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Not sure why he'd want this.

If he waits one more year with us, continues to progress, and who knows hopefully wins a SB he'll probably have far better opportunities.
 
Why are some of you guys saying if? Isnt this a done deal except for the details?
 
I dont think he goes...its a freakin mess there ......

Actually, it's more of a mess in Ohio. There have been no sanctions against Penn St. The parties involved have all been fired. Another exodus of former coaches will take place when the next head coach takes over. The mess is no longer in the program, it's in the court system.
 
Not sure why he'd want this.

If he waits one more year with us, continues to progress, and who knows hopefully wins a SB he'll probably have far better opportunities.

Where?? This is comparable money to any NFL job, with less stress and better job security. Ask Nick Saban which is a tougher gig, NFL head coach or college head coach.

Plus, the cost of living in state college is far less than in any NFL city. This is a sweet gig.
 
Actually, it's more of a mess in Ohio. There have been no sanctions against Penn St. The parties involved have all been fired. Another exodus of former coaches will take place when the next head coach takes over. The mess is no longer in the program, it's in the court system.

What? Ohio State just got one bowl game. This child rape abuse scandal is 100X worse than what happened at Ohio State.

All Ohio State got was one bad season this year, 2010 season vacated and a 2012 bowl ban. They also upgraded their HC.

Penn St has the NCAA, Big 10, Federal Government, State government and the school investigating. Joe Pa's legacy is forever tarnished. His name was removed from the Big 10 title trophy.
 
I for one am hoping that he get's the PSU job. I know that I'm in the minority, however I don't think BOB is a very good OC and I'd prefer that we make a change.

I feel the same way, I am not a big fan at all, and have not been for a while.
 
What? Ohio State just got one bowl game. This child rape abuse scandal is 100X worse than what happened at Ohio State.

All Ohio State got was one bad season this year, 2010 season vacated and a 2012 bowl ban. They also upgraded their HC.

Penn St has the NCAA, Big 10, Federal Government, State government and the school investigating. Joe Pa's legacy is forever tarnished. His name was removed from the Big 10 title trophy.

Child rape is worse but it's not actionable by the NCAA.

The guy doing the raping was not a coach.

The two guys that are charged with perjury are going to win their cases.

So what is the NCAA going to fine them for? All the people in the athletic program reported the incident up the chain of command to the person in charge of university police.

Paterno was fired not for keeping it a secret but for not doing enough. The NCAA doesn't have anything to bag him on since he followed his institutional responsibilities. It's his moral stature that's in question, not his legal decisions. The NCAA doesn't judge your moral decisions when you've followed protocol.
 
This story has been refuted by Penn State people in the know. I don't know who is the source of this but the Penn State people are adamant that it's not true, and I believe them. I don't think he has the background to take over a job like that. You have a lot of coaches with better credentials.
 
What? Ohio State just got one bowl game. This child rape abuse scandal is 100X worse than what happened at Ohio State.

All Ohio State got was one bad season this year, 2010 season vacated and a 2012 bowl ban. They also upgraded their HC.

Penn St has the NCAA, Big 10, Federal Government, State government and the school investigating. Joe Pa's legacy is forever tarnished. His name was removed from the Big 10 title trophy.

Penn State is going to have to reach deep into its endowment to fund the civil liability that it will face, but I don't see the NCAA getting involved with this. A non-coach raping non-students is well outside of the NCAA's purview.
 
As a Buckeye fan, I hope he takes the job.
As a Patriot fan, even though I prefer Weis, then McD to BoB, I hope he doesn't take the job. That school will be facing a LOIC charge. Could get 2-3 years of being banned from playing bowl games or at least close down.

Not sure why the heck he would want that job.
Agreed....
 
What? Ohio State just got one bowl game. This child rape abuse scandal is 100X worse than what happened at Ohio State.

All Ohio State got was one bad season this year, 2010 season vacated and a 2012 bowl ban. They also upgraded their HC.

Penn St has the NCAA, Big 10, Federal Government, State government and the school investigating. Joe Pa's legacy is forever tarnished. His name was removed from the Big 10 title trophy.


