Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

[VJCPatriot]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

Okay, now you can shoot my idea down and tell me how much of a loony bin I was for suggesting this!

1. I don't think Rex could stand being second fiddle to BB.
2. I don't think Rex could keep his big mouth shut. He just loves to yap and so do his players.
3. I don't think Rex has been all that great in the past 2 seasons.
Jets defensive rankings
2012 Yards 17th Scoring 24th
2011 Yards 5th Scoring 20th

His Jet defenses did quite well in 2010 and 2009 and those happen to coincide with Revis blossoming into his prime. But now? Meh, he looks very ordinary without very talented personnel.

 

[ALP]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

I'd love to have Rex here

he'd be a DC of course, and would have to watch his mouth, but that is a condition for anyone that comes here, mostly players recently

time to infuse our defense with new coaches, ive come to that belief, current guys cant get it done, lets see if we have any luck w/ some outside help....it sure cant get too much worse haha

 

[Kid~Brady]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

AHA!!!! That means I get.....

Glad I could complete your life by doing so my friend.

And pick a better photo next time, one without the company's trademarks and advertisements all over it. LOL

 

[Kid~Brady]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

1. I don't think Rex could stand being second fiddle to BB.
2. I don't think Rex could keep his big mouth shut. He just loves to yap and so do his players.
3. I don't think Rex has been all that great in the past 2 seasons.
Jets defensive rankings
2012 Yards 17th Scoring 24th
2011 Yards 5th Scoring 20th

His Jet defenses did quite well in 2010 and 2009 and those happen to coincide with Revis blossoming into his prime. But now? Meh, he looks very ordinary without very talented personnel.

All of this could be true, no issues here. I just suggest it because whether we like to admit it or not, Rex is a hell of a defensive coordinator. Matt Patrica..... you really feel good about that? Honestly?

I would welcome RAC before Rex, but wouldn't turn the idea down either. Atleast he could draft better defensive backs for us, something we've also failed at.

 

[Haley]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

Imagine there's no fat mouth
No emo man who'll cry
No headset thrown below us
Above us a defense guy
Imagine all the patsfans
Cheering for the Wrecks
Yoohooooooo
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday he will join us
And his mouth forever will be gone

After the thread title, I couldn't resist.

 

[SeymourTrophies]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

Schematically, it wouldn't work. That's the end of the conversation.

I get why people entertain that pipedream, but mutual respect does not always mean cooperation.

I'd love to have RAC though. Maybe he puts a Josh McD and gives up on the head coach gig.

 

[Kid~Brady]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

Schematically, it wouldn't work. That's the end of the conversation.

I get why people entertain that pipedream, but mutual respect does not always mean cooperation.

I'd love to have RAC though. Maybe he puts a Josh McD and gives up on the head coach gig.

I doubt he really has a choice at this point.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

All of this could be true, no issues here. I just suggest it because whether we like to admit it or not, Rex is a hell of a defensive coordinator. Matt Patrica..... you really feel good about that? Honestly?

I would welcome RAC before Rex, but wouldn't turn the idea down either. Atleast he could draft better defensive backs for us, something we've also failed at.

Really? Like Kyle Wilson? LOL

New York Jets All-Time Draft History - Pro-Football-Reference.com

 

[Kid~Brady]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

Really? Like Kyle Wilson? LOL

New York Jets All-Time Draft History - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Lol, no like Darius Butler, Pat Chung and Kyle Arrington.....

 

[Kontradiction]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

Lol, no like Darius Butler, Pat Chung and Kyle Arrington.....

Name me one good starting CB that Ryan actually drafted in his tenure with Jets. (HINT: Revis is not one of them)

 

[MoLewisrocks]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

Lol, no like Darius Butler, Pat Chung and Kyle Arrington.....

Tannembaum pulls the string on drafts and FA acquisitions and trades in NY. Bill pulls all those strings here. Just as another of his protoges, Ozzie does in Baltimore. Rex has never been more than a technician tasked with making the best of the hand he's dealt - and it worked better within the confines of a defensive system and personnel that were already long in place in Baltimore. All Rex could bring to the table here would be schematic frustration andcap trouble along with the potential to divide a locker room. Kind of like what happened when one of his former charges was brought in here. AD. Who struggled with the reality that on a BB team guys including the DC's who coach them were not allowed to just do what came natural to them or in a former setting... That's also what Pees left here in search of. As did Dom Capers after a brief stopover to catch his breath after bombing out in Miami on Saban's watch.

