Brady should fight for Moss!

[mgteich]

Re: Brady should fight for Moss !

Run that by me again. First, please post the 2006 ranking of the offense. Then please note that we added Morris and Stallworth and Welker and Washington. Certainly if Moss weren't there, Stallworth and Washington would have had more reps and more catches. Gaffney would also have seen more action.

What leads you to this conclusion? They were the best offense in the history of the game last season because of Randy Moss. The season before, it was a real struggle for Brady, and I think we now he was not happy with the situation. If they had had Moss one season earlier, they'd have one more Super Bowl ring right now.

 

[sieglo]

Re: Brady should fight for Moss !

I for one will be pretty mortified if Moss lands anywhere but Gillette.

 

[Keegs]

if any of you stop rooting for this team if Moss leaves than you are losers and i really hope i never wasted any of my time responding to any of your posts or reading the crap you type.

I mean, not that my responses are usually good or anything, but i think it's pathetic.

 

[Xzibit23]

Re: Brady should fight for Moss !

Run that by me again. First, please post the 2006 ranking of the offense. The please note that we added Morris and Stallworth and Welker and Washington. Certainly if Moss weren't there, Stallworth and Washington would have had more reps and more catches.

Welker would've had nowhere near 112 catches without Moss. Of course there's no way to prove that, but understanding how Moss opens up the field for Brady and the other WRs isnt Rocket science. The guy had 23 TDs...you dont argue around that, i'm sorry. You dont say player A or B would've had more catches or picked up the slack without Moss.. you dont. Look up the highest # of TDs Brady had thrown to one receiver prior to Moss and rethink that theory. I'll say it again..TWENTY THREE TDs. Was he the only reason the offense improved from the year before?? No. Was he the biggest reason? Yes, by far.

 

[Satchboogie3]

Re: Brady should fight for Moss !

Run that by me again. First, please post the 2006 ranking of the offense. The please note that we added Morris and Stallworth and Welker and Washington. Certainly if Moss weren't there, Stallworth and Washington would have had more reps and more catches.

First, Morris got hurt in week 6, Stallworth didn't much in the second half of the season, in fact, Gaffney took a majority of the snaps in his place. Welker was great in the slot, but he has NEVER had production like that before, so I think its pretty safe to say that Moss had a HUGE impact on him getting open.

What did Washington do on offense? Oh yeah, NOTHING, he never took a snap on offense.

Then you have Randy Moss. 1493 yds, 98 rec, 23TD. Hmm, so Moss accounted for almost 1/2 of Brady's 50TD passes.

Oh yeah, and then we have Tom Brady.
Here is his average season numbers based on 2001-2006:
62.0 Com%, 3593 yds, 24.5 TD, 4.8 TD%, 13 INT, 2.6 INT%, 88.5 Rating

Now 2007:
68.9 Com%, 4806 yds, 50 TD, 8.7 TD%, 8 INT, 1.4 INT%, 117.2 Rating.

That is a RIDICULOUS jump in production. Welker alone doesn't explain that. Welker has done NOTHING prior to NE to make anyone believe he would have even half as good a season without Moss. Stallworth only accounted for 3 TD and 697 yds. That jump in production is ALL Moss.

But in case your still not realizing this.
Most Points In A Season:
589 - 2007 NE Patriots *Randy Moss
556 - 1998 MIN Vikings *Randy Moss

or
589 - 2007 NE Patriots*Randy Moss
385 - 2006 NE Patriots
379 - 2005 NE Patriots
437 - 2004 NE Patriots*Cory Dillion
348 - 2004 Ne Patriots

Or how about look at Randle Cunningham, Randy Moss's QB in the 1998 record setting season. Unbelievable, in the one full season he played with Moss, he BLEW away his career averages. Certainly no coincidence, huh.

 

[Ring 6]

If the Pats are trying to low ball Moss, Brady should step in and fight for
Moss.

If I was Brady I would tell them to sign Moss or I will be looking to be the
highest paid QB when my contract is up.

