The "Evidence" on Brady

[Ring 6]

This is very troubling to me. I disagree but could understand the conclusion that there is reasonable suspicion that McNally may have done something to the balls, if you accept their finding (which is shaky) that science does not explain the entire effect. McNally was weak in his responses and was out of sight with the balls. In other words if this were a criminal case I would say they have enough information to pursue and indictment against McNally to take it to trial. I don't think they have anywhere near enough to convict, and the science data would certainly be refuted as well.

But, the really troubling part is wrapping Brady up in this.
The sum total of evidence about Brady are text messages. These text messages are explained by Jastremski and McNally and Wells simply says their explanation is a lie and his interpretation of them is more likely. This includes a text that they said was not about Brady but Wells dismissed that because the one before was about Brady.
The explanation was detailed, sensible and corroborated. (This was about the friend of Jastremski, and McNallys sick sister and the season tickets).
Wells 'ruled' every word that Jastremski and McNally both said (and independently told the same story) AND the corroboration.

This adds up to the 'more probably than not' finding is that Wells belief of the meaning of a text is more probable than McNally, Jastremski, Brady and the friend all giving the same, different story.
In other words Wells is so prescient that he can read a text and tell that all 4 people involved are lying about what it meant.

How in the world, can you penalize Tom Brady on that flimsy evidence?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

This is very troubling to me. I disagree but could understand the conclusion that there is reasonable suspicion that McNally may have done something to the balls, if you accept their finding (which is shaky) that science does not explain the entire effect. McNally was weak in his responses and was out of sight with the balls. In other words if this were a criminal case I would say they have enough information to pursue and indictment against McNally to take it to trial. I don't think they have anywhere near enough to convict, and the science data would certainly be refuted as well.

But, the really troubling part is wrapping Brady up in this.
The sum total of evidence about Brady are text messages. These text messages are explained by Jastremski and McNally and Wells simply says their explanation is a lie and his interpretation of them is more likely. This includes a text that they said was not about Brady but Wells dismissed that because the one before was about Brady.
The explanation was detailed, sensible and corroborated. (This was about the friend of Jastremski, and McNallys sick sister and the season tickets).
Wells 'ruled' every word that Jastremski and McNally both said (and independently told the same story) AND the corroboration.

This adds up to the 'more probably than not' finding is that Wells belief of the meaning of a text is more probable than McNally, Jastremski, Brady and the friend all giving the same, different story.
In other words Wells is so prescient that he can read a text and tell that all 4 people involved are lying about what it meant.

How in the world, can you penalize Tom Brady on that flimsy evidence?

Yep... the thing about the Clemens, Armstrong, Bonds, A-Rod stuff is that one or multiple eye witnesses actually came forward and spoke out against them, giving eye witness testimony, providing records, etc. In this case, there are ZERO people who claim Brady did anything wrong and every person in the investigation who claim they are unable to corroborate the story, including Jastremski and McNally. This has to be the weakest case I have ever seen in my life. There is no case. There truly is no case here. We now know the reason the investigation took so long is because Wells was unable to find anything, dug deeper, found nothing, dug deeper, found nothing, and eventually built a case off of extremely weak, out-of-context text messages that prove nothing and merely add more confusion.

 

[Ring 6]

Yep... the thing about the Clemens, Armstrong, Bonds, A-Rod stuff is that one or multiple eye witnesses actually came forward and spoke out against them, giving eye witness testimony, providing records, etc. In this case, there are ZERO people who claim Brady did anything wrong and every person in the investigation who claim they are unable to corroborate the story, including Jastremski and McNally. This has to be the weakest case I have ever seen in my life. There is no case. There truly is no case here. We now know the reason the investigation took so long is because Wells was unable to find anything, dug deeper, found nothing, dug deeper, found nothing, and eventually built a case off of extremely weak, out-of-context text messages that prove nothing and merely add more confusion.