 

[Kid~Brady]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

Name me one good starting CB that Ryan actually drafted in his tenure with Jets. (HINT: Revis is not one of them)

Probably the same amount that the Patriots have drafted.

How many CBs did BB draft when he was with the Giants?
How many CBs did Rex draft when he was with the Ravens?

You're right, maybe they both suck at it. I just think we could use someone else in here. Rexy was just an option, so is RAC. Shux, maybe Mangini like the other thread proposed, its better than what we currently have.

 

[Kid~Brady]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

Tannembaum pulls the string on drafts and FA acquisitions and trades in NY. Bill pulls all those strings here. Just as another of his protoges, Ozzie does in Baltimore. Rex has never been more than a technician tasked with making the best of the hand he's dealt - and it worked better within the confines of a defensive system and personnel that were already long in place in Baltimore. All Rex could bring to the table here would be schematic frustration andcap trouble along with the potential to divide a locker room. Kind of like what happened when one of his former charges was brought in here. AD. Who struggled with the reality that on a BB team guys including the DC's who coach them were not allowed to just do what came natural to them or in a former setting... That's also what Pees left here in search of. As did Dom Capers after a brief stopover to catch his breath after bombing out in Miami on Saban's watch.

True. Thats definately a scenario that could happen as well. I agree fully.

 

[Finnishfan]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

Ok lets do this breakdown thing you seem to like.

It a football game there is a winner and a loser.

Correction, there are 60+ winners and losers, DC is just one of them. Unless you want to claim here that DC = The entire team.

The winner was successful the loser was not. There is no other reasonable definition for success.

Are you the official owner of english language, becouse I just brought you 3 different OFFICIAL definitions for the word success and you argue that no other definition is legit.

Just say if you own the language and I call Merriam-Webster immidiately and have them remove all those false definitions.

The rest of what you said is useless rhetoric.

You used different interpretation of the word than him, there is nothing rhetoric about saying that.

A point within my argument was that the Patriot system has had more success than anything Ryan has done.

Again, yes, you are correct, with the definition of success you have. But it's far far far away from an ultimate truth.

Well, that wasn't my point, so it can't really be invalidated.

This doesnt make any sense.

(see what I did there, I made you answer to yourself)

How can you possibly say that winning isn't a factor in how good a job any coach does? Its the reason you play. To call it irrelevant is simply wrong.

I didn't say that winning isnt a factor. I said that you cannot measure DCs skills by counting his TEAMS trophies. Note the uppercase word there. That goes hand in hand with my first point, which is an undeniable fact.

A decent DC can have great players on his unit and a great offense to support him, which means that he beats stellar DC with crappy players and poor offense propably 9 times out of 10.

Example: We are currently 9th in this league. Does this mean that Matt Patricia is the 9th best DC in the league?

Just in case you dont remember, here is the comment again:

You cannot measure DCs ability to coach a defense by counting his teams' trophies, because that would require you to make ceteris paribus assumption which means that for instance the performance of the offense or the skill levels of the defensive players are meaningless in that equasion.

I cannot get my head around the fact that you fail to see the flaws in your logic. Wins and titles are good evidence, but not a way to measure individual coaches (except HCs).

 

[Rob0729]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

Probably the same amount that the Patriots have drafted.

How many CBs did BB draft when he was with the Giants?
How many CBs did Rex draft when he was with the Ravens?

You're right, maybe they both suck at it. I just think we could use someone else in here. Rexy was just an option, so is RAC. Shux, maybe Mangini like the other thread proposed, its better than what we currently have.

The big difference is that Ryan's defensive philosophy is building from the outside in and Belichick's is building from the inside out. Ryan wants a strong defensive backfield which allows him to throw exotic blitzes leaving CBs in single coverage more often. Belichick believes in building in the trenches out. So if Ryan blows a CB pick, it is a bigger deal.