Then again..... I am not Brady.

I am just a frustrated season ticket holder who thinks the idea of losing Moss would be far worse than the 32% increase in the price of my season tickets.

Thankfully, Brady thinks like a team player and understands that personal decisions are beyond hi sjob description, and works for the team that makes the best ones in the league.

 

[PatsFanJess]

Re: Brady should fight for Moss !

I am glad that we are not in charge of the Pats. It seems that many people here are in favor of getting Moss regardless of what he wants.

Now I do not know why they did not franchise him. Maybe they felt he was not worth the money paid to a franchised WR.

What we all know is that the Pats set a value for a player. That value might be less then other teams but is usually fair/realistic. Many players get more money from other teams and do not live up to the new paycheck.

I believe that whatever price they have decided Moss is worth will be fair but not as much as other teams will pay for him. With that said I believe the price for Moss has nothing to do letting other WRs go. That would be bad business. This idea that we need to sign Moss to a fat contract mainly because we already cut Gaff and Stallworth is not very sound.

I certainly would like to see him back, but,I believe that if he does not come back then some other team over paid for him.

When did this happen? Bc I dont recall it.

 

[Ring 6]

Re: Brady should fight for Moss !

What leads you to this conclusion? They were the best offense in the history of the game last season because of Randy Moss. The season before, it was a real struggle for Brady, and I think we now he was not happy with the situation. If they had had Moss one season earlier, they'd have one more Super Bowl ring right now.

We 'now' that Brady wasnt happy with WHAT situation? Getting to 1 minute from the SB?

Explain how you know we would have one more ring? We've had Moss one year and have no rings. How does that guarantee we would have won one the year before?

 

[mgteich]

Re: Brady should fight for Moss !

Would Brady have blew away his career average with Troy Brown, Gabriel, Caldwell and Jackson as the rest of the receive corps? No, it is NOT a coincidence that Brady blew away his averages with Moss as a receiver. It doesn't follow that Brady wouldn't have done that even without Moss.

First, Morris got hurt in week 6, Stallworth didn't much in the second half of the season, in fact, Gaffney took a majority of the snaps in his place. Welker was great in the slot, but he has NEVER had production like that before, so I think its pretty safe to say that Moss had a HUGE impact on him getting open.

What did Washington do on offense? Oh yeah, NOTHING, he never took a snap on offense.

Then you have Randy Moss. 1493 yds, 98 rec, 23TD. Hmm, so Moss accounted for almost 1/2 of Brady's 50TD passes.

Oh yeah, and then we have Tom Brady.
Here is his average season numbers based on 2001-2006:
62.0 Com%, 3593 yds, 24.5 TD, 4.8 TD%, 13 INT, 2.6 INT%, 88.5 Rating

Now 2007:
68.9 Com%, 4806 yds, 50 TD, 8.7 TD%, 8 INT, 1.4 INT%, 117.2 Rating.

That is a RIDICULOUS jump in production. Welker alone doesn't explain that. Welker has done NOTHING prior to NE to make anyone believe he would have even half as good a season without Moss. Stallworth only accounted for 3 TD and 697 yds. That jump in production is ALL Moss.

But in case your still not realizing this.
Most Points In A Season:
589 - 2007 NE Patriots *Randy Moss
556 - 1998 MIN Vikings *Randy Moss

or
589 - 2007 NE Patriots*Randy Moss
385 - 2006 NE Patriots
379 - 2005 NE Patriots
437 - 2004 NE Patriots*Cory Dillion
348 - 2004 Ne Patriots

Or how about look at Randle Cunningham, Randy Moss's QB in the 1998 record setting season. Unbelievable, in the one full season he played with Moss, he BLEW away his career averages. Certainly no coincidence, huh.

 

[Ring 6]

Re: Brady should fight for Moss !

If Moss goes, I go, I'm done. We've dealt with enough crap over the last 5 months to have to experience Randy taking off. That would be the final straw.

Are you out of your m-erf-ing mind?

