Florio posts up to date cap space for all 32 teams

[ausbacker]

Imagine if the PATS line up Lloyd at WR and he runs a post drawing one of the safeties and Brady hits Gronk with a quick slant in single coverage with a slow footed LB or overmatched safety? Or Welker single covered on a crossing pattern by a LB 2 steps behind him? Or Hernandez running all kinds of single coverage routes off the line, out of the backfield, split wide etc...IMAGINE that....

No complaints from me Joker but the defense needs more impact players. Then again the best defense is offense right?

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Stupid question but did the Pats apply their surplus cap from last year to this season?

I would assume they did since they have never not managed to roll it over, even when it was complicated to. Florio said these figures are league figures and include any rollover as well as adjustments to them for escalators and incentives reached. I think we probably ate up about $3M or so of that via those, as is often the case and why smart teams try to budget to have enough rollover to account for those.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

No complaints from me Joker but the defense needs more impact players. Then again the best defense is offense right?

Impact players don't always have to be players who impact the cap exponentially. We had some once who did, and didn't...

 

[ausbacker]

Impact players don't always have to be players who impact the cap exponentially. We had some once who did, and didn't...

Not debating that it has to be a major signing more someone who is going to perform week in week out in positions of weakness on D.

 

[BradyBranch39]

Denver seems the right place for Manning. They could even commit to bringing in Wayne.

And Garcon. And Addai.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Denver seems the right place for Manning. They could even commit to bringing in Wayne.

Wayne, or Garcon and either Clark or Tamme and even Saturday if only for veteran presence and camp help installing the offense. Even Addai just in case Knowshow doesn't on the heels of his November ACL.

 

[supafly]

They were at 25 mill, Welker took up over 9 mill so now its 16+. I still think they work out a deal with Wes and free up a couple mill more, and like you say, maybe another 5 mill here and there.
How is Arizona or Miami gonna fit Manning in? Denvers in the best shape out of all the rumored suitors.

Yeah, we're on the same page. The rest of my sentence goes on to explain that the franchise tag takes up from the 25 million, and that's how the figure is at 16.2.

Not sure how Miami (IF Manning even wants to play there), or ARZ would do it, but I'm guessing they'd find a way to pull it off with the obvious cuts and restructures that would have to occur. We'll know soon, if any of those are feasible by some of the moves they make, one way or another.

For some reason, I'm still not entirely sold on DEN and the cooler weather, but money talks--so it will be interesting to see what happens.

I'd be happier if he just went to the NFC

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Stupid question but did the Pats apply their surplus cap from last year to this season?

I thought they did; since he says he's taking those into account, then I'm guessing there are a bunch of NLTBE bonuses that were in fact earned.

 

[patfanken]

I always thought that Miami would be the best place for Manning, but Dever's cap space makes it able to not only sign Manning to a Manning type deal, but be able to sign some of his Colt buddies as well. That could make Denver just too attractive to Manning to go to Miami or AZ and watch them have to try to and squeeze him into a cap that might ultimately harm the team..

As for the Pats, several posts, I have seen some very simple ways that the Pats could create anywhere from 15-20 Million in additional; cap space. Of course all those carry consequences down the road, so I don't think we want to over do it like the Jets have, 2014 can't come too soon for those buffoons. They'll have some cap space then, but what they don't realize, it will be a LOT less than everyone else.

BTW- The Pats ARE going to have to do something to create some more space if they are going to be active in the FA market.....at least as active as many of us want them to be. Like MG said, its going to take at least $7MM to pay for the draft and in season reserve. So that would leave us with just $9MM left.

Well my shopping list includes Richard Marshal, Brandon Lloyd, and Adam Carracker, so I think we'll need some more space. And if the reports are true, and guys like Wembley and/or Williams are in our sights, we will have to be Jet-like in our cap manipulation.

 

[Deus Irae]

Some around town will lead you to believe that "THE CAP IS CRAP" ..