First off, Ohio got more than "just one bowl game." In addition to not being eligible for Bowl games for the 2012 season, they lost several scholarships and are on probation for the next 3 years. So they will be under the microscope, big time. And the Bowl ban could affect players who have verbally committed to Ohio St.

As was pointed out, there will be no sanctions by the NCAA or the Big 10 because all the parties involved have been fired. Any investigation will not involve Penn St. going forward except in name only since Joe Pa said that the buck stopped with him. So, I don't see how you think the situation is worse for Penn St.
 
Child rape is worse but it's not actionable by the NCAA.
The conspiracy within the school president, the AD, and the HC to hide the 2002 incident makes it a NCAA matter b/c it happened in a football program.
Hiding it and covering it up might and will make it a LOIC charge.

The guy doing the raping was not a coach.

He was a former coach with the program. He was still getting paid (pension).
He was allowed access to the program, the weight rooms etc-Also the shower room where the rape occurred.

The two guys that are charged with perjury are going to win their cases.
Maybe but the NCAA requires less. They do what they want. As evident w. the Ohio State case where, previously, a program slapped with a failure to monitor charge, never got a bowl ban. Ohio State did. UConn got the same charge last year, no post season ban.

So what is the NCAA going to fine them for? All the people in the athletic program reported the incident up the chain of command to the person in charge of university police.

Different things.
Failure to Monitor.
Lack of institutional control.


Paterno was fired not for keeping it a secret but for not doing enough.
Who cares what he got fired for?
He like Jim Tressel, hid the truth to protect his legacy and the program.
The board of trustees for years wanted to force Joe Pa to retire. Joe PA did not want to. When the case hit the fan, he chose to subvert the Board by retiring at the end of the season. The board chose to fire him the same day.

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he NCAA doesn't have anything to bag him on since he followed his institutional responsibilities. It's his moral stature that's in question, not his legal decisions. The NCAA doesn't judge your moral decisions when you've followed protocol.
NCAA won't do anything to Joe Pa. They will however will be placing some sort of sanctions, whether if it's probation, sanctions or banning the football program for 1-2 years.
 
First off, Ohio got more than "just one bowl game." In addition to not being eligible for Bowl games for the 2012 season, they lost several scholarships and are on probation for the next 3 years. So they will be under the microscope, big time. And the Bowl ban could affect players who have verbally committed to Ohio St.

As was pointed out, there will be no sanctions by the NCAA or the Big 10 because all the parties involved have been fired. Any investigation will not involve Penn St. going forward except in name only since Joe Pa said that the buck stopped with him. So, I don't see how you think the situation is worse for Penn St.

Bowl ban did jack squat to recruiting. Meyer got one 5 start recruit to switch his commitment, and got 2 other 5 star players.
He also got few 4 star players including one who committed to Penn State. All these players reaffirmed their commitment to Meyer after the NCAA ruling.
The scholarship reductions doesn't really hurt Ohio State. It's 9 scholarships over 3 years. Each school is given 25 per year. Take one scholarship out b/c the 3rd string backup QB just transferred to Hawaii bc he wanted some playing time.

Not sure how Child rape is viewed less than tat gate. This child rape didn't just start in 2002. Sandusky was with the program since the 60's. Few of the victims (not the Original 8) from the 60's, 70s and 80s have come out. Sadly, the statue of limitations have expired, I believe.

NCAA and the Big 10 hasn't said they will be leaving Penn State alone. Just b/c you fire the HC doesn't mean the program escapes any sort of punishment.
 
NCAA won't do anything to Joe Pa. They will however will be placing some sort of sanctions, whether if it's probation, sanctions or banning the football program for 1-2 years.

The NCAA has no jurisdiction to place sanctions for that since none of their rules were violated. Not sure how you think that is the case.
 
The conspiracy within the school president, the AD, and the HC to hide the 2002 incident makes it a NCAA matter b/c it happened in a football program.
Hiding it and covering it up might and will make it a LOIC charge.

