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Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

You're just a priceless piece of work, you are. I can't spend a lot of time analyzing; I'd much prefer stepping back and admiring how special you are.

Someone should ban this troll. Sarcasm does not justify demeaning or rude insults. If he were here to talk football, he'd be doing that instead.
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

Someone should ban this troll. Sarcasm does not justify demeaning or rude insults. If he were here to talk football, he'd be doing that instead.
Oh please.

I've been a poster on this board since 2003, and I've NEVER flamed another poster without being attacked first. In this case, I had the good fortune of someone inventing things that I never said and then asking me to respond to them. I don't know how to answer inanity but with sarcasm. It's nicer than the alternative.
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

SundayJack - all you have done is said that Deus' and ATippet's opinions are garbage and that yours is reality.

Here is reality. You haven't done a damn thing to prove their opinions wrong. You've not backed up anything you've stated.

Here's a news flash for you. The Jets have allowed 19 sacks. That's more than the Pats have allowed. Also, the Pats have allowed only 3 sack in their last 4 games. The Jets? They've allowed 8 sacks in the same time frame.

The Jets aren't nearly as good running to the Left Side B gap as they are running left outside, running to the Right B gap or running to the right outside. I wish the stat sites broke down how they ran to the Left A gap and Right A gap, but they just lump them together.

So, instead of just being a fool who is dancing around with his fingers in his ears, how about you back up what you're saying with fact that can be verified? Or is that asking too much of you?
 
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Someone should ban this troll. Sarcasm does not justify demeaning or rude insults. If he were here to talk football, he'd be doing that instead.
No hes been around here a long time, it took awhile for me to realize he was a jests fan years ago. Ive never found him to be Troll like. Of course back a few years ago the Rats STUNK, so there was no reason to talk them up.
 
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It's nice to have a Jets fan come in here and try to make an intelligent argument and talk football for once.

The one question I would ask you is, between the first game in week 2, and now, how have the Jets improved? I don't watch them as much as you have, obviously so you would have a good feel for how to answer that question.

I, on the other hand, have a good grasp on how the Patriots have improved vastly and plan to detail that in a separate thread. But I would be interested in your opinion. I have asked this question before but it went unanswered, so hopefully you or another Jets fan could answer this.


Well here I am. Back to answer your question. But first...

I opened the thread with opinions, backed by statistics, and have gotten bashed in some responses. Disappointing.

I just want to mention some things I read in reply to my initial post.

A) I goofed up. I didn't see that the Patriots ran for over 100+ yards vs the Steelers. I didn't purposely overlook it, I just didn't see it.

B) Yes the Jets running game has gone down recently with regards to LT and Greene. The Wildcat/Seminole has been a saving grace in regards to that fact.

C) The Jets have more sacks (24) this season, than they had this time last season. The pass rush/blitz/is still there. Thing about it is the sacks are spread out J.Taylor (4), Calvin Pace (3.5), Sean Ellis (3.5), Bryan Thomas (3), David Harris (2)...and so on. They don't have a pass rushing specialist like a Clay Matthews or a Cameron Wake, but they still get their sacks. Calvin Pace on the edge and big body Trevor Price in the middle will new aspects for the Pats O-line to handle.

And now I respond to the question in bold.

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1) Mark Sanchez & Santonio Holmes chemistry: It's not a surprise that once Holmes and Sanchez became familiar on the field Mark Sanchez passing yards have increased. Before Santonio Holmes, Sanchez passed for a pedestrian 177.8 yards per game. After Holmes' arrival that has increased to 251.6 yards per game...a 73.82 passing YPG increase. And although Sanchez does have 8 interceptions in his last 6 games, for the season he does have a 2:1 TD to interception ratio. Not to mention my no. 2 improvement...

2) Comeback wins: 4th quarter & overtime comeback wins vs. Denver, Houston, Cleveland, & Detroit. What do those 4 teams have in common? Yes, they're all sub .500 teams. But they all (as of right now) are ranked higher than the Patriots pass defense which is last in the league. Mark Sanchez passed for an average of 287 vs those defenses. His teammates have more faith in him now more than ever to lead this team. The Patriot defense does not match-up well with the Jets weapons and Sanchez should be able to pass against this defense with ease.

