Another big drop by Welker

[Bill B.]

At risk of getting attacked by the Welker lovers, let me say this. As long as Wes Welker is the focus of this offense we will never win the SB. Sure he is a talented player, but he still drops a lot of easy passes. Never mind the Super Bowl. If Welker catches that ball in the third quarter at the fifty, the Patriot would likely have scored and one more score would have kept momentum on our side. Welker has dropped an easy pass at least once a game. And Loydd has been a bust as far as I'm concerned. This team had 47 drops this season. That's 3 a game. That is way too many. It's one thing to pad your stats in the regular season with screen passes, but that's not enough in the post-season. We have a team of slot receivers. We need big fast wide receivers that can go downfield and jump and fight for the ball. The receivers we have may be good enough to get us in the post season, but they are not good enough to win it all.

I would offer Welker a 2 year, 10 Million dollar contract. Take it or leave it. He was not worth 9 Million a year. If he wants more let someone else overpay for him. If he goes elsewhere, he will not do as well without Brady and this system.

OK. Flame away.

 

[PatsFan2]

Yeah that drop was Huge but its part of the game and he's human...I will add Bledsoe made some piss poor throws Sunday evening also. Bledsoe picked great time to throw up some stinkers.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

another big turd of a thread....

 

[SoCal Bong]

How would the Pats have fared without Welker this season?

It's easy to hypothetically play fantasy football and say we need to sign Megatron, Fitzgerald and Andre Johnson but that's never going to happen.

 

[BrickPat]

The fact is the Pats likely wouldn't gotten as far as they did without the, oh I don't know, 100 or so passes Welker caught during the year (many of them clutch). While others were oft injured or underperforming he typically was firing on all cylinders every game.

Is Welker the end all answer to the offense's struggles as seen last Sunday? No, however IMO they should've signed a (younger version) of Vincent Jackson type player to compliment Welker who has consistently proven how valuable and durable he is.

 

[Bill B.]

Of course every one doesn't get my point. Yes Wes Welker is a great receiver. We would have been no where without him. But he should be a complement in the offense. How many Super Bowls have we won with Wes Welker. None. The teams that win now have big receivers that fight for the ball. The Patriots do not have that. We need more than Wes Welker on this offense or we will never win it all. Sorry if you find it offensive to question a player's worth and disagree with how to change this offense going forward.

 

[xlcjw72]

can we stop these? you think that one catch cost us the game? what about arrington not preforming, brady playing like he didnt care, without welker we wouldn't have been here. its sad that when he drops one pass we get on his back and make countless threads but when he makes a clutch catch its oh thats welker baby!!!! this lose hurt but its on the team, coaches and everyone else. people trying to point at welker is rediculous and it shows how spoiled this fan base is. its ok to anaylize the game but to try to paint a untrue picture is wrong. sorry thats my rant

 

[Deus Irae]

At risk of getting attacked by the Welker lovers, let me say this. As long as Wes Welker is the focus of this offense we will never win the SB. Sure he is a talented player, but he still drops a lot of easy passes. Never mind the Super Bowl. If Welker catches that ball in the third quarter at the fifty, the Patriot would likely have scored and one more score would have kept momentum on our side. Welker has dropped an easy pass at least once a game. And Loydd has been a bust as far as I'm concerned. This team had 47 drops this season. That's 3 a game. That is way too many. It's one thing to pad your stats in the regular season with screen passes, but that's not enough in the post-season. We have a team of slot receivers. We need big fast wide receivers that can go downfield and jump and fight for the ball. The receivers we have may be good enough to get us in the post season, but they are not good enough to win it all.

I would offer Welker a 2 year, 10 Million dollar contract. Take it or leave it. He was not worth 9 Million a year. If he wants more let someone else overpay for him. If he goes elsewhere, he will not do as well without Brady and this system.

OK. Flame away.

A couple of plays earlier, Welker had made a huge catch and gotten drilled for his troubles. I guess we should just ignore that, though, and act as stupidly as Jets fans, right?

Instead of complaining about Welker, why not question the two much more important questions about that play:

1.) Why is Welker the only player who can be generally be trusted in those spots even after all the offensive additions?

2.) After what happened with Hernandez, post-drilling, earlier in the season, why didn't the team have Welker off the field for a few plays after he got lit up?

 

[mayoclinic]

At risk of getting attacked by the Welker lovers, let me say this. As long as Wes Welker is the focus of this offense we will never win the SB.

