Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

[Ring 6]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

Overall, maybe... but thats stats, we know what we say about stats.

There's no way our pass defense would take a turn for the worse with Rex here, it can't possibly get any worse than it currently is. I think the scheme altogether needs to be revamped. The defenders are like statues, they can't confuse Mark Sanchez for God's sake.

Wake up.

Wake up? So you want to abandon our scheme to adopt one that allows more points and has never been as successful?
Clearly Rex Ryan's blathering about his greatness has influenced you.

 

[everlong]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

As pointed out by others Bill didn't elevate Rob Ryan to DC so I can't see him ever bringing in Rex. I do think Dunkin Donuts could do some really entertaining Rex and Gronk commercials.

If Rex got canned I think the Eagles and Chargers would take long looks at him as a HC to come in and fix their defenses. I would think they would want input into his OC since he hasn't done really well selecting them himself with Shotzy and Sparano.

If he goes the DC route and Payton returns to NO I can see him trying to recreate the magic he had with bringing in Williams and it's a high profile job for Rex.

 

[Ring 6]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

The whole "the Jets are giving up more points" thing really is missing a few points.

As someone mentioned there's the Sanchez factor.

But there's also this: the starting NT and #1 CB are both out...take Vince out of the Pats team and what do you think would happen?

He also has to contend with a big lack of quality that can't be disposed of due to bad contracts given out by the GM, look at the Jets starting defense and not one of the LBs (Pace, Harris, Scott, Thomas) would start for the Patriots and not many of the D-line would either.

They gave up more points last year with Revis.

 

[Ring 6]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

Well I'm sure you've been quite the puker after watching this defense on a weekly basis.

The Jets defense has been worse.

 

[Big-T]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

They gave up more points last year with Revis.

But the "points allowed" stat always includes pick 6s and fumbles returned for TDs so isn't accurate.

 

[Ring 6]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

The way his defenses operated in Baltimore and against us earlier in his tenure with the Jets. His defenses have fallen off in the last couple of years, but that also coincides with a loss or lack of talent (something that can be blamed on the defense's woes here). The guy knows defense, just as Belichick does. Give him the horses to run his scheme and history has shown that it's been pretty effective.

Baltimore? Really? They were better before he was the DC and better after he left. They stunk his last year, and got Billick fired. He had the most talent in the league to work with.
History has shown if you give him the most talent he does OK.
The Patriots defense declining hasn't been due to a loss or lack of talent?
Do the names Seymour, Warren, Vrabel, Bruschi, Samuel, Harrison, Law, Colvin mean anything to you?
How about Butler, Wilhite, Guyton, Love, Ninkovich, Arrington, Brown, Gregory, Chung, Ihedigbo, Burgess, Banta-Cain, O'Neal, etc, etc.

 

[Kid~Brady]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

Nope. He would

It's a stupid thread becasue this will never happen. Ever.

Its a stupid thread because you hate Rex Ryan, understandable.

 

[ThatllMoveTheChains!!!]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

Oh okay, still better than the Pats. We aren't top five in anything, never will be at this rate. Sorry to be so negative but BB has to get off his highhorse and do something about it.

Definitely, but I don't think the gap is large enough to bring in an outside coach that's so philosophically different than BB. I'm not just talking about schemes and strategies either; I'm also referring to how he coaches his players and handles himself on and off the field. Bringing in Rex would likely cause a split in the locker room at some point as well as the coaching staff.

 

[Kid~Brady]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

Wake up? So you want to abandon our scheme to adopt one that allows more points and has never been as successful?
Clearly Rex Ryan's blathering about his greatness has influenced you.

Yes. simple

 

[DocHoliday]

I don't get the RAC ***********

It's not like the guy has been super stellar.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

That could well happen in January similar to Josh McD last year
He might just do it as a swan song temporary advisor thingy before retirement

Romeo, Romeo wherefore art thou?

I'm where my ego always persisted in believing I belonged, HC'ing, based on my view of my coaching capacity as more significant than it ever was. I was finally forced to demote myself last week after making the mistake of trying to fill two jobs and performing abysmally. The only reason I took the gig with Pioli was because I saw the potential to get one more shot at proving I could do something I cannot, become a head coach once the golf pro got axed and Pioli got the yips about salvaging his own overstated legacy. If I continue to work at my age it will be as a HC only, so likely I'll be heading back to some jerkwater college like my pal Charlie. We each have three rings we believe we contributed to more significantly than the HC or QB or talent the defacto GM there surrounded us with. We are not seeking more jewelry at this time in our lives, rather we are banking sucker money and continuing our futile quests for validation... We know it, Bill knows it, sadly fans are oblivious to it.

