Calvin Pace calls out Refs for loss

[upstater1]

I thought we got away with one PI call. I think it was Hernandez over the middle.

But I don't see how the Jets or their fans can possibly whine about the two challenges. Plex's foot was definitely over the line. It wasn't even close. The second I saw the reply I immediated relaxed. Same with the Branch fumble. As soon as they showed the reply I was like, "oh, ha no big deal."

I guess they need some excuse.

The PI call was the exact call made on the Patriots against the Bills when the ball was intercepted in the end zone. Our guy impeded the offensive player's path to the ball. It's PI. It will be called everytime. The Jets defender was moving sideways as Hernandez attempted to run past him. Same exact call that went against the Patriots when they played the Bills.

 

[Rob0729]

FWIIW, Mike Periera of FoxSports and former head of officiating says it was the correct call to reverse the call:

"@Tbaksays>>His knee was down when he was first touched. He had possession. He is down immediately. Correct reversal.

http://twitter.com/#!/MikePereira/status/123222553643843584

 

[BSR]

You guys need to stop criticizing pace. If we were on the other side of that call, pats fans would be saying the same thing like the jets are. Pats fans are still complaining about the pass interference from the AFC game against the colts. The call yesterday was a close call that may have called differently by another officiating crew.

The difference of course that he isn't a fan, he is a player. Fans say plenty of stupid things. He is the one on the field and should realize that these things go both ways. For every call that you get there are probably five that you got away with. Officials don't catch everything and sometimes they get it right. That's part of the game and Pace should know better than to whine about it.

 

[folamzz]

Fans are not players. Fans do not win or lose games. An observer whining about refs is crying because he wanted his team to win. A PLAYER whining about refs is abdicating accountability.

Also, SOME fans whining about refs does not mean all do.
How is it right to say that since some Patsfans whine about refs then all Patsfans are not allowed to criticize whining by the refs?

Finally, you are out of your mind if you think any crew would have not called that no fumble on review.

You don't think a another officiating would have called it differently? Remember the call on the field was a fumble. They could have just said there wasn't enough evidence to overturn the ruling on the field.
Pats players don't complain about refs because of the coach, not because they don't want to.

 

[upstater1]

You guys need to stop criticizing pace. If we were on the other side of that call, pats fans would be saying the same thing like the jets are. Pats fans are still complaining about the pass interference from the AFC game against the colts. The call yesterday was a close call that may have called differently by another officiating crew.

So, because Patriots fans complain about a call from 5 years ago, they have no right to complain about calls, no matter that one was a bad call and the other one was correct.

In a world like you imagine, there would be no point of having a message board at all.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Ladies and Gentleman, this is Rex Ryan for you. Everyone on their team takes after their loudmouth coach. He doesn't have a censor, so no one on their team has a censor.

Rex has a censor, I think. The real problem is that, well, he enjoys having a foot in his mouth. :bricks:

 

[The Scrizz]

You don't think a another officiating would have called it differently? Remember the call on the field was a fumble. They could have just said there wasn't enough evidence to overturn the ruling on the field.
Pats players don't complain about refs because of the coach, not because they don't want to.

Short of being on the take or colossally ignorant of the rules, there is no ref that could review that play and agree it was a fumble. None.

It is not one of those gray area plays that fans ***** about that their team is getting screwed.

 

[Pujo]

Both reversals were 100% correct. There were a few close PI/illegal contact calls, but there always are (at least if you attempt to throw the ball deep). The Jets have no one to blame but themselves for this loss.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

The Definitive Deion Branch Play Reversal Thread

Sorry if this is a repost, but I see this topic coming up in many threads, so here is the definitive answer on why this was the correct call.

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=deio...d=1t:429,r:0,s:0&tx=56&ty=73&biw=1920&bih=961

If this picture is not evidence enough that the correct call was made, perhaps an understanding of the rules would help.

First of all, you can't be "in-between" having possession of the football. You can either have possession of the football, or you do not have possession of the football. There is not gray area where a player "sort-of" has possession or "is about to lose possession."

So the question becomes, did Deion Branch have possession of the football at the very milisecond that he was hit (since his knee was down)? The answer is an obvious yes. Why? Because there is no evidence that Branch had lost possession of the football before being touched.

In Branch's case, while in the process of switching hands, the ball was jarred away? Why? The ref drew the correct conclusion is this was caused by the impact of being hit by the defender. He is down by contact the very instant he is touched, not one second after, not a half second after, but that very instant. If the fumble was caused by any impact by the defender, then the receiver is down.

