, not running the ball, the game passed Belichick by, etc.). It is even funnier when they biatch the day after the Pats lost the Super Bowl that the Pats could have been as good as a team that was eliminated in the division round by the team the Pats beat in the AFCCG if the Pats drafted better.

 

[eom]

dude, they lost their qb -- let's be fair about it.

back to the thread.........

2010 #20 houston picks kareem jackson ahead of rob gronkowski

LOOOOLMORONS!!!!!!!

 

[Joker]

It is even funnier when they biatch the day after the Pats lost the Super Bowl that the Pats could have been as good as a team that was eliminated in the division round by the team the Pats beat in the AFCCG if the Pats drafted better.

yeah...I was going to reference that but then I remember last night immediately after the game , this crudbag was posting garbage in every thread. playing like he's a Patriots fan...his style is like this Rat fan who posts at J.I....and as we all know, THEY are so psychologically damaged by the last decade that they DO spend most of their internet free time undercover here instead of their green sewer run by Soot-sprayer

 

[Ring 6]

bill's defensive philosophy and drafting are simply out dated.

bill defenses have always been bend but don't break, dating all the way back to his giant days. It's only now that the nfl has caught up due to rule changes and qb play.

Bill needs help on defense.

I'm glad to see you know more about defense than BB. Perhaps he is hiring consultants.
How does going to the SB and your philosophy being outdated add up in your mind?

 

[Ring 6]

Many of the contributors to the wins the Patriots have had lately have come via free agency. The argument therefore is that the Patriots could have selected different players via the draft and not needed to rely on RFA's as much.

Despite the success, there's obviously room to improve.

So it makes a difference whether the guy playing was a draft pick, FA, trade, UDFA?
If the draft choices are not contributing as much on this team which has been at least within the few most successful maybe they don't contribute because there is more talent.
The point is to build a team, not have the best draft record.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

Not sure I understand why anyone would be down on our defense right now. They held the giants to 15 points for 58 minutes in the SB . Feel free to b*tch about the offense though

 

[Ring 6]

Maroney - Not on the team (or in the NFL)
Merriwether - Not on the team and barely plays on the team he's on now
Chung - solid but not spectacular
Mayo - see Chung, Patrick
Solder - pretty good but the jury's still out (still didn't fill a huge area of need)

What is your point, other than being ignorant about how good Mayo is and extremely ingnorant about the circumstances about why Solder was picked and how successful his rookie year was?

 

[Ring 6]

The 2 superbowl loses were caused by defenses that were fundamentally built wrong with the same mentality

2007 bend but don't break with an aged core defense
2011 bend but don't break with a nonathletic defense with no real play makers.

The defense sucking is bills fault and the nfl rules

Yes a defense has to really suck to lose 2 SBs by allowing 17 and 19 points.

I don't know why BB can't learn from you. I mean why doesn't he know his philosophy is so stupid you can see it a mile away and why did he chose to put nonathletes who can't make plays out there?

 

[Ring 6]

Houston never fixed their defense. All they did was make it better at shutting down bad teams, thus padding their overall stats. They held 19 teams to 14 or fewer points, but that doesn't really matter when the Saints are still dropping 40 on you.

Fact: The Texans defense allowed opposing offenses to score 40, 29, and 28 points. The Patriots defense never allowed an opposing offense to score more than 27.

Their defense did improve a lot. Before they struggled against bad offenses.

 

[patsderoer]

Yes a defense has to really suck to lose 2 SBs by allowing 17 and 19 points.

I don't know why BB can't learn from you. I mean why doesn't he know his philosophy is so stupid you can see it a mile away and why did he chose to put nonathletes who can't make plays out there?

LOL lets be serious here for a second. This defense gave up a ton of yardage, first downs, and TIME TIME TIME. The Pats were pinned in their own 10 3 times, because this amazing defense, even when they stopped the Giants, still gave up a ton of territory.

If Patriots had the Texans defence they had easily won the SB by +2 TD.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

LOL lets be serious here for a second. This defense gave up a ton of yardage, first downs, and TIME TIME TIME. The Pats were pinned in their own 10 3 times, because this amazing defense, even when they stopped the Giants, still gave up a ton of territory.

If Patriots had the Texans defence they had easily won the SB by +2 TD.

just keep in mind, the giants punter was pretty good

 

[eom]

LOL lets be serious here for a second. This defense gave up a ton of yardage, first downs, and TIME TIME TIME. The Pats were pinned in their own 10 3 times, because this amazing defense, even when they stopped the Giants, still gave up a ton of territory.

If Patriots had the Texans defence they had easily won the SB by +2 TD.

the defense gave up time?

the offense gave up a safety after 8 seconds, giving the ball back to ny.
the offense threw a pick after one minute, giving the ball back to ny.

not counting the final drives of the halves, ny essentially had an 8-6 edge in possessions thanks to our offense.
if our offense had kept the ball those 2 possessions and managed a total 7 min combined the ToP is even.

2 of those three punts you mentioned the pats gave up 22 and 35 yds on the drives --- I don't see that as being a TON of territory.

 

[randomk1]

Wait did you just say the Texans who made the playoffs for the first time ever are team building geniuses and the Patriots idiots?

The Texans were a good team this year don't kid yourself. If they actually hadn't been playing with their 3rd string QB and without Mario Williams i could easily see a SB trip and win for them.

Going into the 2012 season they are looking like a very balanced team.

Good D,Schaub,Johnson,two very good runningbacks,underrated OL.

 

[patsderoer]

just keep in mind, the giants punter was pretty good

Yep, he was very good, but he was punting from around midfield every time, because the amazing Pats defence couldnt get a 3 and out to save their lives. They gave up 3 1st downs in succesion all game long, and only then did they even thought about starting to play defence.

Texans forced a ton of 3 and outs from the Ravens in their own stadium, while the amazing Pats defence still gave up tons of yardage, 1st downs to them, and only the missed FG and a careless receiver saved the Pats in that one.