3) Revis helps the secondary. Since Darrelle Revis has returned to 100% following the bye week, QB's are averaging only a 51.6% completion rate, 205 passing yards, and 1 TD per game vs the Jets. The highest completion percentage & passing yards the Jets have allowed all year were to 1 person, Chad Henne, with 59.1 & 363 respectively. The majority of New England passing yards are after the catch, showing no vertical threat. If the Jets tackle well and prevent YAC, they will significantly improve their chances.

Finally I have questions I would like to ask of all Patriot fans out there:

1. Can we all agree that Tom Brady has to play perfectly in order for the Patriots to win games this season? When he hasn't...they've struggled because they're near average everywhere else on the team. Patriot fans are looking at the Sanchez vs Brady match-up to determine who's going to win. But I've demonstrated that not many quarterbacks have done that well vs the Jets this season. Why will Tom Brady have a better shot this time than last time?

2. How will the Patriots get to Sanchez? Patriots have 20 sacks in 11 games, while the Jets have only allowed 19 in 11 games. The Patriots 32nd ranked pass defense says that either you'll have to get after him or you'll give up yardage. Backup Lions QB Shaun Hill passed for 285 yards vs this defense and put up 24 points despite 2 interceptions. That should worry Patriots fans when playing a MUCH better defense in the Jets. The only two times the Jets have lost this season is when they have failed to score touchdowns. What do you expect The Patriot defense to do with regards to the Jets offense in this game?

3. Vegas odds put the Patriots as only 3.5 point favorites vs the Jets. Now, anyone who follows and cares about Vegas odds knows that the home field advantage is worth 3 points. So basically bet makers think that the Jets Pats game is a push. DO you agree or disagree? Why? (I know, I know it sounds like an English comp. question)

4. Last year in New England, Mark Sachez had 4 interceptions and 1 lost fumble in a 31-14 loss. This year he is much more judicious with the football. I've read some posts that think Mark Sanchez will have 3+ interceptions in this game. But unlike Manning and the Colts, you have to respect the running game of the Jets and cannot always tee off on the quarterback expecting a pass most of the time. If Mark Sanchez plays error free football (no picks, no fumbles) what percentage chance do you think the Patriots have of winning?

Thank you for your time. I've got to get a snack.
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

Well here I am. Back to answer your question. But first...

I opened the thread with opinions, backed by statistics, and have gotten bashed in some responses. Disappointing.

I just want to mention some things I read in reply to my initial post.

A) I goofed up. I didn't see that the Patriots ran for over 100+ yards vs the Steelers. I didn't purposely overlook it, I just didn't see it.

B) Yes the Jets running game has gone down recently with regards to LT and Greene. The Wildcat/Seminole has been a saving grace in regards to that fact.

C) The Jets have more sacks (24) this season, than they had this time last season. The pass rush/blitz/is still there. Thing about it is the sacks are spread out J.Taylor (4), Calvin Pace (3.5), Sean Ellis (3.5), Bryan Thomas (3), David Harris (2)...and so on. They don't have a pass rushing specialist like a Clay Matthews or a Cameron Wake, but they still get their sacks. Calvin Pace on the edge and big body Trevor Price in the middle will new aspects for the Pats O-line to handle.

And now I respond to the question in bold.

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1) Mark Sanchez & Santonio Holmes chemistry: It's not a surprise that once Holmes and Sanchez became familiar on the field Mark Sanchez passing yards have increased. Before Santonio Holmes, Sanchez passed for a pedestrian 177.8 yards per game. After Holmes' arrival that has increased to 251.6 yards per game...a 73.82 passing YPG increase. And although Sanchez does have 8 interceptions in his last 6 games, for the season he does have a 2:1 TD to interception ratio. Not to mention my no. 2 improvement...

2) Comeback wins: 4th quarter & overtime comeback wins vs. Denver, Houston, Cleveland, & Detroit. What do those 4 teams have in common? Yes, they're all sub .500 teams. But they all (as of right now) are ranked higher than the Patriots pass defense which is last in the league. Mark Sanchez passed for an average of 287 vs those defenses. His teammates have more faith in him now more than ever to lead this team. The Patriot defense does not match-up well with the Jets weapons and Sanchez should be able to pass against this defense with ease.