School president was not charged. He testified he wasn't informed about the seriousness of the eyewitness report. There was no testimony offered to the contrary. Therefore he wasn't charged. In fact, the preliminary testimony of the trial shows that the stories of both the head of campus police AND the AD were more than backed up by witnesses (including McQueary's family doctor) who testified that he did not express to them the seriousness of the charge. Based on preliminary testimony in the case, a lot of objective lawyers have opined that it's a virtual certainty that the PSU administrators will not be found guilty of perjury. Therefore, there is no cover-up. What happened was a matter of negligence similar to Syracuse.

I'll say it again: unless they are convicted of perjury, there's nothing for the NCAA to decide on, since everyone followed protocol.

I'll add one more to this: after grand jury testimony, the two PSU administrators were charged BECAUSE the governor and former AG were political opponents of the PSU President, and they were trying to pressure the two administrators into testifying against the PSU President, whom they hoped to charge.

He was a former coach with the program. He was still getting paid (pension).
He was allowed access to the program, the weight rooms etc-Also the shower room where the rape occurred.

And? He wasn't paid by the program. He was paid by the school. This isn't even the first emeritus professor at PSU who was caught doing this. Another guy did it in the 80s (non-sports). But Sandusky, as an emeritus professor, had access like all such people. You get a pension after working at a place for 40 years. There's nothing strange about this.


Maybe but the NCAA requires less. They do what they want. As evident w. the Ohio State case where, previously, a program slapped with a failure to monitor charge, never got a bowl ban. Ohio State did. UConn got the same charge last year, no post season ban.

UConn was NOT bagged for lack of institutional control. In fact, UConn only received minor penalties. They were indeed charged with non-institutional control but defended themselves successfully against it. In fact, the guy who was charged with lying (Patrick Sellers) was later determined to have truthfully testified after the investigation.

Who cares what he got fired for?
He like Jim Tressel, hid the truth to protect his legacy and the program.
The board of trustees for years wanted to force Joe Pa to retire. Joe PA did not want to. When the case hit the fan, he chose to subvert the Board by retiring at the end of the season. The board chose to fire him the same day.

He was protecting his program from what? It's not like anyone cared about the Sandusky story. Sandusky was caught doing this in 2008 and it was reported in all the PA newspapers, and no one cared nationally. Then the story of what he did at PSU was reported in 2010, and reported in all the papers, and no one cared nationally. So, explain to me why this would have hurt the program? It seems that people only really care about Paterno's reaction to the program. They hardly care about Sandusky. The Sandiusky story goes on everyday without notice all over the country. The big story was Paterno not reporting it to police and instead reporting it to his superiors. Tressel on the other hand LIED directly to the NCAA.

NCAA won't do anything to Joe Pa. They will however will be placing some sort of sanctions, whether if it's probation, sanctions or banning the football program for 1-2 years.

I guarantee you they won't.
 
The NCAA has no jurisdiction to place sanctions for that since none of their rules were violated. Not sure how you think that is the case.

Like I said, the NCAA is unpredictable. Just a year before, UCONN got slapped with FTM charge. For a charge like that, a school never got a post season ban previously. Ohio State got FTM charge and got a bowl game ban.
 
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They say Mangini is a candidate for the head coaching position too.

To me he makes the most sense.

The whole reason Penn State is in this mess is because they didn't have coaches willing to blow the whistle on each other.

Everyone knows that Mangini has no such qualms.
 
Like I said, the NCAA is unpredictable. Just a year before, UCONN got slapped with LTM charge. For a charge like that, a school never got a post season ban previously. Ohio State got LOM charge and got a bowl game ban.

This never happened. You need to get your facts straight. UConn did not get any major charges or penalties. They were all minor. The major stuff was thrown out as unfounded during the investigation.
 
They say Mangini is a candidate for the head coaching position too.

To me he makes the most sense.

The whole reason Penn State is in this mess is because they didn't have coaches willing to blow the whistle on each other.

Everyone knows that Mangini has no such qualms.

Good one, I know you're joking.

But obviously the raper was not a coach at the time.
 
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