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funny you keep mentioning wilfork when the question of physicality comes up but when we speak about our defense we have 11 physical playmakers to talk about... unless wilfork is split out at cb or at safety, i don't know how much his 350 lbs will help ALL 60 minutes

you'd be suprised....wilfork has the stamina to play every down .... he does also drop into coverage from time to time with brutal results.....

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as for the physicality of others, love, jone, hightower, spikes....all of them

that's why the pats have forced twice as many fumbles as the niners......physicality

the niners may be faster, but the pats are bigger and more powerful ...
 
On the topic of physicality and intimidation what's the O/U on Patriots offensive plats before Mankins and Justin Smith get into an after the whistle shoving match? I'll say 5. That's going to be a war.
 
On the topic of physicality and intimidation what's the O/U on Patriots offensive plats before Mankins and Justin Smith get into an after the whistle shoving match? I'll say 5. That's going to be a war.

1st set of downs?

I am sure mankins will have his piece in it
 
I wish I could share the confidence that some of my fellow Pats fans have in this game. The 49er defense has the potential to stifle the Pats offense in the same ways the Jets and the Ravens have in past years. And they have already done it to some pretty good passing offenses. I'm particularly worried when our WR and TE are so thin on offense. On defense the Pats have improved but this 49ers team will really put that run defense to the test. Its every bit as good as Baltimores if not better but doesn't have the passing threat. This is a very dangerous team.
 
You have an excellent team with an unbelievably good defense.

However, you're going to have to pardon us while we yawn as you extol the running greatness of your QB:

The Belichick Pats are 3-0 against Vick, 2-0 against Tebow, 3-0 against McNabb and 2-1 against McNair (loss coming during the inglorious 2002 season) and 2-0 against Kordell Stewart. Just this year, they handled Locker and Tannehill easily.

BB has seen that movie already.

Agree. To expound upon your perspective, Belichick created his strategy for dealing with a running QB after Tebow had success early against the Pats. If that type of QB leaves the pocket with an option to run, forget every other option and hit him. Allow the dump off pass or option pitch outside...but make sure the QB hits the frozen ground with a 250+ pound defender on top of him. You can be sure that the contain defender on the backside of a potential stretch run is going to zero in on the QB until they are sure he doesn't have the ball.

The Niners will have to decide if a 10 yard pass or 6 yard run is worth CK getting smacked (possibly without the ability to fully protect himself). I'm thinking they may try a bootleg or two, but mainly to pass and not to spring a CK run.
 
Agree. To expound upon your perspective, Belichick created his strategy for dealing with a running QB after Tebow had success early against the Pats. If that type of QB leaves the pocket with an option to run, forget every other option and hit him. Allow the dump off pass or option pitch outside...but make sure the QB hits the frozen ground with a 250+ pound defender on top of him. You can be sure that the contain defender on the backside of a potential stretch run is going to zero in on the QB until they are sure he doesn't have the ball.

The Niners will have to decide if a 10 yard pass or 6 yard run is worth CK getting smacked (possibly without the ability to fully protect himself). I'm thinking they may try a bootleg or two, but mainly to pass and not to spring a CK run.

actually.....kaepernick getting hurt and alex smith coming in is not a scenario I prefer
 
It is not just Wilfork, who is physical. It is unheard of but Wilfork has more sacks than your Bowman. The Niners have a good set of 240# LBs. But the Pats have a entire corps of very young, and very good, 250-265 # LBs, who are just coming into thier own.

Mayo is a young tackling machine, and a multiple Probowler. Spikes is starting to receive Probowl nominations, and he forced Mayo to Weakside LB, with his thunderous hits at MLB. Spikes is the hardest hitter on the Patriots. Hightower the Alabama 1st round rookie, has started since the first game, highly unusual on a Belichick team, and wit hthe forced experience, is now no longer playing like just a rookie, as Belichick himself has observed.

They were playing pretty standard defenses early on, but in the second half of this season Bill has allowed them to start to blitz. Mayo, Hightower and Spikes are doing fine at it, even if three of Spikes sacks, and a couple others from the other pair, were turned into flags for "unneccessary roughness" tackles.
 
CK has been accounting for nearly half the 49ers running yards since taking over so containing him as well as Gore is the key. Bad news for SF is Hoculi's crew is going the game and they've called the 5th most offensive holding penalties by crew. This is bad because SF has the most offensive holding calls in the league. If they get off schedule they're in big trouble.

Sorry to highlight your post, as your not the only one, but people who are throwing out that Kap has only thrown 3 td passes are misleading his stats. I think to be fair you have to also point out that he has 5 rushing TDs in four and a half games as well. So he has accounted for 8 TDs in four and a half games. Nothing earthshattering, but not bad either.

Agree. To expound upon your perspective, Belichick created his strategy for dealing with a running QB after Tebow had success early against the Pats. If that type of QB leaves the pocket with an option to run, forget every other option and hit him. Allow the dump off pass or option pitch outside...but make sure the QB hits the frozen ground with a 250+ pound defender on top of him. You can be sure that the contain defender on the backside of a potential stretch run is going to zero in on the QB until they are sure he doesn't have the ball.

The Niners will have to decide if a 10 yard pass or 6 yard run is worth CK getting smacked (possibly without the ability to fully protect himself). I'm thinking they may try a bootleg or two, but mainly to pass and not to spring a CK run.