3) Revis helps the secondary. Since Darrelle Revis has returned to 100% following the bye week, QB's are averaging only a 51.6% completion rate, 205 passing yards, and 1 TD per game vs the Jets. The highest completion percentage & passing yards the Jets have allowed all year were to 1 person, Chad Henne, with 59.1 & 363 respectively. The majority of New England passing yards are after the catch, showing no vertical threat. If the Jets tackle well and prevent YAC, they will significantly improve their chances.

Finally I have questions I would like to ask of all Patriot fans out there:

1. Can we all agree that Tom Brady has to play perfectly in order for the Patriots to win games this season? When he hasn't...they've struggled because they're near average everywhere else on the team. Patriot fans are looking at the Sanchez vs Brady match-up to determine who's going to win. But I've demonstrated that not many quarterbacks have done that well vs the Jets this season. Why will Tom Brady have a better shot this time than last time?

2. How will the Patriots get to Sanchez? Patriots have 20 sacks in 11 games, while the Jets have only allowed 19 in 11 games. The Patriots 32nd ranked pass defense says that either you'll have to get after him or you'll give up yardage. Backup Lions QB Shaun Hill passed for 285 yards vs this defense and put up 24 points despite 2 interceptions. That should worry Patriots fans when playing a MUCH better defense in the Jets. The only two times the Jets have lost this season is when they have failed to score touchdowns. What do you expect The Patriot defense to do with regards to the Jets offense in this game?

3. Vegas odds put the Patriots as only 3.5 point favorites vs the Jets. Now, anyone who follows and cares about Vegas odds knows that the home field advantage is worth 3 points. So basically bet makers think that the Jets Pats game is a push. DO you agree or disagree? Why? (I know, I know it sounds like an English comp. question)

4. Last year in New England, Mark Sachez had 4 interceptions and 1 lost fumble in a 31-14 loss. This year he is much more judicious with the football. I've read some posts that think Mark Sanchez will have 3+ interceptions in this game. But unlike Manning and the Colts, you have to respect the running game of the Jets and cannot always tee off on the quarterback expecting a pass most of the time. If Mark Sanchez plays error free football (no picks, no fumbles) what percentage chance do you think the Patriots have of winning?

Thank you for your time. I've got to get a snack.


If you can't be bothered to address the things brought up that blew apart your initial post, why should people bother to listen to anything else you have? Seriously. You just glossed over everything.

Not to mention that your statement about Brady having to be "perfect" for the Pats to win is complete and utter BS. Brady has been less than perfect in games and the Pats still won.
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

If you can't be bothered to address the things brought up that blew apart your initial post, why should people bother to listen to anything else you have? Seriously. You just glossed over everything.

Not to mention that your statement about Brady having to be "perfect" for the Pats to win is complete and utter BS. Brady has been less than perfect in games and the Pats still won.

Patriots won vs. Baltimore this year and I remember Brady having a very subpar game. While the Jets may have a comparable defense to Balt, I'd contend that Balt has a much better offense with Flacco, Rice, Boldin and Mason.
 
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You're just a priceless piece of work, you are. I can't spend a lot of time analyzing; I'd much prefer stepping back and admiring how special you are.
Just like most Jets Fans, simply arrogant and pompous! At least as a Patriots fan, I can ADMIT where the Patriots weaknesses are on the 45 man game day roster.
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

EIFMP -
Something to think about, if you can actually be bothered.

The Patriots are 9-2 DESPITE having the "wost pass defense" in the league. Not only that, they are have the BEST OFFENSE in the league in terms of POINTS SCORED. And that includes if you subtract out the points scored by special teams and the defense.

Where are the Jets in terms of points scored? Oh yes, the Jets are 10th.

Something else of note. The Pats have 13 rushing TDs compared to the Jets 9. And 23 receiving TDs compared to the Jets 17.

