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TB's role in the rookie WR development


Brady knows that he has to help these kids if they are going to be dominant and have Super Bowl hopes. He probably didn't sign up for it, but he knows its gonna be him to get these gust on track. And look for frustration, but also we don't see what he does off the field. He could be helping these guys and it didn't come together how it should have.
 
We are all gonna look back on this game/ season, and laugh. My bets are this offense will start looking like a Brady offense in the next couple weeks. Especially with gronk Danny back next game.
 
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We can only hope that our 3 time SB winning QB will blow off the advice of his 5 time SB winning coach and listen to the vast expertise of some fans on how to develop WR's.
 
We can only hope that our 3 time SB winning QB will blow off the advice of his 5 time SB winning coach and listen to the vast expertise of some fans on how to develop WR's.
I have no doubt that Belichick's advice will be to tone it down a bit. Actually, Brady himself admitted he was a bit over the top in his behavior, so he probably won't even need to be advised of that which he has already figured out.
 
TB didn't help his rookies last night...like he said...his body language (head down when walking off) and him flipping out on them will not help them. He cried like a 5 yr old for a bit there last night. Not the way to go in game
 
Maybe we could go back and simulate preseason, where some rookies got lots of uncontested catches and everyone told them how wonderful they are. Of course they played like crap since then, but if we coddle them and don't hurt their feelings for 4-5 years, I'm sure they'll decide to bear down and concentrate on their own.
 
I have no doubt that Belichick's advice will be to tone it down a bit. Actually, Brady himself admitted he was a bit over the top in his behavior, so he probably won't even need to be advised of that which he has already figured out.

Possible, but BB answered that criticism by responding that Brady is the best leader he's ever seen, and since he's the HC, he could have done that at any point during the game. Since his words and actions contradict that advice, I see no reason to believe that to be the case.
 
Who do you think looked more comfortable at QB last night, Geno Smith or Tom Brady? Do you think Geno Smith's weapons were any better than Brady's? His primary TE was our castoff. Was he any more familiar with his weapons than Brady was? Geno Smith is nowhere near the player Tom Brady is and never will be, but last night Smith seemed to deal with adversity quite a bit better than Brady did.

Also, if you're saying the current group of WRs is similar to the first group you mentioned in that they both suck, than we have bigger problems. If they are a more talented group than those guys, and it's just a growth/chemistry issue, than Brady needs to look in the mirror and evaluate how he's acting on the field. I think he has even acknowledged as much. We don't need John Lackey at QB.

Throwing three picks = dealing with adversity well? Brady was the solution for the Patriots. Geno was the problem for the Jets. He had no business lashing out at anyone else because he was as much at fault as his receivers were.

I dunno why everyone's saying that he showed tremendous poise and played well. Is the bar so low that a 0 TD, 3 INT performance is considered good now?
 
Mixed reaction to Brady's body language

Just like to ask though, whilst it may not have been productive for 12 to act that way can someone tell me why the receivers are getting a pass in some people's eyes and being painted as demoralized rookies?

Call me stupid, but knowing that Gronk, Amendola, Vereen and other pass catchers are banged up SURELY last night against all teams in the Jets you would want to bring your A game if you were a rookie to stand out, be noticed and separate from the pack.

So how does dropping the ball and not being in the right place despite a full off season with Tom, do any of the above?

In actuality all the receivers did last night was ensure that when Gronk and Amendola are healthy they are back in the lineup for a huge majority of the plays without a shadow of a doubt and the rookies are back to fighting for touches. Had they done the right thing they could have stood out and gave BB food for thought that even when the stars come back they have a bigger role, instead they sorta blew a big opportunity to make a name.

Brady could be better body language wise but those receivers should have been so so much more against a Jets team that ain't all that.
 
Re: Mixed reaction to Brady's body language

For some reason, I cannot remember the name of the prestigious award given each year to the NFL player who consistently exhibits the best body language. Could someone please refresh my memory?

Oh wait ... Never mind.
 
Re: Mixed reaction to Brady's body language

TB "Hey Aaron NICE DROP!!!, no worries you'll catch a pass sooner or later, there's only 5 minutes left in the game but who cares this is all about having fun an learning the new offense"
 
No, he's not a robot, which is precisely why he shouldn't be on auto pilot like he appeared to be last night. Someone with his leadership experience and responsibility should separate their internal emotional reaction from their external leadership behavior. His behavior should be intentional.
Perhaps at times, yelling is the best behavior to exhibit, but it appeared that he relied on it too much last night, and worse, that it was robotic, not thoughtful.

