Pats draft Darren McFadden

[danny88]

Both are explosive runners with an upright style.

Maroney was the second coming in college...he was "all that".

How do you know McFadden won't have limited success in the NFL like so many other high 1st round picks?

"You just know". How?

Im not even going to get into this. Mcfadden is on a different level then Maroney. Btw I never compared Petterson to Mcfadden, You have the wrong guy.

 

[ATippett56]

Both are explosive runners with an upright style.

Maroney was the second coming in college...he was "all that".

How do you know McFadden won't have limited success in the NFL like so many other high 1st round picks?

"You just know". How?

Look no further than the 2005 NFL draft. Running back Cadillac Williams produced in his rookie season and not much after that. Meanwhile running back Cedric Benson has been a complete bust in the NFL.

 

[Ahriman]

The cap implications of a top 10 pick are too much for this team to handle. Especially if we all want resigning Moss to be a top priority. I'd say draft down for two first rounders this year (hello, Cowboys) and a second rounder next year.

 

[Cassanova792]

Both are explosive runners with an upright style.

Maroney was the second coming in college...he was "all that".

How do you know McFadden won't have limited success in the NFL like so many other high 1st round picks?

"You just know". How?

Umm im pretty sure both A. Peterson and definately McFadden are regarded alot higher than Maroney ever was in college. If you look at RB in this era, statistically they have alot higher rate of success in the NFL in terms of there projected draft (by far). So it would be a much SAFER bet to invest in McFadden then it would be to get Laurenitas.

McFadden averags 7 yards a carry and just dropped 323 yards running last week. He does this while constantly playing against 8 front defenses. HE IS THE REAL DEAL. McFadden is far more powerful and explosive than Maroney as well as have great finesse to break tackels. Did i mention he can catch very very well.

 

[ATippett56]

The cap implications of a top 10 pick are too much for this team to handle. Especially if we all want resigning Moss to be a top priority. I'd say draft down for two first rounders this year (hello, Cowboys) and a second rounder next year.

Unfortunately you are in the minority within this thread with regard to the salary cap ramifications of a top five draft pick.

 

[iapatsfan]

McFadden hasn't even played a down in the NFL and you're already trying to compare him to the Minnesota Vikings Adrian Peterson. Meanwhile, if Asante Samuel departs via free agency, the Patriots will only have one legitimate cornerback on the roster next season. Also, Tedy Bruschi and Junior Seau will most likely retire after this season, so let's completely ignore the inside linebacker position altogether.

One more time! The idea is to trade Maroney for a high pick to Denver that may be used to replace Samuel or a LB while getting a guy that is widely considered to be one of the best offensive players to come out in years. We would then be left with 4 picks (our 2nd and 3rd, Denver's 1st or 2nd, and Oakland's 3rd) on Day 1 of the draft for LBs and DBs. If we don't draft McFadden how are we in any better shape? We have our pick from SF, our 2nd and 3rd rounders, and Oakland's 3rd - 4 total picks. In my scenario we replace Maroney with McFadden and still have 4 picks to address defensive needs.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Unfortunately you are in the minority within this thread with regard to the salary cap ramifications of a top five draft pick.

You're right, investing top draft pick money in Seymour was a TERRIBLE move! What were we thinking?? Thank you for the valuable lesson in cap economics. I am sure that BB will now mend his erroneous ways. :bricks:

 

[ATippett56]

One more time! The idea is to trade Maroney for a high pick to Denver that may be used to replace Samuel or a LB while getting a guy that is widely considered to be one of the best offensive players to come out in years. We would then be left with 4 picks (our 2nd and 3rd, Denver's 1st or 2nd, and Oakland's 3rd) on Day 1 of the draft for LBs and DBs. If we don't draft McFadden how are we in any better shape? We have our pick from SF, our 2nd and 3rd rounders, and Oakland's 3rd - 4 total picks. In my scenario we replace Maroney with McFadden and still have 4 picks to address defensive needs.

Look! I'm not trading one player or draft pick to the Denver Broncos whatsoever. If there is one team in the AFC that has the Patriots number it's the Denver Broncos coached by Mike Shanahan. I rather let the Denver Broncos suffer in misery than assist that organization. Second, if I'm the Denver Broncos there is no way I'm surrenduring a first round draft pick for Maroney. Heck, Denver finds undrafted free agent running backs that produce in their system. Besides, my draft trade proposal provides more VALUE than yours.

 

[iapatsfan]

Look! I'm not trading one player or draft pick to the Denver Broncos whatsoever. If there is one team in the AFC that has the Patriots number it's the Denver Broncos coached by Mike Shanahan. I rather let the Denver Broncos suffer in misery than assist that organization. Second, if I'm the Denver Broncos there is no way I'm surrenduring a first round draft pick for Maroney. Heck, Denver finds undrafted free agent running backs that produce in their system. Besides, my draft trade proposal provides more VALUE than yours.

From what you've seen from Maroney, are you going to honestly tell me you would fear him in Denver. Please. Who's undrafted FA that's producing for them this year? They have nobody at RB with Henry's suspension. All I'm saying is if Shannahan likes Maroney as much as he said he did, it's worth exploring.

 

[sieglo]

I hate to say it, but I think it's unlikely the Niners deliver a top 5 pick. Maybe top 10 if we're lucky.

