Refs blow call by overturning White's reception.

what was more obvious was the PI on LaFell's long incompletion

upstater1 said:

But there was no shot of the heel touching the line anywhere. In fact, one of the shots (in motion, not stopped) in the game thread showed pretty clearly that his heel did not touch.

The review guys this year are back at the NFL offices. Which is a policy that reeks.

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This is my take. I never saw any part of his foot touch white.

GrogansArmy said:

Yeah I didn't get why that was overturned either. I've seen many times a receiver catch a ball with both toes in bounds then when he falls over the heels are out of bounds and its considered a catch. How was this any different?

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Because it's the Patriots and the review comes out of the NFL offices in New York.
There was no conclusive evidence he was out of bounds so there was zero justification to overrule the on-field ruling.
Just another shady "judgment" call.

Think long and hard you folks who deride the idea that the league office has a bias against the Pats. Subtle or not so subtle "reviews" by the NYJFL offices in New York.
I watched every replay on a 60" screen up close. Every shot had green, not white under the heel.
No shot had the ball being juggled.
What ever happened to "incontrovertible" evidence needed to overturn a call on the field?

heavyde050 said:

Also, I do not know how many more games I can listen to Chris Collinsworth. He is usually wrong and his contempt for the Patriots is insufferable.

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I'm sure there were countless other incidents, but one that caught my ear was in the 2nd half when the Pats were on offense, where Collinsworth began saying something to the effect of "you know, at this point considering all they have had to endure".

My mind made the leap that he was going to make a point about how difficult it had to be for the Pats to be able to be ahead with all of the injuries that their offense, and team in general, has endured, but he proceeded to laud the Texans defense in how well they had been able to hold down the Pats, but their own offense wasn't giving them any help.

It was quite obvious which way their rooting interests lie.

Both Texans challenges should have lost. The rule is indisputable/conclusive proof the on field call was wrong, that wasn't the case last night.

I was going to make a post like this but it's better to just put it here. The refs were bad last night no question but I honestly felt they were way worse to the Texans. If you are gonna call unessasary roughness on their LT making sure his guy stays down (a bs call IMO) then you sure as **** need to call it on Collins when a play earlier he could have given his guy a simple push out of bounds but instead choose to pull him backwards and give him a reverse body slam. If you are gonna be bad at least be bad consistently to both teams, it's all I ask.

pazrul72 said:

If you are gonna be bad at least be bad consistently to both teams, it's all I ask.

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Jeff Triplette. Enough said.

DaBruinz said:

This will be one that the Pats send in, for sure..

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I'm sure the gestapo in the NFL office will listen

I thought the amendola catch was inconclusive as well. The ball looked to have bounced off his finger.
Millions of people watch the game and listen to the commentators, and to not make negative headlines I'm sure the blandino goes with that he hears on tv to base any less obvious calls.
I'm just glad we won but what I love seeing is recievers fighting for the ball.

You could change the thread title to "Refs blow call by reporting for duty".

pazrul72 said:

I was going to make a post like this but it's better to just put it here. The refs were bad last night no question but I honestly felt they were way worse to the Texans. If you are gonna call unessasary roughness on their LT making sure his guy stays down (a bs call IMO) then you sure as **** need to call it on Collins when a play earlier he could have given his guy a simple push out of bounds but instead choose to pull him backwards and give him a reverse body slam. If you are gonna be bad at least be bad consistently to both teams, it's all I ask.

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I disagree with you on both counts here.

It is not wrong at all for an OL to dive on a player on the ground. But Brown actually speared Easley with his helmet. It was unnecessary roughness.

The body slam was not illegal at all since the whistle hadn't blown and forward progress hadn't stopped, nor did he drop him on his head. A defender has every right to do what Collins did.

The really bad call on the Texans was the JJ Watt late hit on Brady. I thought it was ticky-tack and could have been huge if that were an incompletion. It didn't hurt the Texans though because it was assessed on kickoff. Still, I don't think it was roughing.

Also, Hoyer was hit in the head (accidentally) on the Ninkovich sack, so there were two bad calls against the Texans, but I disagree on the ones that you point out.

The two holding calls against Trey Jackson were just pure junk, as the Texans were tackling the Patriot defenders at the line. They didn't replay the Logan Ryan hold, but a 25 yard completion to Keyshawn Martin was taken away by a hold on Jackson, and he didn't come near to holding.

The Brandon Five said:

You could change the thread title to "Refs blow call by reporting for duty".

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But again, it wasn't the refs. It was Blandino.