That explanation probably is not even necessary considering this photo.

 

[Clonamery]

You don't think a another officiating would have called it differently? Remember the call on the field was a fumble. They could have just said there wasn't enough evidence to overturn the ruling on the field.
Pats players don't complain about refs because of the coach, not because they don't want to.

Can't argue with that logic. Just keep changing the argument.

 

[Pujo]

Short of being on the take or colossally ignorant of the rules, there is no ref that could review that play and agree it was a fumble. None.

I agree, unless there's a rule that specifically says that a player loses possession for the fraction of a second that he's passing the ball from one hand to another. Even then it would be questionable (they would have had to determine that he made the catch, made a football move, and then lost possession by changing hands), but I've seen no such rule.

 

[folamzz]

I understand why a jet player or fan would be upset with that call. Branch was trying to get up and run into the end zone when he fumble the ball. If he didn't fumble and was able to get into the end zone , its all good. But he fumbles, now he's suddenly down by contact. That play shows the unfairness in the rules when talking about offense against defense. So, I'm not surprised that a defensive player is upset with that call. I bet if u ask the pats defensive players in private, they would side with pace.

 

[Pujo]

I understand why a jet player or fan would be upset with that call. Branch was trying to get up and run into the end zone when he fumble the ball. If he didn't fumble and was able to get into the end zone , its all good. But he fumbles, now he's suddenly down by contact. That play shows the unfairness in the rules when talking about offense against defense. So, I'm not surprised that a defensive player is upset with that call. I bet if u ask the pats defensive players in private, they would side with pace.

I gotcha, you're saying that it's understandable that the Jets would be irrational about a call that went against them. No argument there, but they'd still be wrong according to the rules that exist today. Fair, unfair, whatever, those are still the rules and they're known to everyone who's playing.

 

[shmessy]

I understand why a jet player or fan would be upset with that call. Branch was trying to get up and run into the end zone when he fumble the ball. If he didn't fumble and was able to get into the end zone , its all good.

No it's not.

What planet do you live on?????

If he was able to get in the endzone, Ryan would have throw his red flag and the TD would have been reversed - - He was down at the 2 yard line when he had his knee on the ground and Pace in contact with him.

Look, I understand the Yankees season just ended a couple of days ago, but perhaps you should learn something about the rules of football before pontificating on a website.

 

[Dessalines]

Calvin Pace should know that no other players in the NFL are going to accept his excuses and other than YETS fans and not all of them, no one else is going to accpet them either so he should just shut up.

 

[Betterthanmost]

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[folamzz]

No it's not.

What planet do you live on?????

If he was able to get in the endzone, Ryan would have throw his red flag and the TD would have been reversed - - He was down at the 2 yard line when he had his knee on the ground and Pace in contact with him.

Look, I understand the Yankees season just ended a couple of days ago, but perhaps you should learn something about the rules of football before pontificating on a website.

I'm actually a pats fan. You would be complaining if that was the pats on the other side of that call. The call benefited the patriots, so its easy for you to react the way u are.
So u're saying if a TD was taken away from branch in that situation because of a down by contact call, u wouldn't complain?
BTW, why are u bashing the yankees given the way the redsox season ended?

 

[Pujo]

So u're saying if a TD was taken away from branch in that situation because of a down by contact call, u wouldn't complain?

I know I wouldn't have complained, because he was clearly down by contact. I'm always here arguing with people who think the refs are against the Pats. Now a lot of players and fans are irrational sometimes about these things, but that doesn't make them right.

 

[Deus Irae]

You don't think a another officiating would have called it differently? Remember the call on the field was a fumble. They could have just said there wasn't enough evidence to overturn the ruling on the field.
Pats players don't complain about refs because of the coach, not because they don't want to.

No, because replay showed that it was clearly not a fumble.

 

[BradyFTW!]

While he's on the subject of PI, will Pace by any chance mention the PI that was clearly committed on Welker in the end zone that cost us four points in the second half?

That was about as obvious as PI gets, and definitely shouldn't have been missed, but if the Pats had lost I can absolutely guarantee that none of them would have been complaining about it, because the Pats aren't the kind of team that blames the refs for their losses. It's called accountability, and the Jets obviously lack it. Just like the Ravens' defenses always did under Rex.