 

[ATippett56]

You're right, investing top draft pick money in Seymour was a TERRIBLE move! What were we thinking?? Thank you for the valuable lesson in cap economics. I am sure that BB will now mend his erroneous ways. :bricks:

I guess the Patriots just won't re-sign Randy Moss so the Patriots can sign an unproven first round draft pick with the fourth selection in the 2008 NFL draft. Meanwhile the situation was alot different for the Patriots in 2001 than for the Patriots in 2008:

2008 NFL Season
Asante Samuel unrestricted free agent (big bucks)
Randall Gay unrestricted free agent
Eugene Wilson unrestricted free agent
Randy Moss unrestricted free agent (big bucks)
Jabar Gaffney unrestricted free agent
Donte Stallworth option clause in contract (will he restructure?)
Kelly Washington option clause in contract
Pending retirements for Junior Seau and Tedy Bruschi
Possibly pending retirements for Rodney Harrison and Mike Vrabel

 

[JackBauer]

CBs are decent. Safety!? Big time need.
Rodney?...who knows how much longer. Love another year or two.
Wilson?, contract year and he is made of glass. He's gone. Started decent this year but hasn't played well in a long time.
Merriweather? more suited to CB.
Lastly Sanders? Perhaps the biggest soft spot in the defense. There is a lot of man-love for James, and I have absolutely no idea why, but he rots as a cover guy. I'm sure I can beat him. I would be willing to bet he has the team lead in missed tackles. No need to come to his defense. It's just one mans opinion.

An impact safety like this kid Landry would upgrade and make the D younger.
DW Toys

I disagree completely.

Meriweather is not going to play CB. He's going to play FS. Using him at CB would be a huge waste, IMO. But since you claim he's more suited to play CB, what, exactly, makes you think that?

And Sanders? You mean the guy who is now starting at FREE safety? I know you're completely irrational when it comes to this guy, and believe me, every game that BB keeps him out there as a starter just continues to refute your baseless claims. He rots as a cover guy? How? Please posit examples. Just because you continually lie about the guy doesn't make it so.

 

[JackBauer]

Meanwhile, if Asante Samuel departs via free agency, the Patriots will only have one legitimate cornerback on the roster next season.

Hobbs and Gay are both legit corners. But I agree, depth would be slim.

 

[patsox23]

Good thing bb does not draft on need.

This is a myth. It's far more complicated than that, and BB does indeed draft based, to some degree, on need. Let's not simplify things.

 

[ATippett56]

I hate to say it, but I think it's unlikely the Niners deliver a top 5 pick. Maybe top 10 if we're lucky.

The 49ers may not win another game this season.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/sanfrancisco49ers/schedule?team=SF

Plus the injured reserve list for the 49ers includes two starters on the offensive line. Also, running back Frank Gore is injured and the 49ers offense is terrible this season.

http://www.sf49ers.com/team/roster.php?section=TE Roster

 

[ATippett56]

Hobbs and Gay are both legit corners. But I agree, depth would be slim.

Randall Gay is an unrestricted free agent, as well.

 

[Boston Boxer]

What do you guys not get??? Drafting McFadden allows us to trade Maroney for a pick or picks to bolster our defense. Denver is the perfect trade partner as they have already mentioned their love for Maroney and they need a RB for next year in an enormous way. We get McFadden (with the pick from SF we already have) in addition to high draft pick(s) for Maroney. If we are able to trade Maroney for pick(s), drafting McFadden in no way inhibits our ability to replentish our D!

how much money do you think it will cost for the 3rd or 4th pick in the draft? If you draft McFadden, then dont plan on signing Moss or Stallworth or Samuel, or anyone else. We do not need to upgrade the RB position.

What don't you get about that?

 

[JackBauer]

Randall Gay is an unrestricted free agent, as well.

Ah, I didn't know that. After this season he's a high-priority resign.

 

[Metaphors]

This is a myth. It's far more complicated than that, and BB does indeed draft based, to some degree, on need. Let's not simplify things.

Yeah, the "absolute" statements can be a bit much...

"Pats never draft for need."
"Pats never draft anyone with character questions."
"Pats never draft a <insert position here> in the <insert round here> round."

The Pats do draft for value...value to THEIR team. Their value system likely includes need, character, intelligence, talent, contract value and a boatload of other considerations. The trick is not letting any one of them overwhelm the others and striking the right balance.

 

[Crazyeechrispats1]

BB likes to keep his units strong in all areas.
For example he'd rather have 3 quality starting corners rather than 1 shut down guy. BB is a master at doing alot more with a certain weakness than any coach in the game.
That being said Samuel will be gone cause he benefits greatly with the front 7 pressuring the qb to make errant throws and hurried decisions.
If Mcfadden is on the board and were picking ahead of say the Jets hypothetically.
I believe BB will take the guy if he is on the board.
He will not trade picks to claim him or lose quality depth unless he is heads or tails better than any other player in this draft.
BB could trade the pick to get more picks in a pretty deep draft to address a few other needs.
BB would have to have a man crush on the guy to take a linebacker in the first round.
Although he may with either Lauranitis or Connor on the board.
That being said theres also both Longs and Philips to consider.
Would Pairing Meriweather up with Philips be a great tandem in the nfl?
Maybe i'm sure the scouting department is looking at hours of game film with both of them on the field together and see how the play as one unit on the field.
Sure they could be best friends that could mean nothing or it could have a adverse effect and could hurt the team depending on how responsible they all our together.
But for BB to trade Laurence as the original poster brings up as a option would make no sense. Highest we would get is a third or conditional second.
For a guy who's done nothing on the professional level if and this is a strong if Mcfadden is on the board with our pick which couldn't be any higher than 3 i'm thinking we deff keep Maroney with his rookie salary over a plugged in free agent which would almost deff cost more.