The fact is the Pats likely wouldn't gotten as far as they did without the, oh I don't know, 100 or so passes Welker caught during the year (many of them clutch). While others were oft injured or underperforming he typically was firing on all cylinders every game.

Is Welker the end all answer to the offense's struggles as seen last Sunday? No, however IMO they should've signed a (younger version) of Vincent Jackson type player to compliment Welker who has consistently proven how valuable and durable he is.

There's no doubt that Welker is a remarkable receiver, with incredible durability, and that he's been one of the most reliable and consistent players on the team over the past 6 years. It's hard to argue against that, or to criticize the player.

But I think it's also hard to deny that Welker has a limited catching radius and zone of effectiveness, and that he has had some key misses in big play situations where he has been the primary target. I suspect that as he gets older, those problems will only increase, as his hand strength subtly diminishes.

Do I think that Welker is phenomenal? Yes. Would I love him to be part of this team? Yes. But am I convinced that making him the primary receiving option in clutch situations is the most likely route to another SB? Probably not.

It's not Welker's fault that Gronk was injured, or Hernandez regressed somewhat this year after his injury. Welker's been a battler and done all that was asked to him. He's not Super Man.

But I do question whether, in a tight cap environment, and with a number of other "move" based receiving options, we might be better off spending on a younger, bigger, more physical receiver. We have enough guys capable of operating effectively in Welker's territory and being reasonable receiving options that we could probably spread a lot of his workload around between Hernandez, Vereen, Edelman, Woodhead and Demps. None would be a Welker, but collectively I'm not sure we would lose that much. But none of those guys can provide the big, physical receiving presence that we need. Only Gronk currently does that, and without him we struggle against more physical teams.

I don't know the answer. I think Welker deserves to be paid, and I'm sure he will continue to produce. But I also expect that he'll continue to have some drops in key situations (as well as making plays in many other key situations) if we continue to rely on him in the clutch the way we have.

I don't know the answer and I'm not arguing either way. It's a hard problem.

 

[Bill B.]

another big turd of a thread....

Thank you for giving a worthwhile comment and adding some deep thought to the discussion.

This is what really pi$$e$ me off about this site. I come here and make an observation about the offense and while I understand most people don't want to remove their lips from their favorite players butt, reasonable discussion and disagreement should be the rule of the day. So I make an observation and some DOUCHEBAG comes and makes a disparaging remark. The Patriots losing really bring out the ugly in some people.

 

[BrickPat]

There's no doubt that Welker is a remarkable receiver, with incredible durability, and that he's been one of the most reliable and consistent players on the team over the past 6 years. It's hard to argue against that, or to criticize the player.

But I think it's also hard to deny that Welker has a limited catching radius and zone of effectiveness, and that he has had some key misses in big play situations where he has been the primary target. I suspect that as he gets older, those problems will only increase, as his hand strength subtly diminishes.

Do I think that Welker is phenomenal? Yes. Would I love him to be part of this team? Yes. But am I convinced that making him the primary receiving option in clutch situations is the most likely route to another SB? Probably not.

It's not Welker's fault that Gronk was injured, or Hernandez regressed somewhat this year after his injury. Welker's been a battler and done all that was asked to him. He's not Super Man.

But I do question whether, in a tight cap environment, and with a number of other "move" based receiving options, we might be better off spending on a younger, bigger, more physical receiver. We have enough guys capable of operating effectively in Welker's territory and being reasonable receiving options that we could probably spread a lot of his workload around between Hernandez, Vereen, Edelman, Woodhead and Demps. None would be a Welker, but collectively I'm not sure we would lose that much. But none of those guys can provide the big, physical receiving presence that we need. Only Gronk currently does that, and without him we struggle against more physical teams.

I don't know the answer. I think Welker deserves to be paid, and I'm sure he will continue to produce. But I also expect that he'll continue to have some drops in key situations (as well as making plays in many other key situations) if we continue to rely on him in the clutch the way we have.

I don't know the answer and I'm not arguing either way. It's a hard problem.

All reasonable observations but why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't they go after that "big WR" type and keep Welker (if possible under cap)? Branch will be gone and the Pats could cut Lloyd...

 

[aluminum seats]

Wes Welker is a great receiver. We would have been no where without him.

Shoulda stopped right there.

 

[goheels22002]

I would offer Welker a 2 year, 10 Million dollar contract. Take it or leave it. He was not worth 9 Million a year. If he wants more let someone else overpay for him. If he goes elsewhere, he will not do as well without Brady and this system.

OK. Flame away.