WE'VE DEALT WITH ENOUGH CRAP OVER THE LAST 5 MONTHS

What in the world does that mean.
What 'crap' have you had to deal with you whiny little bltch?
You had to root for a team that won 18 straight games.
Oh, let me guess, because they won 18 straight sometime during or after your leap on to the bandwagon, that made you feel like you were great because you rooted for the team, and they went and screwed you by losing 'your Super Bowl'.

A) Grow up
B) Shut up
C) Go start rooting for the Colts

 

[mgteich]

Re: Brady should fight for Moss !

the colts don't deserve him. How about Atlanta or Oakland?

Are you out of your m-erf-ing mind?

WE'VE DEALT WITH ENOUGH CRAP OVER THE LAST 5 MONTHS

What in the world does that mean.
What 'crap' have you had to deal with you whiny little bltch?
You had to root for a team that won 18 straight games.
Oh, let me guess, because they won 18 straight sometime during or after your leap on to the bandwagon, that made you feel like you were great because you rooted for the team, and they went and screwed you by losing 'your Super Bowl'.

A) Grow up
B) Shut up
C) Go start rooting for the Colts

 

[Ring 6]

Re: Brady should fight for Moss !

First, Morris got hurt in week 6, Stallworth didn't much in the second half of the season, in fact, Gaffney took a majority of the snaps in his place. Welker was great in the slot, but he has NEVER had production like that before, so I think its pretty safe to say that Moss had a HUGE impact on him getting open.

What did Washington do on offense? Oh yeah, NOTHING, he never took a snap on offense.

Then you have Randy Moss. 1493 yds, 98 rec, 23TD. Hmm, so Moss accounted for almost 1/2 of Brady's 50TD passes.

Oh yeah, and then we have Tom Brady.
Here is his average season numbers based on 2001-2006:
62.0 Com%, 3593 yds, 24.5 TD, 4.8 TD%, 13 INT, 2.6 INT%, 88.5 Rating

Now 2007:
68.9 Com%, 4806 yds, 50 TD, 8.7 TD%, 8 INT, 1.4 INT%, 117.2 Rating.

That is a RIDICULOUS jump in production. Welker alone doesn't explain that. Welker has done NOTHING prior to NE to make anyone believe he would have even half as good a season without Moss. Stallworth only accounted for 3 TD and 697 yds. That jump in production is ALL Moss.

But in case your still not realizing this.
Most Points In A Season:
589 - 2007 NE Patriots *Randy Moss
556 - 1998 MIN Vikings *Randy Moss

or
589 - 2007 NE Patriots*Randy Moss
385 - 2006 NE Patriots
379 - 2005 NE Patriots
437 - 2004 NE Patriots*Cory Dillion
348 - 2004 Ne Patriots

Or how about look at Randle Cunningham, Randy Moss's QB in the 1998 record setting season. Unbelievable, in the one full season he played with Moss, he BLEW away his career averages. Certainly no coincidence, huh.

If your argument is that Randy Moss is more important than Tom Brady, you have lost your mind.
But go ahead and write back about all those big games Moss won, all those SBs he went to and won, etc, etc.

Look, Moss is a great weapon for Brady to have, but that is what he is a weapon. The team and its INCREDIBLE success revolves around Brady. Brady's job is made easier by having Moss. THEORETICALLY, we have a better chance of winning a SB with Moss, yet, we did not.

You want to highlight Moss in 2007 and 1998 as the be all, end all.
I would put Tom Brady 2001,2003,2004 MILES ahead of that.

 

[CrazyDave]

dude, where are all those padlocks that were getting thrown around yesterday? lol
Do we have any left?

 

[Keegs]

Re: Brady should fight for Moss !

Are you out of your m-erf-ing mind?

WE'VE DEALT WITH ENOUGH CRAP OVER THE LAST 5 MONTHS

What in the world does that mean.
What 'crap' have you had to deal with you whiny little bltch?
You had to root for a team that won 18 straight games.
Oh, let me guess, because they won 18 straight sometime during or after your leap on to the bandwagon, that made you feel like you were great because you rooted for the team, and they went and screwed you by losing 'your Super Bowl'.