 

[Big-T]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

If Rex & Romeo are a no go, I will give it a go for $250,000 a year

That's way below the league average too apparently:

The article adds that the average NFL defensive coordinator salary is approximately $850,000

...it's not like things could get too much worse

 

[Kid~Brady]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

Definitely, but I don't think the gap is large enough to bring in an outside coach that's so philosophically different than BB. I'm not just talking about schemes and strategies either; I'm also referring to how he coaches his players and handles himself on and off the field. Bringing in Rex would likely cause a split in the locker room at some point as well as the coaching staff.

I see your points and I here you, trust me but something has got to give. If we can bring a person such Aquib with a checkered past like his, we've clearly strayed from that.

 

[RodThePat]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

Wake up? So you want to abandon our scheme to adopt one that allows more points and has never been as successful?
Clearly Rex Ryan's blathering about his greatness has influenced you.

You say Ryan has never been as successful coaching defenses as Belichick, right? Well, he became the Ravens DC in 2005. Since then, here is how he compares with Bill. I'm going to show how Ryan coached teams and the Patriots have ranked both in points and yards allowed since 2005:

Rex Ryan:

2005 - Points allowed: 10th Yards allowed: 5th

2006 - Points allowed: 1st Yards allowed: 1st

2007 - Points allowed: 22nd Yards allowed: 6th

2008 - Points allowed: 3rd Yards allowed: 2nd

2009 - Points allowed: 1st Yards allowed: 1st

2010 - Points allowed: 6th Yards allowed: 3rd

2011 - Points allowed: 20th Yards allowed: 5th


Bill Belichick:

2005 - Points allowed: 17th Yards allowed: 26th

2006 - Points allowed: 2nd Yards allowed: 6th

2007 - Points allowed: 4th Yards allowed: 4th

2008 - Points allowed: 8th Yards allowed: 10th

2009 - Points allowed: 5th Yards allowed: 11th

2010 - Points allowed: 8th Yards allowed: 25th

2011 - Points allowed: 15th Yards allowed: 31st

I don't see how you can say Rex Ryan's defenses have never been as successful as Belichick's. In fact, he has a better recent trackrecord than Bill does, and those Ravens defenses of '06, '08, and the Jets' of '09 are arguably as good as any defense Belichick has put together as the Patriots head coach. Let's not get carried away here, Rex Ryan is a damn good defensive coach. He's a gameplan guy, just like Bill is, and has tremendous knowledge of the game. I'd be glad to bring him in here, as a guy with a different philosophy, with whom Belichick could bounce ideas back and forth. I'm not saying he's better than Belichick as a coach, or that he knows defenses better than him, I just think it would be interesting to bring in a guy with his own experiences and ideas. Bill has surrounded himself with guys that he himself brought into football, and pretty much all they know is what Belichick taught them. That's not the best way to run this team, Bill, as great as he is, still needs to be challenged, especially considering that recently what he has done hasn't been working.

The defensive numbers for the Patriots in recent seasons aren't as bad as their on field performance may lead us to believe, but having a historically great offense greatly skews those statistics. They seldom have short drives, and they turn the ball over less than pretty much every single team. Aside from that, the defense has a lead to work with from the get-go in almost every game. That's tremendously helpful.

 

[FirstAndGoal]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

Rex is toxic now. He's a media creation like Tebow.


Imagine Rex as a coach for the Pats. The media would be begging to hear from Rex every 2 seconds and Rex would step right up with his mouth.

Every time there would be a question on the Pats, they would want to hear from Rex. Everything something goes wrong, the media would try and get Rex to sell himself as a replacement head coach.


Nope, Rex is toxic to the league as an assistant now. He's either got to make it as a head coach or he'll tear a team apart as an assistant because he's a media creation...

 

[ThatllMoveTheChains!!!]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

I see your points and I here you, trust me but something has got to give. If we can bring a person such Aquib with a checkered past like his, we've clearly strayed from that.

