College Football Star Michael Sam Says He Is Gay; May Become First Publicly G...

[Ring 6]

I heard that at a lecture. A Non-religious presentation actually. We'd have to find Pottenger's writings, not wikipedia.

Feel free, I am confident you are wrong, especially when you say by the 4th generation they turned gay, and the facts say they didn't survive 4 generations.

 

[Boogs]

Why is it any of your business to categorize what someone else does?

Do you disagree that anti-gay commentary, attitudes and actions have caused great amounts of stress, grief, unhappiness, depression, drug use and suicide among gays, especially young ones?

Isn't it a sin to judge another person? Isn't it Gods place to determine who is a sinner?
Where is your entitlement to cast the first stone?

Let me ask you this:
If Jesus were alive today, do you think he would be posting on this board about how wrong being gay is or do you think he would be defending people against judgment and supporting them?

I think that sin (sexual sin in this case) causes stress, grief, unhappyness, depression, drug use and suicide. It doesn't help if people ridicule them. They need people to to be honest (when asked) and still treat them with love. That doesn't mean agreeing with them. I can't cast a stone Andy, I'm in the same boat as they are.
Edit: Don't forget what Jesus said to the woman about to be stoned, after the pharisees dropped their stones. Jesus said, "Go and sin no more."

 

[Christiancat]

I have no idea who is calling Tebow a religious nut. That isn't the point of this thread.

I think you are confusing what we are discussing in this thread. We are not questioning any Christian's right to believe in God. We are questioning their right in judging other people when the bible specifically teaches them not to.

I am not confusing the discussion. We are discussing about passing Judgement. Well calling a christian like Tebow a religious nut is passing judgement

 

[chicowalker]

I think that sin (sexual sin in this case) causes stress, grief, unhappyness, depression, drug use and suicide. It doesn't help if people ridicule them. They need people to to be honest (when asked) and still treat them with love. That doesn't mean agreeing with them. I can't cast a stone Andy, I'm in the same boat as they are.

But isn't everybody a sinner?

I don't know any homosexuals who suffered from any of the things you described (in undue amounts, anyway -- we all feel stress, grief and unhappiness at times) except when they were struggling with the fact that they were homosexual and hadn't yet come out.

So for them -- and I'm confident it's the same for most homosexuals -- it wasn't the "sin" that caused them problems, it was fear of what others might think about the sin.

 

[Ring 6]

I think that sin (sexual sin in this case) causes stress, grief, unhappyness, depression, drug use and suicide. It doesn't help if people ridicule them. They need people to to be honest (when asked) and still treat them with love. That doesn't mean agreeing with them. I can't cast a stone Andy, I'm in the same boat as they are.
Edit: Don't forget what Jesus said to the woman about to be stoned, after the pharisees dropped their stones. Jesus said, "Go and sin no more."

You are not the judge of how people should live their lives. You are not the judge of whether they are a sinner.

 

[Ring 6]

I am not confusing the discussion. We are discussing about passing Judgement. Well calling a christian like Tebow a religious nut is passing judgement

Who did that?

 

[Ring 6]

I am not confusing the discussion. We are discussing about passing Judgement. Well calling a christian like Tebow a religious nut is passing judgement

isnt calling a gay person a sinner doing the same thing?

 

[Christiancat]

Who did that?

SalemPats in the good morning America Tebow thread.

 

[Christiancat]

isnt calling a gay person a sinner doing the same thing?

For me it is just stating what the bible says. I have no issue with Michael Sam.

 

[Boogs]

You are not the judge of how people should live their lives. You are not the judge of whether they are a sinner.

Exactly right.

 

[Boogs]

But isn't everybody a sinner?

I don't know any homosexuals who suffered from any of the things you described (in undue amounts, anyway -- we all feel stress, grief and unhappiness at times) except when they were struggling with the fact that they were homosexual and hadn't yet come out.

So for them -- and I'm confident it's the same for most homosexuals -- it wasn't the "sin" that caused them problems, it was fear of what others might think about the sin.

It could be both Chico. I still stand by what I said though.

 

[chicowalker]

House panel approves bill that shields Kansans who refuse to serve same-sex couples on religious grounds | Wichita Eagle

OT, but no more so than much of the thread already

boogs and christiancat, I'm curious what you think of this. You can probably guess what I think of it...

 

[Ring 6]

For me it is just stating what the bible says. I have no issue with Michael Sam.

Why is it up to you to apply your interpretation of the Bible to this person?

I am a mortgage broker, am i a sinner because of the passages in the Bible about money lenders?
If i bet $10 on a football game, am I a sinner because I gambled?

Should i seek psychological help for these things, or be considered tragedy as has been suggested in this thread about someone YOU consider a sinner?

