Realistic compensation for Ryan Mallet?

AzPatsFan said:

Get with the program. The going rate for groomed backup QBs is even higher than that. The days of sub-million dollar backup QBs are long gone.

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Brian Hoyer says "Hi"

(oops - sorry, he's a starter. The days of sub-million dollar starters continues - but the days of sub-million dollar backup QBs are long gone. Speaking of which - how much are the Patriots paying Mallet?)

JoeSixPat said:

Brian Hoyer says "Hi"

(oops - sorry, he's a starter. The days of sub-million dollar starters continues - but the days of sub-million dollar backup QBs are long gone. Speaking of which - how much are the Patriots paying Mallet?)

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I liked Hoyer more than Mallet.

Nunchucks said:

I liked Hoyer more than Mallet.

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Me too - but I think Belichick's assessment is that ultimately both were JAGs

Better to free a roster space and cut a guy than keep multiple JAGs

Using a 2nd rounder on a rookie QB suggests that Mallet too is assessed as a JAG - and Belichick's fellow GMs have likely taken note

Which, by the estimation of some, means he's looking at a $4 million a year payday

JoeSixPat said:

Me too - but I think Belichick's assessment is that ultimately both were JAGs

Better to free a roster space and cut a guy than keep multiple JAGs

Using a 2nd rounder on a rookie QB suggests that Mallet too is assessed as a JAG - and Belichick's fellow GMs have likely taken note

Which, by the estimation of some, means he's looking at a $4 million a year payday

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No us drafting a QB does not mean that Mallett is a JAG. It might just as well(and more likely) mean that BB does not think that Mallett will stick around and instead go to a team where he can actually compete for a QB spot next year.

JoeSixPat said:

Brian Hoyer says "Hi"

(oops - sorry, he's a starter. The days of sub-million dollar starters continues - but the days of sub-million dollar backup QBs are long gone. Speaking of which - how much are the Patriots paying Mallet?)

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That is one of his attractive qualities,

My bad. I read "Realistic" in the thread title and assumed it meant realistic unproven JAG backup QB salaries not top quartile backup salaries. Silly me.

HOU seems to be out of the picture. They have had a fine draft. They have Fitzpatrick competing at QB with Savage, Keenun and Yates.

If Polo looks good enough, the patriots will cut Mallett or trade him to a team that needs a #3 QB or #2 QB replacing an injured QB late in camp.

This is probably the year that the pats keep 3 qbs on the roster. Well, at least until someone's qb goes down....

some magic beans would be enough?

JoeSixPat said:

But to state that NFL backup QBs with no starting experience "easily get $3 million a season" is just more of the same type of fan overhype we saw with Michael Bishop - who many thought should be starting ahead of both Bledsoe AND Brady - and then was subsequently cut by Belichick - followed by being cut by the CFL

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Posters here continue to mix up the 2 categories:

1. Backups/starting caliber QBs on teams who have no solidified opening day starter such as Mike Vick, Ryan Fitzpatrick, etc

2. The other 90% of the NFL's backups who get peanuts, such as what you're suggesting

There seems to be a popular misconception that all of a sudden the going rate for backup QBs in in the 3+ million dollar range, and that simply isn't true.



Just looking at the AFC alone:

EAST

NEP--Ryan Mallett
BUF--Thad Lewis
MIA--Matt Moore
NYJ--Mike Vick/Geno Smith (the exception that falls into category 1)

NORTH

PIT--Gradkowski
CLE--Hoyer/Manziel doesn't matter
CIN--Josh Johnson 2013/AJ McCarron
BAL--Tyrod Taylor

SOUTH

IND--Hasselbeck 1.75m for 2014
JAX--Stanzi
HOU--Keenum
TEN--Whitehurst

WEST

DEN--Osweiler
KC---Daniel 2.35m for 2014 (could be considered one of the exceptions out of 16 AFC teams)
SD---Clemons
OAK--McGloin


So, after examining all 16 AFC teams, it's obviously pretty apparent that at least 14, maybe 15 of them have backups that are playing for peanuts--meaning that you're not really wrong...

This suddden need to have a resolution RIGHT NOW means people are willing to, quite illogically, deal our best known commodity at back-up QB for peanuts.

And by best known, I mean from Belichicks perspective, not ours.

It appears as if no team is willing to cough up a 2nd rounder or whatever compensation Belichick would require to get Mallett - so he'll be on the team this year.

Mallets value will likely be determined by a combination of his value in the FA market next year and his performance once he joins a team.

If all goes well, and Mallet can tap into his undoubted talent - then we are in-line for a 3rd/4th round compensatory pick - very good business for the Patriots.

People want to build these guys up to unrealistic levels - and when they don't achieve that they tear them down like jilted lovers.

Mallet will be #2 or #3 this year and then he'll be gone - I wish him well.

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Posters here continue to mix up the 2 categories:

1. Backups/starting caliber QBs on teams who have no solidified opening day starter such as Mike Vick, Ryan Fitzpatrick, etc

2. The other 90% of the NFL's backups who get peanuts, such as what you're suggesting

There seems to be a popular misconception that all of a sudden the going rate for backup QBs in in the 3+ million dollar range, and that simply isn't true.