Ironically, everyone who gave testimony, gave testimony that amounted to Brady was not involved in any way, so they conclude everyone lied, and that is the proof that Brady was involved.

 

[everlong]

How in the world, can you penalize Tom Brady on that flimsy evidence?

When that's the agenda set forth by your master from the get-go.

 

[Bella*chick]

It should be clear to anyone with any sense that Wells was strongly encouraged to nail these guys however they could. And they had almost nothing so they just kept fishing for more. And people think Brady should have just turned over his phone with all its contents to a bunch of guys who refused to accept any explanations for text messages? Yeah, RIGHT.

 

[BelichickFan]

The only "evidence" against Brady that I found was :

- He encourages the minimum allowed and gets pissy if it's too high. Argument could be made that encourages misdeeds to keep him happy.

- He communicated with the equipment guys after the accusation. Well, duh. No **** he's contact them to see what's been going on.

- Claiming he didn't know McNally's name.

- Not turning over his texts, although as one equipment guy had irrelevant texts to his mom published, its hard to fault Brady.

- Giving autographed memorabilia to the equipment guys but that's Standard Operating Procedure.

Not close to a preponderance of the evidence to me. If there's anything else I'd like to hear it so I don't misrepresent when arguing our side.

 

[Ring 6]

The only "evidence" against Brady that I found was :

- He encourages the minimum allowed and gets pissy if it's too high. Argument could be made that encourages misdeeds to keep him happy.

- He communicated with the equipment guys after the accusation. Well, duh. No **** he's contact them to see what's been going on.

- Claiming he didn't know McNally's name.

- Not turning over his texts, although as one equipment guy had irrelevant texts to his mom published, its hard to fault Brady.

- Giving autographed memorabilia to the equipment guys but that's Standard Operating Procedure.

Not close to a preponderance of the evidence to me. If there's anything else I'd like to hear it so I don't misrepresent when arguing our side.

The Wells report claims that the text messages implicated Brady as knowing about it because Wells said 'him' was Brady when the two people texting gave a detailed and credible explanation that was corroborated, and Wells concluded that his belief it was Brady is more likely than the corroborated story of the texters.

 

[State]

Lawyers. Doesn't Shakespeare say somewhere we should kill 'em all? I think the glove fits here.

 

[Rob0729]

As Dan Wetzel of Yahoo Sports stated, yes Brady calling Jastremski so much after finding out about all this on D&C is an act of a guilty man, but is also an act of an innocent man. A guilty man would be calling so much to get stories straight. An innocent man would be calling so much to find out what has happened and trying to get down to whether cheating actually happened.

So in other words, you really cannot draw conclusions on his communications with Jastremski, but Wells decided to use it as the smoking gun.

 

[Ring 6]

As Dan Wetzel of Yahoo Sports stated, yes Brady calling Jastremski so much after finding out about all this on D&C is an act of a guilty man, but is also an act of an innocent man. A guilty man would be calling so much to get stories straight. An innocent man would be calling so much to find out what has happened and trying to get down to whether cheating actually happened.

So in other words, you really cannot draw conclusions on his communications with Jastremski, but Wells decided to use it as the smoking gun.

Even worse, they asked Brady and Jastremski about these calls and they described them as Brady making sure the guy who is never in the spotlight is doing OK with the attention, and this proved to be evidence against Brady because the only 2 people involved in the conversation were judged to be lying.

In what reality can you ask 2 people what they said with no one to support or contradict it and then use the opposite of what they said as evidence because you find them telling you what they discussed to not be credible?
Anything that conflicted with the predetermined finding was judged to be not credible, and then offered as evidence of guilt.

You wonder why Brady would hesitate to give his cell phone over?
This 'investigation' consists of questioning people, deeming their responses a lie, and calling that the evidence of wrongdoing.

 

[SVN]

If this investigation was independent it wouldve not lauded walt anderson for his memory but ripped the league for letting the 1st of of AFCCG goon in their own version of possibly competitive advantage for 1 team and poor handling of footballs and measurements prior to the game.

