Aaron Dobson - underestimated even as a rookie?

[supafly]

I didn't hear that they had. I just googled it and saw a couple articles mention a source saying there were discussion of a restructured contract, but that could easily mean Lloyd's side pushing and the Patriots just saying, "one year, minimum, no guarantees" or something like that.

Do you have a link that says that the Patriots officially made another offer?

You may have a point about them not wanting him I suppose, and their "offer" may have been extremely low. I think we pretty much just all heard the same stuff, so I don't have any different information that you.

Most of the reports that we all read stated something like this one:

(courtesy of James Walker for ESPN)

"The New England Patriots decided to cut receiver Brandon Lloyd after just one season, the team announced. The Patriots were in discussions with Lloyd about taking a pay cut, but could not reach a resolution before his $3 million bonus was due this weekend. "

I still believe that they would have liked to keep him for lessened money for a lessened role, but as you say--that "lessened money" may have been something ridiculously low too.

 

[NEPettyOfficer72]

You may have a point about them not wanting him I suppose, and their "offer" may have been extremely low. I think we pretty much just all heard the same stuff, so I don't have any different information that you.

Most of the reports that we all read stated something like this one:

(courtesy of James Walker for ESPN)

"The New England Patriots decided to cut receiver Brandon Lloyd after just one season, the team announced. The Patriots were in discussions with Lloyd about taking a pay cut, but could not reach a resolution before his $3 million bonus was due this weekend. "

I still believe that they would have liked to keep him for lessened money for a lessened role, but as you say--that "lessened money" may have been something ridiculously low too.

Screw Brandon Lloyd, as there is a reason that Bill Belichick did not want to keep him around. For the talent and plays that he was known for and capable of making, he simply did not in NE. He put way too much effort in simple passes, and did not present any threat down field what so ever. Defenses didn't respect him, which allowed teams to clog the middle. He was a waste and quickly went down after every single catch. Aaron Dobson is younger, but offers way more upside, softer hands and IMO a better skillset. Just needs to get acclimated with the offense and we're in business.

 

[Kontradiction]

Screw Brandon Lloyd, as there is a reason that Bill Belichick did not want to keep him around. For the talent and plays that he was known for and capable of making, he simply did not in NE. He put way too much effort in simple passes, and did not present any threat down field what so ever. Defenses didn't respect him, which allowed teams to clog the middle. He was a waste and quickly went down after every single catch. Aaron Dobson is younger, but offers way more upside, softer hands and IMO a better skillset. Just needs to get acclimated with the offense and we're in business.

I wouldn't dismiss that as a simple task for a rookie. But Dobson had a good Wonderlic which means he has somewhat of a brain on his shoulders, so I'm holding out hope. We're going to need him.

 

[MrNathanDrake]

I wouldn't be so quick to bash Lloyd.

He's a seasoned veteran with a lot of experience. Dobson hasn't even played a full 16 game season.

 

[Deus Irae]

Screw Brandon Lloyd, as there is a reason that Bill Belichick did not want to keep him around. For the talent and plays that he was known for and capable of making, he simply did not in NE. He put way too much effort in simple passes, and did not present any threat down field what so ever. Defenses didn't respect him, which allowed teams to clog the middle. He was a waste and quickly went down after every single catch. Aaron Dobson is younger, but offers way more upside, softer hands and IMO a better skillset. Just needs to get acclimated with the offense and we're in business.

Chad Jackson FTW!!!!!

 

[NEPettyOfficer72]

Chad Jackson FTW!!!!!

Chad Jackson is two inches shorter, and didn't have the size, upside, nor the intangibles and natural hands or athleticism. The only thing those two have in common is that they were both rookies. If you ask me, Chad Jackson should've stayed in college his last year. You can't compare those two.

 

[jah]

Chad Jackson is two inches shorter, and didn't have the size, upside, nor the intangibles and natural hands or athleticism. The only thing those two have in common is that they were both rookies. If you ask me, Chad Jackson should've stayed in college his last year. You can't compare those two.

Why was Jackson drafted so high then?

 

[Deus Irae]

Chad Jackson is two inches shorter, and didn't have the size, upside, nor the intangibles and natural hands or athleticism. The only thing those two have in common is that they were both rookies. If you ask me, Chad Jackson should've stayed in college his last year. You can't compare those two.

Watching you make up everything possible in order to avoid reality is never going to get old, I can tell.

 

[Ivan]

I wouldn't be so quick to bash Lloyd.

He's a seasoned veteran with a lot of experience. Dobson hasn't even played a full 16 game season.

Not too mention the fact that Lloyd is always a threat to go the full 3 ft. before being taken down. I doubt Dobson has that kind of upside.

 

[Ivan]

Why was Jackson drafted so high then?