Just looking at the AFC alone:

EAST

NEP--Ryan Mallett
BUF--Thad Lewis
MIA--Matt Moore
NYJ--Mike Vick/Geno Smith (the exception that falls into category 1)

NORTH

PIT--Gradkowski
CLE--Hoyer/Manziel doesn't matter
CIN--Josh Johnson 2013/AJ McCarron
BAL--Tyrod Taylor

SOUTH

IND--Hasselbeck 1.75m for 2014
JAX--Stanzi
HOU--Keenum
TEN--Whitehurst

WEST

DEN--Osweiler
KC---Daniel 2.35m for 2014 (could be considered one of the exceptions out of 16 AFC teams)
SD---Clemons
OAK--McGloin


So, after examining all 16 AFC teams, it's obviously pretty apparent that at least 14, maybe 15 of them have backups that are playing for peanuts--meaning that you're not really wrong...

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Exactly

So look at the top paid backup QBs in the league. There's probably about 5 at most who are in the $3 million plus range. Everyone else is in the Brian Hoyer (who actually is more or less the starter) category of under a million.

In pretty much EVERY case the top paid backups are veterans with starting experience on a team with serious question marks about the starting QB

Mallet, on the other hand, has no starting experience.

So to suggest that if he's cut by the Patriots, or allowed to go to free agency next year, that he will instantly fall into the class of veteran backup QBs and "easily" get $3 million a season (or more) is just delusional - as is the thought that a team is going to offer a valuable draft pick to trade him now

It's Michael Bishop all over again. I wish Mallet the best, but expending a 2nd round pick on a backup QB isn't exactly the endorsement of confidence in Mallet that some seem to think it is.

JoeSixPat said:

Exactly

So look at the top paid backup QBs in the league. There's probably about 5 at most who are in the $3 million plus range. Everyone else is in the Brian Hoyer (who actually is more or less the starter) category of under a million.

In pretty much EVERY case the top paid backups are veterans with starting experience on a team with serious question marks about the starting QB

Mallet, on the other hand, has no starting experience.

So to suggest that if he's cut by the Patriots, or allowed to go to free agency next year, that he will instantly fall into the class of veteran backup QBs and "easily" get $3 million a season (or more) is just delusional - as is the thought that a team is going to offer a valuable draft pick to trade him now

It's Michael Bishop all over again. I wish Mallet the best, but expending a 2nd round pick on a backup QB isn't exactly the endorsement of confidence in Mallet that some seem to think it is.

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It's difficult for me to try and project what kind of contract Mallett will sign, but if I had to choose, I would certainly lean towards your thinking that it is far from written in stone that he's going to just show up and have a 3-4m dollar per year pact handed to him.

At any rate, the point was to show that the majority of backup QBs aren't making nearly what some here continue to say they are. Just to give everyone some idea of the market, Brandon Weeden is in the top 10 highest paid backup QBs for 2014...and he's still only making 2 million dollars.

I'm not sure why some are suddenly assuming that the new market for backup QBs is in the 4-5 million dollar range, when a very small percentage are making that kind of money due to their specific teams' piss poor starting QB situations? The high majority of backup QBs do not make nearly the kind of money that some here are trying to claim.

Fact is this: There are a few isolated examples of backups getting millions, but to count on such a thing for Mallett is foolhardy.

You don't keep a guy on your roster because you want that 5th round compensatory pick 2 years later. You keep him because he fills a role you need filled. Mallett may indeed by here come September, but it will only be because Belichick sees him as the best option at #2.

Your mother

PatsChamp88 said:

Your mother

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You obviously have not met my mother, PC88.

I guarantee you that my mother would do nothing but hold up any and all contract negotiations, and would hinder the entire process. She would have Mallett, Bill O'Brien, and Belichick all running over each other for the closest psychiatrist with the quickness.

Mallett worth is one andre johnson.

As bradys understudy he is worth a third. He hasn't shown anything to b worth more. Then take that third,pack it with our#2 n trade for an established complete wr b4 the trade deadline. Somebody say at least the caliber of a healthy Jeremy maclin. I really liked marquise Lee. If the qb play is good he is hitting the NFL like a tornado. I liked him as much as Watkins.

Gymrat said:

As bradys understudy he is worth a third. He hasn't shown anything to b worth more. Then take that third,pack it with our#2 n trade for an established complete wr b4 the trade deadline. Somebody say at least the caliber of a healthy Jeremy maclin. I really liked marquise Lee. If the qb play is good he is hitting the NFL like a tornado. I liked him as much as Watkins.

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We need a Mallet draft pick porn forum

JoeSixPat said:

Me too - but I think Belichick's assessment is that ultimately both were JAGs

Better to free a roster space and cut a guy than keep multiple JAGs

Using a 2nd rounder on a rookie QB suggests that Mallet too is assessed as a JAG - and Belichick's fellow GMs have likely taken note

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while you might infer that, it certainly doesn't suggest it, and I think it's pretty unlikely actual gm's share your opinions