 

[Ring 6]

If this investigation was independent it wouldve not lauded walt anderson for his memory but ripped the league for letting the 1st of of AFCCG goon in their own version of possibly competitive advantage for 1 team and poor handling of footballs and measurements prior to the game.

They took Andersons memory of the measurements as iron clad fact, then concluded his was wrong about which gauge he used.

 

[DefenseRules]

WTH is this? WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FRIGGIN AIR PRESSURE IN A FOOTBALL NOT MASS MURDUR!! This is beyond STUPID. You are all analyzing this like Brady is a serial killer. The NFL SUCKS. It is being run by a moron with an agenda. Your precious Jets can't beat em or stop em on the field eh Roger? So destroy their reputation off of it. I so hope someone kicks that piece of trash commissioner where it hurts (keeping it clean, I would rather say something worse). I hate that man. I don't know him but I hate him and I don't trust him. Shame on Bob Kraft for hanging his QB out to dry, and shame on some in the fan base for having so little faith.

 

[Ring 6]

WTH is this? WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FRIGGIN AIR PRESSURE IN A FOOTBALL NOT MASS MURDUR!! This is beyond STUPID. You are all analyzing this like Brady is a serial killer. The NFL SUCKS. It is being run by a moron with an agenda. Your precious Jets can't beat em or stop em on the field eh Roger? So destroy their reputation off of it. I so hope someone kicks that piece of trash commissioner where it hurts (keeping it clean, I would rather say something worse). I hate that man. I don't know him but I hate him and I don't trust him. Shame on Bob Kraft for hanging his QB out to dry, and shame on some in the fan base for having so little faith.

Goodell is a tool and crucifying the Patriots probably helps him with the rest of the league, so scummy as he is there is at least a motivation for his agenda.
The disgusting part of this Bob Kraft who acting like a scared 13 year old.

 

[SVN]

Goodell is a tool and crucifying the Patriots probably helps him with the rest of the league, so scummy as he is there is at least a motivation for his agenda.
The disgusting part of this Bob Kraft who acting like a scared 13 year old.

Kraft shouldnt have said in his statement that they will accept whatever punishment the league hands out. Maybe it was a pre negotiated statement with goodell who had kraft say that for a less heavy punishment ? I dont know. He shouldve just stopped after expressing his disappointment of the report.

 

[Ring 6]

Kraft shouldnt have said in his statement that they will accept whatever punishment the league hands out. Maybe it was a pre negotiated statement with goodell who had kraft say that for a less heavy punishment ? I dont know. He shouldve just stopped after expressing his disappointment of the report.

If Kraft does not step up in 100% total support of Tom Brady and refuse to accept any punishment given him, Brady should ask to be traded. and I would support him in that.

 

[SVN]

Goodell wouldve handed the punishment when the report was released if he himself clearly believed the evidence. He wanted the public to define it thats why its taking a few days more.

 

[Ring 6]

Goodell wouldve handed the punishment when the report was released if he himself clearly believed the evidence. He wanted the public to define it thats why its taking a few days more.

Or he wanted to find out what would make the Patriot haters happy.

 

[aluminum seats]

It should be clear to anyone with any sense that Wells was strongly encouraged to nail these guys however they could. And they had almost nothing so they just kept fishing for more. And people think Brady should have just turned over his phone with all its contents to a bunch of guys who refused to accept any explanations for text messages? Yeah, RIGHT.

Exactly...the idea that Brady should have given up his phone is really absurd.

 

[Ring 6]

Exactly...the idea that Brady should have given up his phone is really absurd.

Simply the fact that Brady, as a vocal union leader cited reluctance to set a precedent for all of his union members when they collectively bargained against subpoena power should have caused Wells to state that this was a reasonable response by Brady and should in no way be construed as suspicious.

IF it were an independent unbiased investigation.