A) Grow up
B) Shut up
C) Go start rooting for the Colts

(you forgot D)

D.) Go follow Moss to his next team, you aren't fooling anyone.

 

[Satchboogie3]

Re: Brady should fight for Moss !

If your argument is that Randy Moss is more important than Tom Brady, you have lost your mind.
But go ahead and write back about all those big games Moss won, all those SBs he went to and won, etc, etc.

Look, Moss is a great weapon for Brady to have, but that is what he is a weapon. The team and its INCREDIBLE success revolves around Brady. Brady's job is made easier by having Moss. THEORETICALLY, we have a better chance of winning a SB with Moss, yet, we did not.

You want to highlight Moss in 2007 and 1998 as the be all, end all.
I would put Tom Brady 2001,2003,2004 MILES ahead of that.

So you would put a normal Tom Brady ahead of the greatest season a WR has ever had? Are you nuts?

I'm not saying Moss is more important than Brady, I'm saying Moss is the REASON why Brady had such an amazing season. Brady is the best QB of all time and Moss is the best/2nd best WR of all time.

Anyways, the reason we lost the SB wasn't Moss, heck, Brady didn't have a very good performance in the SB. Yes he was getting hit, but he missed Moss on several occasions. Moss did his part to get open in the SB, Brady, the O-Line, and defense didn't hold up their end of the bargain.

 

[BradyManny]

Re: Brady should fight for Moss !

We 'now' that Brady wasnt happy with WHAT situation? Getting to 1 minute from the SB?

Explain how you know we would have one more ring? We've had Moss one year and have no rings. How does that guarantee we would have won one the year before?

I apologize for the typo...

I can't guarantee that we'd have won in 06, but considering how close we were with an average receiving corps, it's safe to assume our chances would've been better with Moss.

You're putting aside the fact that it took all of the following: missed interceptions, missed blatant holding call, missed sacks, botched fumble recovery, etc., etc., to derail this team from winning the Super Bowl - if ONE of those things goes our way, just one, we're 19-0. Moss had nothing to do with the breakdown on the offensive line or the defense failing to put an end to that game. Moss did have everything to do with the Pats finally breaking through and going up 14-10 with what should've been the game winning TD.

Brady makes Moss better and Moss makes Brady better...considering they are both future HOFers, it seems very logical to try and keep them together. If we don't re-sign Moss, in my mind, we go from sure favorites to be back in the Super Bowl to pretty much even with the Colts & Chargers for best of the AFC. Brady gets us to that upper echelon, Moss+Brady gives us a big edge over those teams.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

Thankfully, Brady thinks like a team player and understands that personal decisions are beyond hi sjob description, and works for the team that makes the best ones in the league.

Thants funny.... Last season the tream player Brady went to management and requested they go get Moss. I guess he was tired of having Reche Caldwell as their top receiver.

 

[Satchboogie3]

Re: Brady should fight for Moss !

Without Moss, I don't see us getting passed INDY. Remember, in the '06 AFCCG, a lot of our scoring came on big turnovers, INT, fumbles in the Redzone/endzone, etc. (Brady Fumbles, Mankins recovers for a TD, Asante INT returned for a TD) Our offense wasn't exactly "amazing" that game.

 

[Scouse Patriot]

Re: Brady should fight for Moss !

Belichick doesn't give a damn what Tom Brady or anyone else thinks.

Belichick may have a hardened persona but when it comes to senior players who earn their keep and especially when it comes to the best QB there is, like any good coach he'll listen.

 

[p8ryts]

If the Pats are trying to low ball Moss, Brady should step in and fight for
Moss.

If I was Brady I would tell them to sign Moss or I will be looking to be the
highest paid QB when my contract is up.

Then again..... I am not Brady.

I am just a frustrated season ticket holder who thinks the idea of losing Moss would be far worse than the 32% increase in the price of my season tickets.

WWWWAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!