The cap has been nothing but an accounting point since teams learned to use it properly. Now, with the new cap that has resulted in flat cap numbers (and once even a decline) instead of $7 million dollar increases, that's changed for the moment. If what's being claimed about 2014 and beyond is true, the cap will be nothing but an accounting point once again, although likely less so than before due to the cash spending requirement in the new CBA. Even now, in this thread, people are here talking about moving Brady's money forward, having Johnson push some money into 2013, freeing up several million if Light retires, etc...

Take a look at the numbers of the cap throughout it's history, and you can see why people had been able to play games with the cap year after year until 2011.

Salary cap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Joker]

so...the cap is nothing but a fraud concept and this new deal is unique in that teams are still figuring out how to manipulate it to their advantage like the "cap" from the old deal.What does this mean for us, the fans?

 

[Wilfork#75]

If Arizona were to sign Manning, would that mean they would have to take the Franchise Tag off of Calais Campbell. I know they can save a lot of money by cutting/re-structuring Kolb and Levi Brown, but $10+ million against the cap for Campbell could really hurt them. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Adrian Wilson and his $6.5million salary and $3million roster bonus cut before the start of the league year. There should be a lot of interesting players become available over the next few days.

 

[fester]

This does not seem to be good news for us.

$16.2 under as of March 12
( 6.2) for rookies, Player 52, Player 53, Practice Squad, injury fund for replacements
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$10M net available for free agents (including Hoyer)

I would presume that no re-structures are included.

But that assumes everyone on the Top-51 makes the team. There probably is some wiggle room in that number before the Patriots would even after think about breaking glass in case of cap emergency and give Brady's agent a call for a restructure if necessary.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Unless I'm seeing things this has to put the Cardinals out of the Manning Sweepstakes. 16.4mil over!

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Unless I'm seeing things this has to put the Cardinals out of the Manning Sweepstakes. 16.4mil over!

Not necessarily. If you adopt the window of opportunity approach Bill wisely chooses not to, the cap is indeed crap in the present. It can be manipulated for a time to do anything you choose provided you have the cash to spend over and above it (bonus money) that will allow you to absorb dead cap and/or the myopic kind of drive that allows you to rationalize that any future consequence will be well worth it and if not you'll just deal with them when the time comes. When it gets really sticky is when you don't win now and you still have to pay the price 2 or 3 or 4 years out. Because then your customers will demand your head on a pike for being so foolish and jeopartizing their competitive enjoyment for the forseeable future for nothing. Which often leads to them getting their wish and the next candidate picking up the mantle and deciding whether or not to bite the bullit you aimed at him or find his own myopic end around it...and on and on.

The cap is crap ninnies sit behind computer screens or radio mikes and encourage boldness for it's own sake because it's not as boring and tedius and predictable as discipline and it's not their ass on the line. The Cardinals can absolutely create $15-20M in cap space to accommodate Manning and a couple of comfort hires. Just at the expense of their defense and an already questionable OL in the present and their cap in the future when Manning will be gone. The question will be can they still compete to win in the present and will they if they do. 'Cause if they don't it will mark the end of the Wisenhut era in the desert. Some of these cap problems probably date back to the effort to retain Warner and push for a championship in his window. Didn't quite pan out, but just getting there might again be enough for that fan base to once again sign off on the consequences. Would never fly here where making it that far is an expectation regardless, and paying any price thereafter is totally unacceptable in hindsight when it's too late to do anything about it.

 

[Rob0729]

This does not seem to be good news for us.

$16.2 under as of March 12
( 6.2) for rookies, Player 52, Player 53, Practice Squad, injury fund for replacements
-------
$10M net available for free agents (including Hoyer)

I would presume that no re-structures are included.

The Pats are fine. They have plenty of ways to restructure contracts and make cuts if they want the cap room. At this point, the only moves they made was to cut two players.

