Aaron Hernandez charged with murder

[JMC00]

I see some of the "I thought he was guilty from the start" crowd is doing a victory lap trying to put down the people who didn't want to rush to judgement going off the, "very reliable media" /sarcasm, and were waiting from what came officially from law enforcement.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I look at this differently. I think the sentance is meant for the victims family and that it gives a message that the murder of that individual matters, even if the punushement is only symbolic. I know plenty of smart people who agree with you.

It is important that the police investigate and prosecute all homocides even if they believe the perpetrator is already serving a life sentance.

Yes but even if Lloyd was hetero AH should be prosecuted

 

[Bella*chick]

We don't know what they are going to argue. All the other guys were seen with guns. So it is safe to believe Lloyd had a gun too. At least that is what they would argue if this is the route they are going.

It is also based on Hernandez's state of mind. If he truly believed he was in immenent danger, then he could be found innocent of self defense. It is doubtful a jury would believe this line of defense, but it might be Hernandez's only option.

Possibly they may argue not guilty by diminished mental capacity. Another Hail Mary, but they may argue that Hernandez was so afraid for his life that his paranoia was so great that he was unable to make rational or even sane decisions. Many of his actions post murder could support that claim.

Not saying I buy self defense or dimished mental capacity, but it might be the defense's strategy especially if the evidence has him dead to rights (excuse the expression) for the murder.

Yeah, this may very well be their only option and I am sure as they are very good attorneys they will make every argument they can think of and they will do it to the best of their ability.

However. Given what we know of the timeline, AH and his companions lured the guy out (so it's 3 against 1), the guy sent texts that seemed to imply he sensed he was in danger, he was shot IN THE BACK and then shot while he lay on the ground. You are gonna have a heck of a time showing that AH was the one truly in danger, just so sure that Lloyd was gonna shoot him at any minute.
Why ask him to go out at all? Why be in his presence if it's so dangerous? It is weak, really weak.

 

[Rob0729]

Probably another way to suck Aaron dry...the guy is going to be dead broke before he knows it. With all the incriminating things he's already done neither Aaron or his Defense team has a prayer...sinking ship.

Or it is Hernandez's only hope, no matter how remote, that he can get an acquittal.

If they go a self defense or diminished mental capacity route, that means that the DA has evidence to bury him if he goes the route of claiming he didn't do it. It will require Hernandez to admit he shot Lloyd or had one of his friends shot Lloyd. That means the jury will either believe his mental state or not.

This is always the most dangerous route to go as a defendant because you are admitting to the murder. It is always a Hail Mary attempt. No lawyer worth his weight would go this route just to pad his bill. It is usually a route of last resort.

 

[BSR]

Many of the "Rush to judgment" crowd were the "laughed out of court" crowd before he was arrested. It's comedy gold they they're now pretending to be the "rush to judgment" crowd in hindsight when they were all defense lawyers before the arrest claiming flimsy evidence.

I imagine that you think this makes you look smart for predicting that AH was involved in this somehow or someway. Sorry to break it to you..but it doesn't.

 

[DarrylS]

Its a good as excuse as any.

Why don't you make an effort at making sense once and a while??

Or at least contribute to the conversation...

 

[PatsGuy]

We don't know what they are going to argue. All the other guys were seen with guns. So it is safe to believe Lloyd had a gun too. At least that is what they would argue if this is the route they are going.

It is also based on Hernandez's state of mind. If he truly believed he was in immenent danger, then he could be found innocent of self defense. It is doubtful a jury would believe this line of defense, but it might be Hernandez's only option.

Possibly they may argue not guilty by diminished mental capacity. Another Hail Mary, but they may argue that Hernandez was so afraid for his life that his paranoia was so great that he was unable to make rational or even sane decisions. Many of his actions post murder could support that claim.

Not saying I buy self defense or dimished mental capacity, but it might be the defense's strategy especially if the evidence has him dead to rights (excuse the expression) for the murder.

Allegedly, and until proven otherwise I'll stress that word, there were two other parties at the scene. Thus the claim of self defence is not valid.
In regards of "diminished capacity" why was he charged with 1st and not 2nd degree?. There was Intent and Malace behind his alleged actions. Hernandez has no hx of "diminished capacity"

 

[Rob0729]

Yeah, this may very well be their only option and I am sure as they are very good attorneys they will make every argument they can think of and they will do it to the best of their ability.

However. Given what we know of the timeline, AH and his companions lured the guy out (so it's 3 against 1), the guy sent texts that seemed to imply he sensed he was in danger, he was shot IN THE BACK and then shot while he lay on the ground. You are gonna have a heck of a time showing that AH was the one truly in danger, just so sure that Lloyd was gonna shoot him at any minute.
Why ask him to go out at all? Why be in his presence if it's so dangerous? It is weak, really weak.

That is why I think if they go with an affirmative defense, it will more likely be a dimished mental capacity defense. Probably shouldn't have said self defense.

They will most likely use his actions in the weeks before the murder and time after the murder that the fear of the Latin Kings killing him drove him to the point of making rational or sane decisions. Again, it is a Hail Mary and only will go that route if the evidence is too damning to say he wasn't involved.

They will be laying the ground work with leaks to the press about his fears just in case though. It may also work that they could argue that Lloyd was killed by the Latin Kings to get to him.