Oh.. One last thing. Before you go emphasizing the fact that Detroit put up 24 points on the Pats, you probably should remember that they put up 20 on the Jets and probably would have won that game had they not lost Hanson. And Shaun Hill isn't some $5/hr scrub that has never thrown a football. He's a proven back-up in the NFL.
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

Legendary!

What's your record for flying in to games from China? Was it last year you attended a Patriots win?

In 2009 I was 2-0. In 2008 I was 1-1 (saw the Jets win in Foxboro :mad:). In 2007 I was 2-1. You can probably figure out what that loss was.

So 5-2 overall. Praying for 6-2 after next week!
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

How do you beat almost every good team in the NFL and not qualify for this stat?

We've beaten Chargers, # 1 ranked offense and defense IN San Diego.We've beaten the Ravens already. We've beaten Pittsburgh IN Pitt. Honestly, I think the Steelers are better than Jets as a total team. As a matter of fact, I'm sure the Jets have already marked that game down as a loss. Sanchez cannot and will not do what Brady did.

Why does Sanchez need to do what Brady did to win the game vs the Steelers? Brady had 350 Yards and 3 TD's. But with the Jets defense being very potent, maybe Sanchez only needs 225 yards and 2TD's. So what you're saying is that Ryan Fitzpatrick can be thisclose to winning vs Pittsburgh, but Sanchez will automatically lose because he's not Tom Brady? What other QB in NFL HISTORY is Tom Brady!?!?!? But a 2nd year QB who cannot compare to the 21st greatest player in NFL history will fail automatically!?!? Again, why does Sanchez have to be Tom Brady? He doesn't! Sanchez does not have to be Tom Brady. He is not now, nor will he ever be, equal or better than Tom Brady. But he doesn't have to be Tom Brady to be successful in the NFL.

The Patriots need Tom Brady to excellent this season for them to win games. The same does not go of Mark Sanchez, they just need him to be good. That's it. It is for this reason that, I think, the Jets are a more complete team than the Patriots. I think too many Patriots fans compare Sanchez to Brady and not the Jets to the Patriots.

As for the Steelers:

The Steelers have the 22nd ranked pass defense in the NFL. And, believe it or not, they are statistically ranked lower than the Jets in scoring average, offensive yards per game, passing yards per game, and rushing yards per game. Better than the Jets huh? I don't think you're objective enough to make that call. The Steelers are 1st in rush defense, the Jets are 4th. Steelers are 3rd in points allowed per game, the Jets are 4th. The Steelers are 5th in yards allowed overall...the Jets are 4th. So if anyone is better, it's the Jets.
 
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At least the OP isn't a Jets ballwashing one sided bozo like this guy

Jets will win in New England Monday Night! | NJ.com
Just a heads up for anybody that follows the link; it's a blog written by a Jets fan, not a column by an actual writer employed by the paper. For those that don't want to credit him with a click, here's a summary.

His "analysis" is almost solely predicated on his idea that the Pats cannot run the ball. Once again the effect of fantasy football warps fans perception of real football. There's a difference between a team not having a fantasy football star at RB, and the team's overall ability to run the ball. He neglects to not that the Pats are averaging just about the same yards per carry as the Jets this year, or that Football Outsiders ranks the Pats running game ahead of the Jets; household names are all that counts.

Next he ticks off the WR and TE options (though his omission of Gronkowski from that list should tell you how little he knows) and concludes all can be effectively covered one on one, leaving seven blitzers to confound Brady. Maybe I was wrong about too much fantasy football impacting fans' outlook on real football; the real culprit is apparently Madden video games.

Aside from the ridiculous assertion that "the Pats are a one-dimensional offense anyway (they can’t run the ball)," he also contends the Pats have problems on offense now without Randy Moss. If that doesn't makes it obvious he hasn't seen the Pats play then his comments on Pats formations seals it; he thinks the Pats "may try to bring in a 2 TE set", as if the Pats come out with 3 or more WR on every snap.

Finally, every other sentence is followed with an exclamation point, like a pom-pom waving cheerleader figuratively jumping in the air to try and get the readers pumped up.

In summary, save yourself some time and sanity and don't click on the link.
 