The question is do you think Rex would be more important than the players we have (or are going to have) with checkered pasts. I don't think that you could have both, just like I think the Pats are unlikely to add more than 1-2 more character concern players at this point. Locker rooms can reach a tipping point and then you're forced to waste time trying to right it. I think BB would have to keep a very tight locker room if Rex was brought in because of the bloated egos he fosters.

 

[fnordcircle]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

You guys who cite Ryan's media personality as the reason he couldn't come here are really off base.

Many coaches - Belichick included - clearly have one personality with the media and another with their players.

There's no way Ryan would come here without knowing how the team expects its assistants to conduct themselves and just like his brother I'm sure he could fall in-line with that.

I'd love to have him here, I think his defenses have outperformed ours despite having less talent most of his years with the Jets. Sure Revis and Harris are better at their positions than anyone we've got, imo, but other than that he's had to deal with a lot of ****ty front office moves.

If Ryan is let go at the end of this season I could absolutely see it happening.

 

[Kontradiction]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

Try to read this entire post before responding in haste...

Baltimore? Really? They were better before he was the DC and better after he left.

Ray Lewis and Ed Reed were also younger. The quarterback was also Kyle Boller. They didn't get much of anything done as a team with that offense. Further, that offense was constantly putting the defense on the field. In the Ravens' last down year with Ryan as DC (2007), their defense was ranked 6th (compared to the undefeated Patriots at 4th).

They stunk his last year, and got Billick fired. He had the most talent in the league to work with.

Ryan's last year with the Ravens was 2008. That year, his defense was ranked 2nd in the entire league. It was good enough to lead a team with a rookie quarterback and head coach to the AFCCG where they lost to the eventual Super Bowl champions.

The year you're thinking about is 2007, his second to last season. Again, he had a top ten defense on the field and wasn't the reason Billick got fired. Billick got fired because the offense was awful, the team was in disarray, and they completely tanked the season after the loss to the Patriots (giving the lowly Dolphins their first win).

History has shown if you give him the most talent he does OK.
The Patriots defense declining hasn't been due to a loss or lack of talent?
Do the names Seymour, Warren, Vrabel, Bruschi, Samuel, Harrison, Law, Colvin mean anything to you?
How about Butler, Wilhite, Guyton, Love, Ninkovich, Arrington, Brown, Gregory, Chung, Ihedigbo, Burgess, Banta-Cain, O'Neal, etc, etc.

You should really make more of an attempt to read my post before you respond to it in haste. I echoed the same sentiments...

His defenses have fallen off in the last couple of years, but that also coincides with a loss or lack of talent (something that can be blamed on the defense's woes here).

I've also been very adament throughout the entire season that I believe the defense's woes are talent related and not coaching related. Further, I stated in my first post that I can't see him ever getting the DC position here. For one, his mouth. For another, the difference from his scheme to Belichick's.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

I don't get the RAC ***********

It's not like the guy has been super stellar.

It's a fanboy Q rating thing. Just like they want a Revis or wanted say an Asamougha over a McCourty or every overhyped FA who ever hits the market. They don't grasp the team building vs. perceived talent collection concept that extends here to the organization as well as the on field product. They want someone with name recognition who did something once in an environment totally unrelated to the one that exists here. Any guy who won something here once upon a time with a veteran team constructed totally different from the present day iteration or anyone who won on a totally dissimilar team (even if he didn't win more than some games and especially if he ever beat us) is clearly preferable to the clowns Bill plucks these days from mining and engineering schools... They might just as easily be talked into wanting somone else's up and comer position coach if the media would just enlighten them as to who that guy might be... :bricks:

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

re: Rex Ryan...just "imagine" for a second... him as the DC for the Pats

I'm where my ego always persisted in believing I belonged, HC'ing, based on my view of my coaching capacity as more significant than it ever was. I was finally forced to demote myself last week after making the mistake of trying to fill two jobs and performing abysmally. The only reason I took the gig with Pioli was because I saw the potential to get one more shot at proving I could do something I cannot, become a head coach once the golf pro got axed and Pioli got the yips about salvaging his own overstated legacy. If I continue to work at my age it will be as a HC only, so likely I'll be heading back to some jerkwater college like my pal Charlie. We each have three rings we believe we contributed to more significantly than the HC or QB or talent the defacto GM there surrounded us with. We are not seeking more jewelry at this time in our lives, rather we are banking sucker money and continuing our futile quests for validation... We know it, Bill knows it, sadly fans are oblivious to it.

So, when did RAC run over your dog?