The Pats have the 12th most cap space in the league. If they don't have much room to do anything, then neither does most of the league. It means that 8-9 teams will be the ones making all the moves. I kinda doubt that will happen. The Pats could probably free up $8-10 million fairly easily if they want to.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

If Arizona were to sign Manning, would that mean they would have to take the Franchise Tag off of Calais Campbell. I know they can save a lot of money by cutting/re-structuring Kolb and Levi Brown, but $10+ million against the cap for Campbell could really hurt them. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Adrian Wilson and his $6.5million salary and $3million roster bonus cut before the start of the league year. There should be a lot of interesting players become available over the next few days.

Kolb is actually a wash prior to his option being due later this week. His dead cap wipes out any cap savings but he's off the books. They would have to either take the tag off of Campbell or overcommit to him to get a really initially cap friendly deal done. Same thing with Bown who they can cut and save $14.5M against the cap or restructure and save less. And of course Johnson's cap can be manipulated to free up cap via simple restructure that pushes dead cap into the future. They would likely have to make some additional cuts or restructures. The problem them would be after agreeing to a deal with Manning and probably with a couple of his former teamates, how would they upgrade that OL and shore up the defense aside from via the draft.

Denver is simply in a lot better position at the moment to ramp up for Manning without mortgaging the future (unless you believe the future is Tim Tebow which they obviously do not).

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I always thought that Miami would be the best place for Manning, but Dever's cap space makes it able to not only sign Manning to a Manning type deal, but be able to sign some of his Colt buddies as well. That could make Denver just too attractive to Manning to go to Miami or AZ and watch them have to try to and squeeze him into a cap that might ultimately harm the team..

As for the Pats, several posts, I have seen some very simple ways that the Pats could create anywhere from 15-20 Million in additional; cap space. Of course all those carry consequences down the road, so I don't think we want to over do it like the Jets have, 2014 can't come too soon for those buffoons. They'll have some cap space then, but what they don't realize, it will be a LOT less than everyone else.

BTW- The Pats ARE going to have to do something to create some more space if they are going to be active in the FA market.....at least as active as many of us want them to be. Like MG said, its going to take at least $7MM to pay for the draft and in season reserve. So that would leave us with just $9MM left.

Well my shopping list includes Richard Marshal, Brandon Lloyd, and Adam Carracker, so I think we'll need some more space. And if the reports are true, and guys like Wembley and/or Williams are in our sights, we will have to be Jet-like in our cap manipulation.

There are no simple ways to create $15-20M in cap space. You're like the kid given an inch who assumes a mile. If Light retires they save $3.5M against the cap. But they need another body at backup LT. If Ocho goes they save $3M if they treat him like a June 11 cut (or he actually is). They could push a little money forward on Wilfork and Mankins and Gostkowski and free up another $5M and it wouldn't impact those deals adversely. So that's about $11.5M. But they also have to sign or replace several UFA who played significant time as starters or key rotational players or core ST players before they even get to the point of upgrading via FA.

They could convert Tommy's salary or roster bonus into signing bonus and free up another $4-5M, but his remaining cap hits are in excess of $18M already so that wouldn't necessarily be in his or their best interest. Same deal with Mayo who already has cap hits approaching $10M penciled in on his top 3 money deal. The cap is going up in 2014, but probably not as much as the media loves to speculate at least initially and if you spend it in advance it's not like it went up at all when the time comes. And by then the TE's if both are even still here will be making a lot more.

 

[shmessy]

Only 12 teams ahead of us in the money they have available to spend, certainly not a bad situation to be in at the moment. Kudos to the front office for once again doing things right as it pertains to the salary cap.

....and only one of those other teams in the top 13 had double digit wins last year .....and that team is in the NFC......... and has a mediocre QB whom they will have to use up cap space to resign to his second contract in a few weeks or enter the Peyton Manning sweepstakes for big bucks.

The Pats are simply the best run franchise in sports.

 

[shmessy]

Cincy are in a good position franchise wise and should try to capatalise.

They have a ton of cap, 2 1sts in the draft in the 20's. Have a good draft this year and they could be a real contender for a while.

The most miserly owner in the NFL has $49 million to spend?????

That's like giving Ray Charles a driver's license.