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If you can't be bothered to address the things brought up that blew apart your initial post, why should people bother to listen to anything else you have? Seriously. You just glossed over everything.

Not to mention that your statement about Brady having to be "perfect" for the Pats to win is complete and utter BS. Brady has been less than perfect in games and the Pats still won.


Elaborate please.
 
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The Patriots need Tom Brady to excellent this season for them to win games.

This has been shown to be untrue time and again throughout this thread. The Ravens, Chargers, and Dolphins games all say "hi". This is just as inaccurate as us saying that the Jets have needed every team they have played to fall apart in the fourth quarter in order for them to win games.
 
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SundayJack - all you have done is said that Deus' and ATippet's opinions are garbage and that yours is reality.

Here is reality. You haven't done a damn thing to prove their opinions wrong. You've not backed up anything you've stated.

Here's a news flash for you. The Jets have allowed 19 sacks. That's more than the Pats have allowed. Also, the Pats have allowed only 3 sack in their last 4 games. The Jets? They've allowed 8 sacks in the same time frame.

The Jets aren't nearly as good running to the Left Side B gap as they are running left outside, running to the Right B gap or running to the right outside. I wish the stat sites broke down how they ran to the Left A gap and Right A gap, but they just lump them together.

So, instead of just being a fool who is dancing around with his fingers in his ears, how about you back up what you're saying with fact that can be verified? Or is that asking too much of you?
No. All I did with Deus is ask him to justify the term "sucks" he pinned on Matt Slauson in light of a whole gaggle of unsucky stats. So, no, I didn't say that his opinion was garbage. I just asked him for something more. And I think that's fair. I didn't offer much of an opinion at all, except to admit that Slauson IS the weak link on the line.

But, if I popped on here and announced: "I've seen Alge Crumpler in every game, and he sucks because he only has three receptions!" I would immediately have two dozen posters pointing out all sorts of niceties about his role on the team; his leadership; someone might even quote from that nice Globe puff piece of a week or so ago; someone else would point out how he was made a captain. The burden would then be on me to support a bold and bald statement. Getmypoint?

ATippet's just somewhere in left field. I didn't say anything about his opinion being wrong because he had no opinion at all. Just some sort of weirdguy question. He began with "If the Jets are so awesome at every position, then how did they lose two games?" Or some such lunacy. First, I never made the statement underlying his question; and second, well, uh, is that a real question? Whyever would it be?
 
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Yes, yes, we ALLLLLL know that statistics won't give us the entire picture. And punctuating it with, "as anyone who knows the game" doesn't add very much. I'm sorry - this is just sloppy.

Or, maybe it's that we have different internal definitions of "sucks." What would be acceptable to support this bold premise is . . . something. Even something anecdotal. Something that may have caught your eye during the course of watching nearly every game. A good example would be to say something like, "Pat Williams ate Slauson alive," or "Slauson was mugging Ngata and Haloti still owned him." That latter one might even have the benefit of being true.

The kicker is, I'm not even asking you to be right. I'm just asking you to bring something more than bald pronouncements to the table.

1.) I'm not the one who made the claims. That was the O.P.. I simply disagreed with him. Why the hell should I be the one supplying proof? Hell, I've already corrected his mistake regarding the Steelers.

2.) AGAIN, you can't break down a line solely on statistics. We knew that Connolly wasn't getting the job done at LG because the Patriots were calling defenses that had both Light and Koppen doing extra duty in order to cover for Connolly. It also helped that Connolly got benched during a game. But, mostly, we knew because we watched him play. To be fair to you on this point, there were a whole lot of people here who were buying into the "Connolly's doing a really good job!" line up until he got benched, and some kept it up even after that.

3.) I've seen every Jets game this year, save one. I've watched Slauson play. He sucks. In an article from October 29, people where going to the kneepads for him, but he was admitting to problems, and the article points to what I'm saying:

Slauson said he also struggled with reacting to the different players he'd face each week instead of making them react to him.

The Jets would also use blocking schemes that would free someone up to help Slauson. Now, for the most part, he's on his own.

