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Re: Cowherd says Brady's claim that the team is keeping guys fresh is pure B.S.

I agree that keeping him fresh is pure B.S. But I certainly hope that Belichick isn't stupid enough to keep Welker on the bench to start the game out of spite. I still contend that it has to be a lingering injury.

There can be n number of reasons one can only guess......

Maybe they are preparing for life after Welker if he leaves next year
Maybe they do not want to risk any injury to him
Maybe they are saving plays involving welker for tougher opponents
Maybe
Maybe
Maybe


I donno what this fuss is about, If Brady would have targeted him a lot that would mean less throws to TEnds and then the mediots would say y throw money at the TE when u dont want to throw to him.........

Just shows that you can keep everyone happy
 
Re: Stephen A Smith going of on Brady

You do get that theres no "truth" here, right?

Welker-gate is conjecture on top of imagination on top of guesswork wrapped around the attempt to prove the unprovable.

Welker has been targeted 15% less over two games than was his average for last year.

Yell conspiracy all you want but it doesnt take drinking koolaid to see through your "truths"

Hernandez was lost on the 3rd play of the game. Pointing to Welker's snap numbers under such circumstances is useless.
 
Re: Cowherd says Brady's claim that the team is keeping guys fresh is pure B.S.

There can be n number of reasons one can only guess......

Maybe they are preparing for life after Welker if he leaves next year
Maybe they do not want to risk any injury to him
Maybe they are saving plays involving welker for tougher opponents
Maybe
Maybe
Maybe


I donno what this fuss is about, If Brady would have targeted him a lot that would mean less throws to TEnds and then the mediots would say y throw money at the TE when u dont want to throw to him.........

Just shows that you can keep everyone happy

Not one of your "maybes" justifies what the Patriots have done.
 
Re: Cowherd says Brady's claim that the team is keeping guys fresh is pure B.S.

Not one of your "maybes" justifies what the Patriots have done.

:rofl: there were many Maybes but i only listed a few...
here are few more

Maybe BB is saving him for the SB
Maybe WW is not in BBs fantasy team
Maybe WW used the dog ate my playbook excuse......
Maybe
Maybe
Maybe


Just kidding .......
 
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Re: Cowherd says Brady's claim that the team is keeping guys fresh is pure B.S.

There can be n number of reasons one can only guess......

Maybe they are preparing for life after Welker if he leaves next year

They can do that in TC and preseason of next year.

Maybe they do not want to risk any injury to him

He's a football player. He risks injury every time he steps foot on the field. As does Brady, Wilfork, Mayo, Jones, etc.

Maybe they are saving plays involving welker for tougher opponents

At the expense of a loss against a "weaker" opponent?

I donno what this fuss is about, If Brady would have targeted him a lot that would mean less throws to TEnds and then the mediots would say y throw money at the TE when u dont want to throw to him.........

The fuss is about the Patriots not fielding the best team that they possibly can, because they decided to put Edelman out there to start the drive, a guy who hasn't shown that he can do HALF of the stuff that Welker can even when Welker has been doubled and he's been facing single coverage, instead of the best slot receiver in the NFL.

Just shows that you can keep everyone happy

No you can't. But, outside of lingering injury which they were trying to keep wraps on until Hernandez went down, benching Welker for Edelman to start the game makes zero sense.
 
I would think that Welker is a popular guy among teammates because he is the consumate professional who does all is asked of him and if Bill is screwing around with his time on the field and using spite to interfere with the quality on offense like replacing his eliteness with an average Edelman,then he is doing an injustice to this team and possibly its locker room unity down the road.

I find it hard to believe a coach this smart and HOF bound is choosing money issues with a top athlete to lower chances of offensive output and success......it makes no sense to me and I really wish we all knew the damned truth.

This crap is only going to get worse if Welker continues to be kept on a leash on the sidelines.

At this point Welker is heading for a 600-700 yard season...he is better than that.
 