This principle is the same for leaders in any field, under any circumstances. Sports calls for a bit more spontaneity than many others, but that doesn't override the principle.



Nailed.

I played. Coached football and wrestling. In athletic administration, continue to coach. I've been around sports my whole life, and leadership in sport is an interest and vocation.

He should be frustrated. He should be demanding, he should hold his teammates accountable. He should hold himself to those same high standards.

IMHO what we saw from him Thursday night was not productive. I am sure it felt good at the time, but even he knew afterwards it was the wrong thing.

Greats like Lombardi (and BB) understand the psychology - they know when its time for a kick in the ass and when its time for a pat on the back. Often they are opposite of what feels right; the pat on the back is often more powerful when a player knows they've goofed up; the kick in the ass works best when they are riding too high, a push to continue to work harder, to get better.

I also train retrievers. You can't train a dog with anger or emotion. There's a time to be stern, and a time for praise. When you train with anger, however, you can break a dog, and a dog with no confidence is useless.

I don't care about being nice. I care about these young guys developing and contributing to this team; if they don't, another run at the Lombardi is not in the cards this year. Some of what we saw out of TB Thursday night was counterproductive to that goal IMHO. Understandable, yes. Acceptable?? Not to me.

Based on his comments post game, I am thinking TB is thinking similar.

On a side note (this has nothing to do with TB): There's a big difference between yelling and accountability. Too many who think they are "old school" and we are too "nice" mistake ******* (and counterproductive to the goal) behavior for accountability. Youth and high school sport (and to an extent college sport) is rife with ******* coaches and not enough who hold their players (and themselves) accountable. The two toughest coaches I played or worked with rarely if ever yelled, yet they held those around them to the highest standard. You didn't want to disappoint them because you feared them, but simply because you didn't want to let them down. There's a huge difference.
 
Brady knows that he has to help these kids if they are going to be dominant and have Super Bowl hopes. He probably didn't sign up for it, but he knows its gonna be him to get these gust on track. And look for frustration, but also we don't see what he does off the field. He could be helping these guys and it didn't come together how it should have.



No doubt he IS doing a ton behind the scenes. IMHO what we saw at times Thursday night wasn't helping.
 
We can only hope that our 3 time SB winning QB will blow off the advice of his 5 time SB winning coach and listen to the vast expertise of some fans on how to develop WR's.



You don't think TB heard from BB about his behavior during the game Thursday night?

The outbursts was contrary to everything BB preaches.
 
Possible, but BB answered that criticism by responding that Brady is the best leader he's ever seen, and since he's the HC, he could have done that at any point during the game. Since his words and actions contradict that advice, I see no reason to believe that to be the case.



Leaders don't publicly criticize. This was a classic BB move. Ream his ass in private, prop him up in public.

This is how it is done.
 
Possible, but BB answered that criticism by responding that Brady is the best leader he's ever seen, and since he's the HC, he could have done that at any point during the game. Since his words and actions contradict that advice, I see no reason to believe that to be the case.



Leaders don't publicly criticize. This was a classic BB move. Ream his ass in private, prop him up in public.

This is how it is done.
 
As I said in another thread when this came up -- anybody who doesn't recognize his error should have it vigorously pointed out to him until he does.

If he does seem to really see what he did wrong, however, one should be gentle with him.
 
Throwing three picks = dealing with adversity well? Brady was the solution for the Patriots. Geno was the problem for the Jets. He had no business lashing out at anyone else because he was as much at fault as his receivers were.

I dunno why everyone's saying that he showed tremendous poise and played well. Is the bar so low that a 0 TD, 3 INT performance is considered good now?
Smith played well in patches. He undid all of his good work by making bonehead decisions, holding onto the ball too long and turning it over.

Personally, I thought Smith played in totality a D- quality game but he showed signs that there may be something to work with. Luck, Wilson and RG3 have set the bar so ridiculously high for rookie QBs moving forward.
 
Smith played well in patches. He undid all of his good work by making bonehead decisions, holding onto the ball too long and turning it over.

Personally, I thought Smith played in totality a D- quality game but he showed signs that there may be something to work with. Luck, Wilson and RG3 have set the bar so ridiculously high for rookie QBs moving forward.



he played like a rookie QB, yes


he also did not look overwhelmed - good poise, made a few really, really good throws....and looked to be able to go through his progressions fairly well

he's worth building on at this point
 


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