Or should you just let the man (and the gay population in general) make their own decision about what is a sin, and what they feel comfortable doing or not doing? Why is it necessary for you to pass judgment based upon your opinion?

 

[Ring 6]

It could be both Chico. I still stand by what I said though.

But what you said is ridiculous. Gay teenagers are not escaping to drugs or killing themselves because of what they are. Most gay people are very confident in who they are. There are numerous cases of gay teenagers committing suicide because of how they were treated, abused and ridiculed.

What you are missing is you think it is a sin, they do not. So committing a sin isn't the cause of those horrible things, since they do not believe they are sinning.

They are Gods children EQUALLY to you. Your opinion of right and wrong is no better than theirs. The problem is that people like you trying to force your opinion on them and telling them they are worthless has a dramatic effect on them.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

It's always weird how the Bible is used as justification for morality. It calls homosexuality a sin, but has no problem with selling your daughter into slavery.

According to that book, I've committed my share of sins. I love bacon and lobster. I wear clothes with two different materials woven together (FORBIDDEN). I was fortunate not to be put to death for cursing my parents when I was a teenager.

Speaking of death, the Bible tells us anyone who works on the Sabbath must also die. Depending on what you believe, that could be Saturday or Sunday, so either you think all college coaches and players should die, or all NFL coaches and players should die. Actually, if they made it to the NFL, they've violated both days so no need to even distinguish between faiths. Something they can all agree upon!

People are free to believe what they want, but I don't really see the purpose of quoting that bizarre book. If that's your moral compass, well, God help you.

 

[Boogs]

House panel approves bill that shields Kansans who refuse to serve same-sex couples on religious grounds | Wichita Eagle

OT, but no more so than much of the thread already

boogs and christiancat, I'm curious what you think of this. You can probably guess what I think of it...

And you should know by now what I think of it. I don't believe there should be gay marriage or that a Christian Bakery should be forced to bake a wedding cake for two lesbians getting married.

 

[chicowalker]

And you should know by now what I think of it. I don't believe there should be gay marriage or that a Christian Bakery should be forced to bake a wedding cake for two lesbians getting married.

but this isn't simply about a bakery owner.

This involves government employees. It would also protect an employee working in a bakery whose owner has no problem with gay marriage.

Should government employees be able to pick and choose what aspects of their job they perform because of their religious beliefs?

Should private company employees be able to do so, against their employers' will?

If you think about it, there are some interesting consequences here. Could a Christian government worker refuse to sign a marriage license because one of the people is divorced or the wrong religion? Could a Muslim get a job at a restaurant and then refuse to serve alcohol, or to serve women showing too much skin?

 

[Ring 6]

It's always weird how the Bible is used as justification for morality. It calls homosexuality a sin, but has no problem with selling your daughter into slavery.

According to that book, I've committed my share of sins. I love bacon and lobster. I wear clothes with two different materials woven together (FORBIDDEN). I was fortunate not to be put to death for cursing my parents when I was a teenager.

Speaking of death, the Bible tells us anyone who works on the Sabbath must also die. Depending on what you believe, that could be Saturday or Sunday, so either you think all college coaches and players should die, or all NFL coaches and players should die. Actually, if they made it to the NFL, they've violated both days so no need to even distinguish between faiths. Something they can all agree upon!

People are free to believe what they want, but I don't really see the purpose of quoting that bizarre book. If that's your moral compass, well, God help you.

Religion has historically been a way to enslave the minds of followers who want to be told what to believe.
Where is religious belief the strongest? Where poverty reigns, because religion offers hope beyond the misery of their life. Religion leads to suicide bombers willing giving their life to murder others because some madman convinced them they will be pleasured by 40 virgins.
Ironically, each religion bemoans the inconsistencies in all of the others and is certain theirs is flawlessly correct. Therefore words in a book passed by story become fact, and we treat people like crap because there is supposed to be a God telling us to.

Thinking for yourself really is lacking in this society.

 

[Ring 6]

House panel approves bill that shields Kansans who refuse to serve same-sex couples on religious grounds | Wichita Eagle

OT, but no more so than much of the thread already

boogs and christiancat, I'm curious what you think of this. You can probably guess what I think of it...

That is disgusting. Should an Aryan run restaurant have a white only section and hire a special person to serve the blacks?

Someone whose religious beliefs are homophobic should not be required to engage in homosexual acts. Serving lunch to a homosexual is not violating a religious belief.

Making a wedding cake is the same function whether it is eated by a man and woman, 2 men, 2 woman or thrown in the garbage.

Religious beliefs are not protected by pretending something doesn't exist.

They are HUMAN BEINGS, and are just as good as you or I.

 

[Ring 6]

And you should know by now what I think of it. I don't believe there should be gay marriage or that a Christian Bakery should be forced to bake a wedding cake for two lesbians getting married.

Should a racist bakery be allowed to deny business to a black couple?