 

[Rob0729]

Allegedly, and until proven otherwise I'll stress that word, there were two other parties at the scene. Thus the claim of self defence is not valid.
In regards of "diminished capacity" why was he charged with 1st and not 2nd degree?. There was Intent and Malace behind his alleged actions. Hernandez has no hx of "diminished capacity"

The DA is arguing that it was a planned murder. If the defense argue diminished mental capacity, they will argue that he was so paranoid that he convinced everyone was out to kill him and he was not thinking rationally over a period of time, not just at the moment of the murder.

You are thinking of temporary insanity where a person just snaps and does something at the spur of the moment. Diminished mental capacity defense doesn't necessarily have to be a temporary insanity defense.

This defense route fails far more often than it succeeds and if he was guilty of the murder last summer (assuming the prosecution can get it in which will be tough), it will be impossible to win.

 

[Bella*chick]

Well, I certainly don't envy AH's lawyers. They are going to have their hands full with this one.

I mean, even the best scenarios show a guy in deep with gangs and guns. This is so bad, so, so bad for the Patriots brand. This stuff all occurred when he was a Patriot and a handsomely paid one at that.

Just horrendous.

 

[Tunescribe]

Did anyone else here have dreams about this last night? :bricks:

 

[FirstAndGoal]

I imagine that you think this makes you look smart for predicting that AH was involved in this somehow or someway. Sorry to break it to you..but it doesn't.

Nope, your imagination is pure fantasy. Likely like most things. it just makes the sniveling funny to hear when all the internet lawyers pretend they said something different.

 

[PatsGuy]

The DA is arguing that it was a planned murder. If the defense argue diminished mental capacity, they will argue that he was so paranoid that he convinced everyone was out to kill him and he was not thinking rationally.

You are thinking of temporary insanity where a person just snaps and does something at the spur of the moment. Diminished mental capacity defense doesn't necessarily have to be a temporary insanity defense.

Temporary Insanity while under the influence? or a transient psychotic episode?. Again, there is no documentation, no history at least that has ever been surfaced of either. This variation of said defence was recently tried in the Scott Fujita case and the jury rejected it. Certainly if there was any hint of it, Pats security would have been all over it prior to giving him $$$$$.

 

[BradyManny]

I keep hearing Latin King this, Latin King that. Do we have any evidence that Hernandez was tied to that gang, specifically?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Unless Lloyd had a gun or Hernandez has defensive wounds or there was some sign at all that the men struggled and Hernandez was in real, IMMEDIATE danger, they will lose, lose, lose every day and twice on Sunday.

Yeah, there's self-defense and then there's pre-emptive homicide. One's legal, the other isn't.

 

[BadMoFo]

I keep hearing Latin King this, Latin King that. Do we have any evidence that Hernandez was tied to that gang, specifically?

Just cause he's of Latino ancestry, doesn't mean he's a Latin King. He's a blood.

 

[West Philly Patriot]

A little something to lighten the mood:

You wanted to save a few bucks and not order direct tv, because you didn't you were bored on a Friday night, because you were bored on a Friday night you decided to go to a night club to pass the time socializing and mingling with some nice girls. While socializing you run into a friend you haven't seen since highschool so you have a few drinks and shoot the ****. You don't realize Aaron Hernadez has problems with your old friend and doesn't like that your having a good time with him. Two days Later Hernandez shoots you 5 times. Don't get shot 5 times by Aaron Hernandez order direct tv.

 

[fnordcircle]

So this guy took out a loan of $35k and bought 1000 bitcoins. Everyone called him stupid.

The price of bitcoins soared to $250 each a few months later, so his $35k became 2.5m.

He ignored proven investment logic, gambled bigtime on an unproven currency and got rich.

That's not being smart, that's not being right that's being lucky. It's very similar to the crowing going on now from the 'knew he was a thug all along' dudes. When it comes to media ****storms the axiom 'where there is smoke there is fire' does not always hold true. Again - look at the security guard who found the bomb at the Atlanta olympics. The media put him in their sights and destroyed his life. He was innocent and he's dead now.

Anyone who thought Aaron Hernandez was a guilty and a thug before yesterday was basing this on an entertainment medium - not an information medium. You were right, but for all the wrong reasons.

 

[pwes]

Did anyone else here have dreams about this last night? :bricks:

No but while trying to go to sleep I couldnt get the cold glaze of his face out of my head from the arraignment. Honestly it felt like a bad dream. It makes me sick to my stomach. You could just see in his face that he did it. Even though he looked surprised by how much the prosecution knew she never once looked like he was innocent.

Senseless loss of life and so many lives being affected by it.

 

[BrickPat]

Temporary Insanity while under the influence? or a transient psychotic episode?. Again, there is no documentation, no history at least that has ever been surfaced of either. This variation of said defence was recently tried in the Scott Fujita case and the jury rejected it. Certainly if there was any hint of it, Pats security would have been all over it prior to giving him $$$$$.

+1

There is no diminished capacity defense short of insanity which as you indicated there has been zero history of. The methodical planning and subsequent attempts to cover up the murder are prima facie evidence that AH knew it was wrong.

Its his attorney's job to throw every theory against the wall in his defense but that doesn't mean the rest of us should suspend reality and believe a word of it.