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Mike Reiss's mailbag and article

New England Patriots Mailbag: Sorting out the Wes Welker issue - ESPN Boston

Q. Hey Mike, my question concerns Wes Welker. Could this just be BB trying Julian Edelman in the starting role to have a better idea of Welker's importance to the team? If they can win with Edelman, BB would feel better about letting Welker go after the season. It feels like he learned from the Richard Seymour trade that you can't get rid of your stars unless you're sure other players can fill the hole. Thoughts? -- Justin (San Francisco)

A. Justin, call me naïve, but I truly don't believe this is anything but a result of a meritocracy. My first instinct was that it was a shame what was happening to Welker, who has done great things for the franchise from 2007 to 2011 but is being phased out because of the contract situation. Then I went back and re-watched the game with an attempt to remove any preconceived bias, reported a bit on the storyline with context going back to the spring, and came to the following conclusion: This is a bigger media issue than it is a football issue. I understand why, because it's interesting given some of the factors in play (contract, prior value to the team, etc.). I opined on the topic in this story, and I'm sure this will result in some calling me a homer, and that's fine. I feel confident that I've done my homework. The bottom line to me is that this offense is changing and the tight ends are doing some of the things Welker used to do, Edelman has closed the gap a bit, and that's going to scale back Welker's role from what we've seen in the past. Will it be the right decision in the end? We'll see, and we will opine when more results are there to analyze.

Q. Hi Mike, I almost couldn't believe my eyes when I saw Boomer Esiason's opinion of the Welker situation on the blog. It's always nice to get the opinion of a national writer or commentator, but his thoughts reek of someone looking for attention or with no clue how this team operates (or some combination of both). Nobody understands better than Belichick that this game is a business, and that Wes Welker needs to do what is right for Wes Welker. If what's best for Welker isn't what's best for the Patriots, then so be it. The mere suggestion that Belichick would punish a player, the team and himself by benching a player because he wouldn't sign an extension he didn't feel was fair to him is simply absurd. Remember when Logan Mankins held out in 2010, and Belichick welcomed him back with open arms because he made the team better? And the situation in 2007 when I think we all understood Asante Samuel was gone as soon as somebody put some guaranteed money in front of him, but he played every game and made first-team All-Pro? Nobody is better at compartmentalizing contract issues and other off-the-field stuff than Belichick. There is something else going on with Welker here, and it may be a change in attitude or commitment, a sudden deterioration of skills, or something else behind the scenes that we will probably never find out about, but I will sleep soundly tonight with the comfort that Belichick is not doing anything that would hurt the team's chances of winning games to "send a message" to a player. -- Tim (Georgetown, Mass.)


A. Tim, this is no disrespect to the widely respected Boomer Esiason, but I feel the same way. I've given this a lot of thought, and it just doesn't make sense to me. We can point to the Lawyer Milloy release and Seymour trade as Belichick moves that made the team weaker in the short term but arguably aided the franchise from a long-term perspective. But has there ever been a time where Belichick willingly paid a player a top-5 salary at his position and then decided he would limit his role out of spite that a long-term contract couldn't be reached, thus creating a potential distraction? The fact some truly believe this is surprising to me.
Wes Welker's reduced role part of evolving offense - ESPN Boston
 
Re: Cowherd says Brady's claim that the team is keeping guys fresh is pure B.S.

They can do that in TC and preseason of next year.



He's a football player. He risks injury every time he steps foot on the field. As does Brady, Wilfork, Mayo, Jones, etc.



At the expense of a loss against a "weaker" opponent?



The fuss is about the Patriots not fielding the best team that they possibly can, because they decided to put Edelman out there to start the drive, a guy who hasn't shown that he can do HALF of the stuff that Welker can even when Welker has been doubled and he's been facing single coverage, instead of the best slot receiver in the NFL.



No you can't. But, outside of lingering injury which they were trying to keep wraps on until Hernandez went down, benching Welker for Edelman to start the game makes zero sense.

Sound logic and objectivity...soon to be dismissed by the self inflicted blind.
 