In the recent history of the Pats using your QB as a RB has been quite possibly the worst recipe for success ever

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The fact that Kaepernick has been more dangerous with his legs than his arm is a valid critique of him going into this game.
 
In the recent history of the Pats using your QB as a RB has been quite possibly the worst recipe for success ever

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The fact that Kaepernick has been more dangerous with his legs than his arm is a valid critique of him going into this game.

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I don't think they stunt a lot. But when they do, they are effective and it seems those are the plays that some QBs get anxious and make bad throws, which can lead to turnovers. I wouldn't expect Brady to get happy feet and make bad throws. But a throwaway is good for the D too. Basically, if the front 4 isn't getting it done, they will blitz.

I'll definitely take your word for this since you obviously watch more of their games than I do, but I thought it was interesting that Bruschi mentioned the Smith&Smith stunt being something to be concerned about. Overall I'm more comfortable if they use this strategy to create pressure since the Pats' OL is well coached, and usually struggle most when they're simply outclassed by the DL. It should be interesting to see how this all plays out Sun!
 
yes...yes....I get it.....the 9ers are supposedly more physical than anyone......with the emphasis on supposedly......but they're not......they are a fast defense who will get pushed around on sunday


wilfork is 6'2" > 350, and has outstanding conditioning.........the blunt force trauma he delivers is matched by nobody...

Wilfy in an interview talked about how he swims for conditioning. I think that this is an excellent full body aerobic exercise that has an added benefit for a huge guy in that it is no impact on knees and ankles, instead improving flexibility.

I be he swims competitively with killer whale pods to keep mentally sharp too.
Hmmmm. I wonder if he finds them tasty?
 
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as teams, the pats have handled more substantial pass pressure teams than the niners.....the niners publicity as a high pressure pass rush comes from the fact that smith has roughly 60% of the teams sacks.

the niners aren't really a big sacking team.....

Actually, their 30 sacks is tops in the NFL.
 
I don't often predict specific games. But I think that the 49ers have a set of unique weaknesses that Belichick's team can exploit.

a) They play their defensive starters the whole game. All 10 of 11 defensive starters are averaging 95% of the snaps and even more. That makes them susceptible to the wearing effects of the speedy no-huddle.

b) Their pass rush is very unbalanced. It comes from only four players,withan outsized amount from only Aldon Smith.
Aldon Smith, OLB 19.5 sacks
Ahmed Brooks, OLB 5.5 sacks
Justin Smith, DE 3 sacks
Novaro Bowman LB 2 sacks

c) They decided that Alex Smith won't take them all the way, so they are playing an inexperieced rookie QB, after they thought they safely clinched a Playoff berth and bye.

d) The losses that the 49ers had were to teams that ran the ball right at them, and completed short passes against them.

e) Their Defense is a 3-4 one gapping Defense like the Steelers, Texans and Ravens play.

Belichick has always found a way to take the oppositions best player away. Expect another JJ Watt episode. Belichick has built a team that specializes in the run and the short pass along with the no huddle as a means of wearing out the opposition in the second half; and as important, negating the pass rush.

Belichick teams have had mixed resullts playing against rookie QBs, UNLESS he has some film of the rookie. Then the results are disasterous for the inexperienced QB. Kaepernick has started enough for their to be some film of his tendencies.

Finally, Belichick's teams have seldom had problems playing against a one gapping 3-4, provided his team has a semblance of a running game.

Add in the MVP QB play of Tom Brady. Then consider that the overload 49ers post against the OLT and OLG with the Smith duo is their basis for all their pass rush. Seldom do they run across a pair of strengths like Nate Solder and Logan Mankins. All of this adds up to the high probability of a mismatch in favor of the Pats.

OTOH, the 49ers amazingly resemble the Ravens. They possess a great pass rusher Aldon Smith, equivalent to Terance Suggs, a great MLB Patrick Willis, equivalent to Ray Lewis, and a heady Safety, Dashon Goldson, almost equivalent to Ed Reed. They even have a great RB Frank Gore, their equivalent to Ray Rice. They don't seem to have a Ngata or a experienced QB like Flacco. Sopoaga and rookie Colin Kaepernick are but pale imitations. But Whitner is a good SS.

Baltimore has given the Pats headaches but usually lose, although not this year.
 
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also, 1-gap 3-4's are big on overpursuit
 
I, for one, am dreading the sight of Brandon Spikes chasing Davis down the seam. After Gore, he's the one player Belichick should key on.

This.

Early-down play action when Spikes and Hightower are in to contain Gore is likely to be our D's weakest link. Those 9er offensive line is probably the best run blocking group around, and those guys are going to want to be heading downhill to take on their blocks. In the Nickel, one of them is likely to draw the matchup with him on occasion, too. I wouldn't be suprised if BB put Nink over Davis sometimes to pound him before handing him off to coverage, which works well with the contain-pass rush strategy. Blitzing one of these big, not-as-fast LBs might be part of the plan, too.
 
This.

Early-down play action when Spikes and Hightower are in to contain Gore is likely to be our D's weakest link. Those 9er offensive line is probably the best run blocking group around, and those guys are going to want to be heading downhill to take on their blocks. In the Nickel, one of them is likely to draw the matchup with him on occasion, too. I wouldn't be suprised if BB put Nink over Davis sometimes to pound him before handing him off to coverage, which works well with the contain-pass rush strategy. Blitzing one of these big, not-as-fast LBs might be part of the plan, too.

well....the good news is that davis has become virtually non existent since kaepernick became QB
 
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