Besides, name the defensive players the Jets have developed into solid starters under Ryan. All their best players were/are veterans who he either inherited from the Mangini regime or acquired in free agency or trades. The only one I can think of is Wilkerson and he is a good, not great player. If one of Patricia's biggest knocks is that he is unable to develop d-back talent, what makes anyone positive that Ryan can be any more successful based on his track record?

 

[Kid~Brady]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

The big difference is that Ryan's defensive philosophy is building from the outside in and Belichick's is building from the inside out. Ryan wants a strong defensive backfield which allows him to throw exotic blitzes leaving CBs in single coverage more often. Belichick believes in building in the trenches out. So if Ryan blows a CB pick, it is a bigger deal.

Besides, name the defensive players the Jets have developed into solid starters under Ryan. All their best players were/are veterans who he either inherited from the Mangini regime or acquired in free agency or trades. The only one I can think of is Wilkerson and he is a good, not great player. If one of Patricia's biggest knocks is that he is unable to develop d-back talent, what makes anyone positive that Ryan can be any more successful based on his track record?

Good analysis. I agree with your points as well. Like aforementioned, I guess as fans, we get tired of the same thing. It seems when something isn't working.... for long periods of time, we want to see change. It could be as simple as that in most cases.

I still think we can use another defensive mind on this team, even if it is just for CB coaching. As much as I hate Ratgini for what he did, the guy is also a hell of a coach in that aspect.

 

[Snake Eyes]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

The big difference is that Ryan's defensive philosophy is building from the outside in and Belichick's is building from the inside out. Ryan wants a strong defensive backfield which allows him to throw exotic blitzes leaving CBs in single coverage more often. Belichick believes in building in the trenches out. So if Ryan blows a CB pick, it is a bigger deal.

Is that Ryan's philosophy or is he just playing to the Jets strengths?

 

[Ring 6]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

Ok lets do this breakdown thing you seem to like.



Correction, there are 60+ winners and losers, DC is just one of them. Unless you want to claim here that DC = The entire team.



Are you the official owner of english language, becouse I just brought you 3 different OFFICIAL definitions for the word success and you argue that no other definition is legit.

Just say if you own the language and I call Merriam-Webster immidiately and have them remove all those false definitions.



You used different interpretation of the word than him, there is nothing rhetoric about saying that.



Again, yes, you are correct, with the definition of success you have. But it's far far far away from an ultimate truth.



(see what I did there, I made you answer to yourself)


I didn't say that winning isnt a factor. I said that you cannot measure DCs skills by counting his TEAMS trophies. Note the uppercase word there. That goes hand in hand with my first point, which is an undeniable fact.

A decent DC can have great players on his unit and a great offense to support him, which means that he beats stellar DC with crappy players and poor offense propably 9 times out of 10.

Example: We are currently 9th in this league. Does this mean that Matt Patricia is the 9th best DC in the league?

Just in case you dont remember, here is the comment again:



I cannot get my head around the fact that you fail to see the flaws in your logic. Wins and titles are good evidence, but not a way to measure individual coaches (except HCs).

You would probably easily get your head around it if you read what I wrote instead of fitting what I wrote into the argument you wish to make.
At no point did I say that the winning is only due to the DC or that the only judgment of a DC is winning.
You have created an entire argument with yourself by pretending that is what I said.

 

[Rob0729]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

Is that Ryan's philosophy or is he just playing to the Jets strengths?

Hard to tell because he had a strong secondary in Baltimore too with guys like Ed Reed, Chris McAllister, Samari Rolle, and Dawan Landry (at least for a short time). I would say it had more to do with the philosophy since he went hard after Asomugha, paid Cromartie big bucks to be CB #2, and drafted Wilson in the first round when he had more pressing needs.

 

[Snake Eyes]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

Hard to tell because he had a strong secondary in Baltimore too with guys like Ed Reed, Chris McAllister, Samari Rolle, and Dawan Landry (at least for a short time). I would say it had more to do with the philosophy since he went hard after Asomugha, paid Cromartie big bucks to be CB #2, and drafted Wilson in the first round when he had more pressing needs.

Do you think it could be that he was trying to get the best talent available rather than select by need?