Never saw that coming, Welker is a "system receiver." What the hell does that mean?

The system you must be referring to is the one where you can plug any schmoe in there at the slot receiver position and get 134 receptions for 1,602 yards over an 18-game schedule like Wes delivered in 2012-13.

What a system! I suppose anybody you stick in there at the slot would have recorded five of the top 25 regular seasons all time in receptions, including the second most in a season by any receiver in 2009.

NFL Single-Season Receptions Leaders - Pro-Football-Reference.com

I must say Marvin Harrison's 143 catches in 16 games is a stunning record to think about. That record will probably stand for a long, long time.

 

[Deus Irae]

Thank you for giving a worthwhile comment and adding some deep thought to the discussion.

This is what really pi$$e$ me off about this site. I come here and make an observation about the offense and while I understand most people don't want to remove their lips from their favorite players butt, reasonable discussion and disagreement should be the rule of the day. So I make an observation and some DOUCHEBAG comes and makes a disparaging remark. The Patriots losing really bring out the ugly in some people.

1.) It's not the only Welker thread up, and it didn't need to be added to the group. It didn't bring anything new to the discussions.

2.) It's a really stupid thread, even as a standalone. Its focus on the drop to go after Welker is stupid. Using it as some level of justification for a lowball 'take it or leave it' comment was even more ridiculous.

 

[signbabybrady]

Look I am not going to all the sudden turn on Welker because of two clutch drops alone but when you add in his age and his likely contract demands one has to consider if it might be time to part ways and spend the money differently.

IMO the 11 mil tag is not a wise investment. A week ago I might have thought different but its a lot of cash. I am ok with tagging and trading or tagging to work out something for less but you risk locking up the money when FAency starts.

I just think you have 3 talented guys in the short and intermediate areas in Lloyd, Gronk, and Hernandez and you might be able to use the 8-11 mil to get both a DB and a deep threat and maybe still have a little left over to birng back Edelman.

If Welker were not at a point where it was time to cash in then I would love to have him back but there is enough talent on O not to overpay for past performance and he has to go get the contract thats out there he doesnt have a lot of years left.

 

[BrickPat]

Look I am not going to all the sudden turn on Welker because of two clutch drops alone but when you add in his age and his likely contract demands one has to consider if it might be time to part ways and spend the money differently.

IMO the 11 mil tag is not a wise investment. A week ago I might have thought different but its a lot of cash. I am ok with tagging and trading or tagging to work out something for less but you risk locking up the money when FAency starts.

I just think you have 3 talented guys in the short and intermediate areas in Lloyd, Gronk, and Hernandez and you might be able to use the 8-11 mil to get both a DB and a deep threat and maybe still have a little left over to birng back Edelman.

If Welker were not at a point where it was time to cash in then I would love to have him back but there is enough talent on O not to overpay for past performance and he has to go get the contract thats out there he doesnt have a lot of years left.

The guy has proven production AND durability. When Gronk, Hernandez, Edleman were on the sideline at various times "little old man" Wes was out there making play after play and getting up like the Terminator after some bonecrushing hits. It's easy in the off season to minimize his on field vallue to the team until you acutally watch a game and are reminded of it again and again and again.

 

[nekromantique]

I believe I read somewhere (probably pff) that welkers drop rate before his knee injury in 09 was 5%

since? 12%

playoffs this year? 20%


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[Bill B.]

1.) It's not the only Welker thread up, and it didn't need to be added to the group. It didn't bring anything new to the discussions.

2.) It's a really stupid thread, even as a standalone. Its focus on the drop to go after Welker is stupid. Using it as some level of justification for a lowball 'take it or leave it' comment was even more ridiculous.

Sorry I didn't go through every dam page to see other Wes Welker threads. Merge it then if having another discussion gets your panties in a whirl. So now I posted a stupid thread. This is why I don't post that much. This site used to be a fun site where people could post what they felt like without being personally attacked. I'm out of here. And before anyone else posts "Good Riddance" you can Eff off.

 

[dm44]

We need a WR with a downfield catch radius of more than 6 inches.

 

[BrickPat]

Sorry I didn't go through every dam page to see other Wes Welker threads. Merge it then if having another discussion gets your panties in a whirl. So now I posted a stupid thread. This is why I don't post that much. This site used to be a fun site where people could post what they felt like without being personally attacked. I'm out of here. And before anyone else posts "Good Riddance" you can Eff off.

Dude you're in CA where it's likely sunny and 80 degrees. Its a bashmillion below zero in MA...no need to be so cranky.