Because PettyOfficer is only half right, he lacked the brains, hands, and intangibles but had exceptional athletic ability teams want in WR's. It is hard however, to talk "upside" when all the player has is athleticism, as it requires the brains , work ethic, and other intangibles to be realized. Belichick has gambled a number of times on sheer athleticism but ut really hasn't worked out, which is why passing on Patterson and Hunter actually makes sense and going after two guys who have the brains and intangibles as well as athletic ability is actually a better bet.,

 

[Clonamery]

Not too mention the fact that Lloyd is always a threat to go the full 3 ft. before being taken down. I doubt Dobson has that kind of upside.

Lloyd usually went down of his own accord like no player I have ever seen on an NFL football field, and that includes the young children of NFL players before or after a game. I can understand the need to avoid certain hits that might detach your brain stem but the constant need to flop and drop in place was unprecedented in my view.

In no way should my opinion deflect from his career achievements or his attempts to find employment going forward.

 

[NEPettyOfficer72]

Not too mention the fact that Lloyd is always a threat to go the full 3 ft. before being taken down. I doubt Dobson has that kind of upside.

That's the point, a threat that didn't go to the full for us last year. Or he would still be with the team. If he was such a threat, then why didn't BAL respect his presence and clog the middle like they did to us last year. After they took away Welker, we had nothing. I've seen him do more for other teams, a lot more then what he did for us, especially knowing what HE CAN DO, versus WHAT HE ACTUALLY DID.

 

[NEPettyOfficer72]

Chad Jackson FTW!!!!!

Chad Jackson's first three years 1598 yards, 15 TDs, 108 Pts
Aaron Dobson's first three years 1719 yards, 21 TDs, 126 Pts

 

[NEPettyOfficer72]

Why was Jackson drafted so high then?

Well lets see, the only high picks that year were.....

Santonio Holmes
Chad Jackson
Sinorice Moss
Greg Jennings
Travon Wilson
Brandon Williams
Derek Hagan
Maurice Stovall
Willie Reid
Brandon Marshall

There is only 2 stars, and noticeable names out of that who group compared to this year's wide receivers

Tavon Austin
DeAndre Hopkins
Cordarrelle Patterson
Justin Hunter
Robert Woods
Aaron Dobson
Markus Wheaton
Terrance Williams
Marquise Goodwin
Stedman Bailey

Much more stiff competition not to mention that Florida is a more popular program then Marshall and we all know drafts have a lot to do with the popularity of a program as well.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Well if he turns into a Marques Colston I'd be ecstatic.
But he's gonna be his own guy.
I don't think he is freakish like Julio Jones but then very few receivers are.

Optimistic about Dobson's potential but I will reserve judgment until we see what he does in training camp. If he lights it up in training camp, the hype wagon on Dobson will get a lot more buzz.

You've got to remember that most young receivers don't really hit their stride until their 3rd year. Guys like Terry Glenn, Julio Jones, AJ Green who make an impact right away are the exceptions to the rule.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Well if he turns into a Marques Colston I'd be ecstatic.
But he's gonna be his own guy.
I don't think he is freakish like Julio Jones but then very few receivers are.

Optimistic about Dobson's potential but I will reserve judgment until we see what he does in training camp. If he lights it up in training camp, the hype wagon on Dobson will get a lot more buzz.

You've got to remember that most young receivers don't really hit their stride until their 3rd year. Guys like Terry Glenn, Julio Jones, AJ Green who make an impact right away are the exceptions to the rule.

The only receiver that I ever saw, who ever had a catch like Aaron
Dobson's backhand catch, was Randy Moss. I'm not saying Aaron is Randy but he has the similar size, hands, and good speed; but not elite speed like Randy.

Aaron is brainy too, and Randy was smarter than others gave him credit for being.

 

[Oswlek]

Chad Jackson FTW!!!!!

So all second round rookie receivers are going to be failures because Jackson was? Good to know.

 

[Oswlek]

I wouldn't be so quick to bash Lloyd.

He's a seasoned veteran with a lot of experience. Dobson hasn't even played a full 16 game season.

I'd take the field with Mark Harrison and Lavelle Hawkins starting outside before welcoming Lloyd back.

 

[Deus Irae]

So all second round rookie receivers are going to be failures because Jackson was? Good to know.

No, but pointing to any 2nd round WR's "skills" as proof of future sucess is idiotic, as evidenced by Jackson, as well as many others throughough history. Saying that the only thing a 2nd round draft pick WR needs is to get acclimated to the offense is ridiculous. If it were that easy to spot the successful WRs, that position wouldn't be at the top of the annual bust rates. Dobson could end up being the greatest WR of all time. He could also be a complete bust.

 

[Oswlek]

No, but pointing to any 2nd round WR's "skills" as proof of future sucess is idiotic, as evidenced by Jackson, as well as many others throughough history. Saying that the only thing a 2nd round draft pick WR needs is to get acclimated to the offense is ridiculous. If it were that easy to spot the successful WRs, that position wouldn't be at the top of the annual bust rates. Dobson could end up being the greatest WR of all time. He could also be a complete bust.

Oh, that is perfectly reasonable, sorry for my misread. I agree that fans get overexuberant about rookies, particularly after the first round where they have a 50/50 shot of being any good. At best.