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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Never saw that coming, Welker is a "system receiver." What the hell does that mean?
The system you must be referring to is the one where you can plug any schmoe in there at the slot receiver position and get 134 receptions for 1,602 yards over an 18-game schedule like Wes delivered in 2012-13.
What a system! I suppose anybody you stick in there at the slot would have recorded five of the top 25 regular seasons all time in receptions, including the second most in a season by any receiver in 2009.
NFL Single-Season Receptions Leaders - Pro-Football-Reference.com
I must say Marvin Harrison's 143 catches in 16 games is a stunning record to think about. That record will probably stand for a long, long time.
Sorry I didn't go through every dam page to see other Wes Welker threads. Merge it then if having another discussion gets your panties in a whirl. So now I posted a stupid thread. This is why I don't post that much. This site used to be a fun site where people could post what they felt like without being personally attacked. I'm out of here. And before anyone else posts "Good Riddance" you can Eff off.
So I make an observation and some DOUCHEBAG comes and makes a disparaging remark. The Patriots losing really bring out the ugly in some people.
Interesting name to bring up.I must say Marvin Harrison's
Dude you're in CA where it's likely sunny and 80 degrees. Its a bashmillion below zero in MA...no need to be so cranky.
Maybe I have an aversion to personal attacks.
There's no doubt that Welker is a remarkable receiver, with incredible durability, and that he's been one of the most reliable and consistent players on the team over the past 6 years. It's hard to argue against that, or to criticize the player.
But I think it's also hard to deny that Welker has a limited catching radius and zone of effectiveness, and that he has had some key misses in big play situations where he has been the primary target. I suspect that as he gets older, those problems will only increase, as his hand strength subtly diminishes.
Do I think that Welker is phenomenal? Yes. Would I love him to be part of this team? Yes. But am I convinced that making him the primary receiving option in clutch situations is the most likely route to another SB? Probably not.
It's not Welker's fault that Gronk was injured, or Hernandez regressed somewhat this year after his injury. Welker's been a battler and done all that was asked to him. He's not Super Man.
But I do question whether, in a tight cap environment, and with a number of other "move" based receiving options, we might be better off spending on a younger, bigger, more physical receiver. We have enough guys capable of operating effectively in Welker's territory and being reasonable receiving options that we could probably spread a lot of his workload around between Hernandez, Vereen, Edelman, Woodhead and Demps. None would be a Welker, but collectively I'm not sure we would lose that much. But none of those guys can provide the big, physical receiving presence that we need. Only Gronk currently does that, and without him we struggle against more physical teams.
I don't know the answer. I think Welker deserves to be paid, and I'm sure he will continue to produce. But I also expect that he'll continue to have some drops in key situations (as well as making plays in many other key situations) if we continue to rely on him in the clutch the way we have.
I don't know the answer and I'm not arguing either way. It's a hard problem.
Do you think Welker would have his numbers without Brady throwing to him? He should be a complement to this offense, not the main focus. That is an issue with the offense not Welker. Maybe I am just not articulate enough for the average person to understand what I say.
Sorry I didn't go through every dam page to see other Wes Welker threads. Merge it then if having another discussion gets your panties in a whirl. So now I posted a stupid thread. This is why I don't post that much. This site used to be a fun site where people could post what they felt like without being personally attacked. I'm out of here. And before anyone else posts "Good Riddance" you can Eff off.
Do you think Welker would have his numbers without Brady throwing to him? He should be a complement to this offense, not the main focus. That is an issue with the offense not Welker. Maybe I am just not articulate enough for the average person to understand what I say.
NFL Single-Season Receptions Leaders - Pro-Football-Reference.com
I must say Marvin Harrison's 143 catches in 16 games is a stunning record to think about. That record will probably stand for a long, long time.
Your opinion was attacked (but when you make a statement that we will never win a SB with Wes Welker, what do you expect?). That is very different than a personal attack.Maybe I have an aversion to personal attacks.
Maybe I have an aversion to personal attacks.
....So I make an observation and some DOUCHEBAG comes and makes a disparaging remark. The Patriots losing really bring out the ugly in some people.
At risk of getting attacked by the Welker lovers, let me say this. As long as Wes Welker is the focus of this offense we will never win the SB. Sure he is a talented player, but he still drops a lot of easy passes. Never mind the Super Bowl. If Welker catches that ball in the third quarter at the fifty, the Patriot would likely have scored and one more score would have kept momentum on our side. Welker has dropped an easy pass at least once a game. And Loydd has been a bust as far as I'm concerned. This team had 47 drops this season. That's 3 a game. That is way too many. It's one thing to pad your stats in the regular season with screen passes, but that's not enough in the post-season. We have a team of slot receivers. We need big fast wide receivers that can go downfield and jump and fight for the ball. The receivers we have may be good enough to get us in the post season, but they are not good enough to win it all.
I would offer Welker a 2 year, 10 Million dollar contract. Take it or leave it. He was not worth 9 Million a year. If he wants more let someone else overpay for him. If he goes elsewhere, he will not do as well without Brady and this system.
OK. Flame away.
Do you think Welker would have his numbers without Brady throwing to him? He should be a complement to this offense, not the main focus. That is an issue with the offense not Welker. Maybe I am just not articulate enough for the average person to understand what I say.
Of course every one doesn't get my point. Yes Wes Welker is a great receiver. We would have been no where without him. But he should be a complement in the offense. How many Super Bowls have we won with Wes Welker. None. The teams that win now have big receivers that fight for the ball. The Patriots do not have that. We need more than Wes Welker on this offense or we will never win it all. Sorry if you find it offensive to question a player's worth and disagree with how to change this offense going forward.
How would the Pats have fared without Welker this season?
It's easy to hypothetically play fantasy football and say we need to sign Megatron, Fitzgerald and Andre Johnson but that's never going to happen.