Jets' Slauson goes from 'scared' to solid starter - WTVM.com and WTVM News Leader 9, Columbus, GA |

So, there's both him and the Jets noting his struggles, and noting that he was still getting bailouts at the end of October.

His struggles in November were being blamed on a knee/quad issue, but were even being acknowledged by Jets fans. Here's some stuff posted on/about November 23:

Slauson’s mobility is clearly still compromised by his knee.

I agree that Slauson looks to be playing hurt.

Slauson definitely struggled, but as Bent suggested, you have to think the knee/quad is causing some issues for him and his mobility.

Well, and the Browns game, but that’s the same excuse.

http://www.thejetsblog.com/2010/11/23/damien-woody-strained-his-mcl/

Now, if you have further issues, take it up with the OP, Slauson, the Jets, and your fellow Jets fans. It's not my fault that Slauson sucks. It's the Jets fault that they cut Faneca before they had a ready replacement.
 
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2) Danny's impact: Will Danny Woodhead and the Patriot running game have an impact in the game vs the Jets? The stats say 'no' he would not. The Jets are the NFL's 4th best rush defense: The Patriots have faced two teams ranked higher: The Chargers (3rd) and the Steelers (1st). They both held the Patriots rushing attack under 100+ yards.
Please tell me the end result of Chargers and Steelers games. Did the Patriots beat the Chargers and the Steelers or lose to the Chargers and Steelers?
 
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EIFMP -
Something to think about, if you can actually be bothered.

The Patriots are 9-2 DESPITE having the "wost pass defense" in the league. Not only that, they are have the BEST OFFENSE in the league in terms of POINTS SCORED. And that includes if you subtract out the points scored by special teams and the defense.

Where are the Jets in terms of points scored? Oh yes, the Jets are 10th.

Something else of note. The Pats have 13 rushing TDs compared to the Jets 9. And 23 receiving TDs compared to the Jets 17.

Oh.. One last thing. Before you go emphasizing the fact that Detroit put up 24 points on the Pats, you probably should remember that they put up 20 on the Jets and probably would have won that game had they not lost Hanson. And Shaun Hill isn't some $5/hr scrub that has never thrown a football. He's a proven back-up in the NFL.

20 with Matthew Stafford does not equal 24 with Shaun Hill. He's not a scrub, Shaun Hill. Not saying that. Also, Hanson was only in for 2 series. I doubt Shaun Hill would've moved the ball down the field with only 2 series to work with since Stafford only did it 3 times in 12 offensive possesions.

I do note the Patriots passing proficiency. However I also note that the Jets this season have not allowed such proficiency. The Patriots do see have more rushing touchdowns than the Jets. No response to that one.
 
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But, if I popped on here and announced: "I've seen Alge Crumpler in every game, and he sucks because he only has three receptions!" I would immediately have two dozen posters pointing out all sorts of niceties about his role on the team; his leadership; someone might even quote from that nice Globe puff piece of a week or so ago; someone else would point out how he was made a captain. The burden would then be on me to support a bold and bald statement. Getmypoint?

See, you're wrong again. If you made those comments about Crumpler after someone had been claiming that Crumpler still a good player, we'd tell you that you obviously weren't watching the Patriots play, because Crumpler is the blocking tight end, Gronkowski is the all-around tight end, and Hernandez is the pass-catching tight end. We'd tell you that Crumpler has turned into a very good blocker. We might point to an ESPN article on the subject:

Sturdy Crumpler comfortable with role, weight - AFC South Blog - ESPN

and follow that up with a story from the Boston Globe

Pro Crumpler - The Boston Globe

We might do that, but we wouldn't be complaining about a lack of 'facts' and then countering that with "young" or "old" as if that was all the explanation needed. Or, at least, I'd hope we wouldn't be doing that.
 
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Just for clarification:

1. Jets record vs. top teams (Ravens, Patriots, Packers): 1-2
2. Patriots record vs. top teams (Jets, Ravens, Chargers, Steelers, Colts): 4-1

If anything, it shouldn't be Jets fans making claims that the Patriots haven't proven that they can beat top teams. The Patriots have more than proven that they can. If anything, it should be the other way around.
 
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