I would think that Welker is a popular guy among teammates because he is the consumate professional who does all is asked of him and if Bill is screwing around with his time on the field and using spite to interfere with the quality on offense like replacing his eliteness with an average Edelman,then he is doing an injustice to this team and possibly its locker room unity down the road.

I find it hard to believe a coach this smart and HOF bound is choosing money issues with a top athlete to lower chances of offensive output and success......it makes no sense to me and I really wish we all knew the damned truth.

This crap is only going to get worse if Welker continues to be kept on a leash on the sidelines.

At this point Welker is heading for a 600-700 yard season...he is better than that.

somewhat hilarious part is no one asks this question to BB directly. people ask if he was behind the playbook in training camp or why he had less snaps. No one asks him boldly if he is screwing with welker. Not that BB is going to say anything but still none of these brave mediots who mouth off have gone and asked bb directly ...
 
somewhat hilarious part is no one asks this question to BB directly. people ask if he was behind the playbook in training camp or why he had less snaps. No one asks him boldly if he is screwing with welker. Not that BB is going to say anything but still none of these brave mediots who mouth off have gone and asked bb directly ...

Some get tired of his schtick and say fu(k it,he wont give me an answer anyway.

Sometimes Bill's press conferences are funny,but sometimes you just sit back and say,o.k. Bill knock off the B.S. we need an answer and you are bypassing what we need to hear as loyal fans.

Welker and the playbook is nothing but crap,its not this guys first year here...he came back after that injury and didn't miss a beat of time on the field....he shouldn't now.

If this isn't over money and contract then maybe its something between Mcdaniels and Welker and problems between what Josh wants....who really knows?
 
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Some get tired of his schtick and say fu(k it,he wont give me an answer anyway.

Sometimes Bill's press conferences are funny,but sometimes you just sit back and say,o.k. Bill knock off the B.S. we need an answer and you are bypassing what we need to hear as loyal fans.

Yeah .BB plays it the same in all situations unfortunately and never helps to dissolve any situation however contrived by the media it may be. Of course he is telling the players the facts but nothing anywhere else.
 
Re: Cowherd says Brady's claim that the team is keeping guys fresh is pure B.S.

Not one of your "maybes" justifies what the Patriots have done.

Stop arguing semantics, everything about the Welker situation is a maybe or a what-if.

You cant prove a negative, and the burden of proof is not on us to prove or justify the absense of a Welker conspiracy.

Bradys silence in the matter holds no deductive value at all.


EDIT: Its my personal opinion, that what we are witnessing is simply a combination of the Patriots and a new OCs attempts to evolve their game, stay ahead of their opponents game-planning and diversify.
 
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Was listening for a few minutes to Felger ranting and raving..

Does anyone think that BB and his crew would want to lose???
 
Bob Ryan on Kornheiser

Don't know if anyone else caught this, but Ryan claims that Brady has been the worst QB in the league over the last couple of years in passes of 30 yards or more.
He also says that the Brady we are seeing is not the Brady of old and does not belong on the pedestal that he's been elevated to because he has had bad playoff games as well. He also said the Brady of old would have not been so rattled by the Cardinals.
BTW - Welker got thrown under the bus too.
He says that Welker not only dropped the Super Bowl catch ( & win) but also has been missing catches he used to make routinely.
He used this as justification for Welker losing snaps to Edelman.
There may be fragments of truth in some of these things, but I can't remember when we've had such a pourous oline in the Brady era.
Welker may have some drops, but I can't see that he's dropped off in skills based on his lack of appearances in the pre-season and his limited regular season snaps.
Seems to me that they are forcing balls in to Lloyd instead of taking what's available.
The knock that I've always had with McDaniels is that he gets impatient on offense and wants to air it out rather than finding the open man.
That's what Brady has always been so great at doing and I don't care if that guy is 10 yds downfield or 40, let Brady decide who to send the ball to.
The Pats work best as a team that will beat you in whatever you choose to leave less covered.
 