Angelpats said:

I thought the amendola catch was inconclusive as well. The ball looked to have bounced off his finger.
Millions of people watch the game and listen to the commentators, and to not make negative headlines I'm sure the blandino goes with that he hears on tv to base any less obvious calls.
I'm just glad we won but what I love seeing is recievers fighting for the ball.

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The problem was that on both plays, White and Amendola, NBC only showed the best angle once. On one angle down the line from the Texans endzone, it showed that White's heel never touched. That angle was only shown once. On the Amendola catch, they repeatedly showed shots from behind and in front, and those were inconclusive. But on the sideline angle, the ball's nose touched the ground a split second and maybe an inch before reaching Amendola's hand.

upstater1 said:

I disagree with you on both counts here.

It is not wrong at all for an OL to dive on a player on the ground. But Brown actually speared Easley with his helmet. It was unnecessary roughness.

The body slam was not illegal at all since the whistle hadn't blown and forward progress hadn't stopped, nor did he drop him on his head. A defender has every right to do what Collins did.

The really bad call on the Texans was the JJ Watt late hit on Brady. I thought it was ticky-tack and could have been huge if that were an incompletion. It didn't hurt the Texans though because it was assessed on kickoff. Still, I don't think it was roughing.

Also, Hoyer was hit in the head (accidentally) on the Ninkovich sack, so there were two bad calls against the Texans, but I disagree on the ones that you point out.

The two holding calls against Trey Jackson were just pure junk, as the Texans were tackling the Patriot defenders at the line. They didn't replay the Logan Ryan hold, but a 25 yard completion to Keyshawn Martin was taken away by a hold on Jackson, and he didn't come near to holding.

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I did not see him spear Easley but I am going off memory of watching it live so it's possible I missed it. I just remember being like really? Since when is it not ok to make sure your beautiful pancake block stays blocked? I didn't think Collins tackle was illegal just unnessasary as ****. A simple push and he was going out of bounds. He dragged him back into the field and body slammed him. It made me cringe and, despite wearing a Collins jersey cuz I love the beast, look for a flag. Glad there was not one just saying if you are not going to call that then you shouldn't call ticky tack **** on the Texans. 100% agree on the roughing the passer on JJ he was going for the tackle 2 steps away from Brady when he threw the ball, no way he could have stopped himself. If he had been 3 steps away I would agree with the call but his head was already down and not watching Brady throw. I felt bad for hoyer, he got the #%*^ beat out of him all game long. Not just how often or how hard he was getting hit but the way he was being spun around and slammed to the ground, just vicious to watch and yeah there probably could have been a few penalties. Again if you are gonna call JJ's then you need to protect hoyer too. All I ask for is consistency. If you suck, suck for both teams equally in the same areas. The refs sucked last night but IMO they sucked to the Texans worse

upstater1 said:

But there was no shot of the heel touching the line anywhere. In fact, one of the shots (in motion, not stopped) in the game thread showed pretty clearly that his heel did not touch.

The review guys this year are back at the NFL offices. Which is a policy that reeks.

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You make it sound like they blew a completely obvious call but it was as close as it gets:



Even in motion I have to say that I didn't see any conclusive evidence either way. Which is the reason why I wouldn't have overturned the call. But I have no idea what kind of picture quality the refs/NY has in their review system because the zoom you see on the broadcast pictures makes everything pretty grainy.

The Amendola catch was similarly close:



and actually might have been correctly overturned. I know his hand was also around the ball but in that shot it looks to me like the ball hits part of the ground at the same time.


There are many reasons to complain about ref decisions this year but those two were the least offensive if you ask me.

You see green grains under the heel
NO grounds to overturn

upstater1 said:

Also, Hoyer was hit in the head (accidentally) on the Ninkovich sack, so there were two bad calls against the Texans, but I disagree on the ones that you point out.

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You mean that's a penalty? Who knew?

luuked said:

You make it sound like they blew a completely obvious call but it was as close as it gets:



Even in motion I have to say that I didn't see any conclusive evidence either way. Which is the reason why I wouldn't have overturned the call. But I have no idea what kind of picture quality the refs/NY has in their review system because the zoom you see on the broadcast pictures makes everything pretty grainy.

The Amendola catch was similarly close:



and actually might have been correctly overturned. I know his hand was also around the ball but in that shot it looks to me like the ball hits part of the ground at the same time.


There are many reasons to complain about ref decisions this year but those two were the least offensive if you ask me.

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Please, show me where his heel touched.

Come on!

upstater1 said:

The body slam was not illegal at all since the whistle hadn't blown and forward progress hadn't stopped, nor did he drop him on his head. A defender has every right to do what Collins did.

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Here's the play...


Collins got stiff armed and grabbed the shirt to make the tackle. Nothing dirty about it.