Pats Rebuild Intermittent View of Progress

[ivanvamp]

Baloney.
Pts allowed is a way more accurate gauge of a D than yds allowed.Teams that are often blowing other teams out will give up a lot of garbage time yds.
Only a neophyte ranks by yds allowed.
But the best ranking is a combo of several things like pts,turnovers,red zone d,3rd down d and rushing d combined.
Tedy Bruschi has a formula similar to this

Well you may be right that it’s better to rank units by points scored/allowed rather than by yards. I’m not arguing that point. The fact remains though, if you ever see like in NFL Today or whatever, or see a report that the Patriots have the X ranked defense, they’re virtually always using yards, not points.

I don’t know what else to tell you. That’s how it is.

 

[Bruins29]

Well you may be right that it’s better to rank units by points scored/allowed rather than by yards. I’m not arguing that point. The fact remains though, if you ever see like in NFL Today or whatever, or see a report that the Patriots have the X ranked defense, they’re virtually always using yards, not points.

I don’t know what else to tell you. That’s how it is.

The pats have had a top 10 points allowed defense the last ten years

 

[ivanvamp]

The pats have had a top 10 points allowed defense the last ten years

Correct. And in the BB era with the Pats, it's been top 10 in points allowed in 18 of the 22 seasons.

 

[Ivan]

The Pats have banked enough good will with me over the last 20 years that I'm not real concerned about their record as much as I was before that.

This is exactly how I feel about it.6 Lombardi’s in less than 20 years won’t be touched.

 

[Boomer B]

Do you think he planted the question to create an excuse because he’s afraid of your criticism?
Dude, I get you are a loser who sees every one of your failures as a series of excuses. Just don’t bring it here. Go be a Jags fan where you can revel in failure and be happy.

Maybe step away from the site for awhile Andy. No need for someone like you to call others losers

 

[Boomer B]

Think about this: you are wasting your life on a message board trying to convince strangers your think they greatest catch in the history of the game, who delivered 6 titles to the team you root for, is a fraud. What a sad waste of a life.

So now Andy you’re telling other posters they’re a sad waste of life. That’s rich coming from you. Why is this guy still allowed to post here?

 

[TB12TheGoat]

Maybe step away from the site for awhile Andy. No need for someone like you to call others losers

almost 60k posts and it seems he’s almost always on here arguing about something but wants to call others losers. sounds like he needs to go touch grass

 

[captain stone]

Maybe step away from the site for awhile Andy. No need for someone like you to call others losers

So now Andy you’re telling other posters they’re a sad waste of life. That’s rich coming from you. Why is this guy still allowed to post here?

almost 60k posts and it seems he’s almost always on here arguing about something but wants to call others losers. sounds like he needs to go touch grass

AJ/R6 never used to personally insult fellow posters; he would stick to the facts as he saw them and base his arguments from them... And I oughta know, I've had plenty of them with him, but he's always - and I mean Always - kept our discourses civil...

Looks like he met his match in persistence in Crawhammer, however... I'll give AJ/R6 the benefit of the doubt here and attribute those particular posts to simply a bad day at the office... We've all had them, me especially... Perhaps a small mea culpa would go well in smoothing some feathers...

 

[jimnance]

Well you may be right that it’s better to rank units by points scored/allowed rather than by yards. I’m not arguing that point. The fact remains though, if you ever see like in NFL Today or whatever, or see a report that the Patriots have the X ranked defense, they’re virtually always using yards, not points.

I don’t know what else to tell you. That’s how it is.

The people who do that are laughed at by real football people. That's how it is.

 

[Bruins29]

And if the Pats lead the league in fewest yards allowed they would all use points as a metric.

 

[mgteich]

If you go by yards allowed (which is how most people rank defenses), lots of times: 2001, 2002, 2005, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2017, and 2018.

What a ridiculous way to judge defenses.

"Bend not break" is a much better plan. The defense is NOT about not giving up yards. Rather, it is about not giving up points.

 

[Ring 6]

What a ridiculous way to judge defenses.

"Bend not break" is a much better plan. The defense is NOT about not giving up yards. Rather, it is about not giving up points.

The argument would be that allowing fewer yards but more points makes you better. The scoreboard disagrees.

 

[zydecochris]

You seem to not understand how business folks measure success.

Can I make a guess?

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

AJ/R6 never used to personally insult fellow posters; he would stick to the facts as he saw them and base his arguments from them... And I oughta know, I've had plenty of them with him, but he's always - and I mean Always - kept our discourses civil...

true, i think his posts are mostly informative if he talks football and not the constant discussions about pats fans

Looks like he met his match in persistence in Crawhammer, however... I'll give AJ/R6 the benefit of the doubt here and attribute those particular posts to simply a bad day at the office... We've all had them, me especially... Perhaps a small mea culpa would go well in smoothing some feathers...

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Maybe step away from the site for awhile Andy. No need for someone like you to call others losers

no one should

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Pressures can be caused by great coverage/indecisive QB/bad line play.

I don't disagree with you. Just saying sacks are not a metic I consider a key metric when determining a defense is good/great.

i tend to agree but at some point you need to finish it and create negative yardage instead of a pressure leading to maybe a throw out of bounce

 

[zydecochris]

AJ/R6 never used to personally insult fellow posters; he would stick to the facts as he saw them and base his arguments from them... And I oughta know, I've had plenty of them with him, but he's always - and I mean Always - kept our discourses civil...

Looks like he met his match in persistence in Crawhammer, however... I'll give AJ/R6 the benefit of the doubt here and attribute those particular posts to simply a bad day at the office... We've all had them, me especially... Perhaps a small mea culpa would go well in smoothing some feathers...

Agreed. The fact is, if all posters who ever engaged in a bit of name-calling (whether provoked, due to a bad day at the office, a Patriots loss, a couple of beers, or whatever) were to leave this site, it would be a much, much emptier place.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

i tend to agree but at some point you need to finish it and create negative yardage instead of a pressure leading to maybe a throw out of bounce

And a pressure can lead to a penalty (holding) which leads to negative yards.

Not responding to your post: there are lots of variables in football - hard to narrow it down. I am always skeptical of the all encompassing metrics. When there are lots of variables I still like to trust someone with a lot of experience. Same as self driving cars - too many technical variables, you need a person to look and make a decision. Same in football - that is what makes it fun - anything can happen. Not like baseball where the options are limited and advanced metrics can help a team, football is still unpredictable no matter how smart your algorithm is. Fewest yards allowed is right, least points scored is right, there is no wrong answer, so how does the coach balance it all?

I know. I know. Of course I forgot because I am getting old. Draft a #1 WR and everything is OK. If we only had Pickens we would be going to the Super Bowl. Silly me. Even if Trubisky is our QB, it does not matter, if we only had a WR like Pickens, or Moore, or ..............

 

[ivanvamp]

What a ridiculous way to judge defenses.

"Bend not break" is a much better plan. The defense is NOT about not giving up yards. Rather, it is about not giving up points.

I don't disagree. But that's not what it means when you read or hear that the Pats are going up against the #7 ranked defense. It's almost always in reference to yards, not points. I mean, I'm not making this up.

 

[captain stone]

"Bend not break" is a much better plan...

Not any more.

The way the game is being officiated today, it's more likely than not that if your defense is bending, it's gonna be breaking too; so negative plays -
i.e.: Sacks - are the best way to get your defense off the field ASAP, before the criminally incompetent zebras award their offense a bogus DPI or
RTP penalty...