Re: Bob Ryan on Kornheiser

He hasn't been elite or even good, but I wouldn't call him the worst.
 
Let's just put it this way- at the end of the day, there are more than a handful of posters on this board who study the Pats far more closely than Colin Cowherd, Boomer Esiason, and Stephen A. Smith do. The consensus among people who watch how the Patriots handle personnel situations year in and year out is that Belichick is not a petty guy. When Mankins reported weeks after calling out Belichick and Kraft, he played. Why? Because he made the team better. When Asante refused to sign with the Pats long-term, and signed the franchise tag only on the condition that he'd be gone after that season, he started the whole season. When Moss said that everyone knows that the Pats don't pay their players, he didn't see the bench because of it. When Seymour and Wilfork were stuck in their own drawn-out, kind-of-ugly contract stalemates, they didn't stop playing.

There's a whole ton of track record stating conclusively that, under Belichick, the best players play. When you put all of that track records against unfounded, sensationalist speculation, you'd have to be an idiot to conclude that it's the latter at work. End of story. If there is a discipline issue at work here, then it's virtually guaranteed that it's not directly contract-related.
 
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Re: Bob Ryan on Kornheiser

Don't know if anyone else caught this, but Ryan claims that Brady has been the worst QB in the league over the last couple of years in passes of 30 yards or more.
I actually believe this part. Brady seems to never connect on those deep throws anymore even when the receivers are open.
 
Some get tired of his schtick and say fu(k it,he wont give me an answer anyway.

Sometimes Bill's press conferences are funny,but sometimes you just sit back and say,o.k. Bill knock off the B.S. we need an answer and you are bypassing what we need to hear as loyal fans.

Welker and the playbook is nothing but crap,its not this guys first year here...he came back after that injury and didn't miss a beat of time on the field....he shouldn't now.

If this isn't over money and contract then maybe its something between Mcdaniels and Welker and problems between what Josh wants....who really knows?

I wish one of these mediots, who still get paid when they produce content which lacks any real insight and is based almost purely on speculation, would stand up and just keep hammering away at BB on this. Even knowing it to be a futile exercise and that it would do nothing but incur BB's wrath, I'd like to see it done. It happens in other markets.

I'm getting sick of these guys using BB's obtuseness and wrath as an excuse for being lazy. Would BB really freeze a guy like Curran out in the future for asking some really uncomfortable questions and then not backing down right away? Better yet, let the media "hounds" :)rolleyes:) just tee off on McDaniels.

I've mostly loved BB's arrogance towards the media through the years, but at the moment it's wearing thin--probably just because I'm such a big fan of Welker and what he's done for the team since getting here.
 
Re: Bob Ryan on Kornheiser

i would say last year yes..this year he is oh so close to having them drop..it will come around
 
Some get tired of his schtick and say fu(k it,he wont give me an answer anyway.

Sometimes Bill's press conferences are funny,but sometimes you just sit back and say,o.k. Bill knock off the B.S. we need an answer and you are bypassing what we need to hear as loyal fans.

Welker and the playbook is nothing but crap,its not this guys first year here...he came back after that injury and didn't miss a beat of time on the field....he shouldn't now.

If this isn't over money and contract then maybe its something between Mcdaniels and Welker and problems between what Josh wants....who really knows?

Belichick doesn't owe you, or any other fan, anything. What he gives us already--a championship-caliber just about every year--is more than enough.

Besides, on what basis do you say that the playbook issue is crap? Since last season, the Pats have added Brandon Lloyd and a new offensive coordinator. When Welker played in McDaniels' offense in the past, it was with an entirely different group of personnel.

Do you seriously think that the playbook's going to remain largely the same between:

A) a McDaniels offense featuring Moss, Welker, Watson and Maroney
B) an O'Brien offense featuring Gronk, Hernandez, Branch, BJGE, and Welker, and
C) a McDaniels offense featuring Gronk, Hernandez, Lloyd, Ridley, and Welker?

The basic offensive principles won't change, but large chunks of the playbook absolutely will.
 
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