Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB (from 1/31/2010)

[shmessy]

Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

Minor nit. 2001 Pats were 0-2 when Brady took over starting the next week in a big W against the Colts. David Patten day.

Patten day was a few weeks later than your reference - - it was in the dome in Indy. Game three that year was in Foxboro and featured the Bryan Cox hit that legend has it turned the season around.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

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Patten day was a few weeks later than your reference - - it was in the dome in Indy. Game three that year was in Foxboro and featured the Bryan Cox hit that legend has it turned the season around.

Uh, no. Read my post; it's correct.

I was AT game 2 where Bledsoe got hammered and we lost to the Jets, going 0-2 after an opening day loss to a lousy Bengals team.

You folks are confused, possibly because something called 9/11 intervened.

 

[Uncle Rico]

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Pro Football Reference and Wikipedia both seem to think the big David Patten Day was Week 6; Wikipedia has the Cox hit on Week 3.

2001 New England Patriots Statistics & Players - Pro-Football-Reference.com

2001 New England Patriots season - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Patspsycho]

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Bob Cryin sinks to a new low.

Peyton’s place: At the top - The Boston Globe

Going to bring this thread up again after we see how far the Patriots are going to go in the postseason.

I nominate this quote: "Forgive them, Lord. They know not what they do." as the most condescending, asinine, moronic diarrhea ever vomited out by someone who thinks himself a "sportswriter."

 

[patsfan13]

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Funny that Ryan doesn't get the differnece between Brady and Manning, After all he was a basketball writer during the era of Russell and Chamberland. I doubt he would have maintained Chamberland was better than Russell.

 

[italia44]

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Funny that Ryan doesn't get the differnece between Brady and Manning, After all he was a basketball writer during the era of Russell and Chamberland. I doubt he would have maintained Chamberland was better than Russell.

Neville Chamberland couldn't hold Bertram Russell's jockstrap:wha:

 

[patsfan13]

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Neville Chamberland couldn't hold Bertram Russell's jockstrap:wha:

Guess I hosed poor Wilt's name.... :bricks::singing:

 

[VJCPatriot]

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Bob Cryin sinks to a new low.

Peyton’s place: At the top - The Boston Globe

His response to those who think Manning is not great because he only has one ring.

Why did you post this rubbish? Peyton Manning would have been absolutely killed and ripped apart by old school defenses. The guy doesn't understand how physical and nasty football was before it got modernized. There was a reason that TDs were at a premium, the rules allowed the defenses back then to terrorize and hit the offense as hard as they wanted to. What a douchebag and an idiot. Apparently he conveniently forgot that the Rams 'greatest show on turf' got derailed by a huge hit and an INT by the Pats defense

Defense > Offense. The comparisons he makes are ludicrous and ill-informed and based on the 'assumption' that the old school teams would be handicapped by modern rules. Play by the rules they had back then and the modern offensive teams would feel like they were in a prison gang rape scene in Oz.

Oh and his timing for this Manning ballwashing is completely off. The guy is having one of his worst seasons of his career and isn't even remotely in the MVP discussion. Seriously I don't see how idiots like this have a job. I could write better stuff on a laptop while I was using the toilet. Maybe that's where he was because that's the only other explanation for this pile of mediocre, ill-thought, and ill-written 'journalism'.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

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Why did you post this rubbish? Peyton Manning would have been absolutely killed and ripped apart by old school defenses. The guy doesn't understand how physical and nasty football was before it got modernized. There was a reason that TDs were at a premium, the rules allowed the defenses back then to terrorize and hit the offense as hard as they wanted to. What a douchebag and an idiot. Apparently he conveniently forgot that the Rams 'greatest show on turf' got derailed by a huge hit and an INT by the Pats defense

Defense > Offense. The comparisons he makes are ludicrous and ill-informed and based on the 'assumption' that the old school teams would be handicapped by modern rules. Play by the rules they had back then and the modern offensive teams would feel like they were in a prison gang rape scene in Oz.

Oh and his timing for this Manning ballwashing is completely off. The guy is having one of his worst seasons of his career and isn't even remotely in the MVP discussion. Seriously I don't see how idiots like this have a job. I could write better stuff on a laptop while I was using the toilet. Maybe that's where he was because that's the only other explanation for this pile of mediocre, ill-thought, and ill-written 'journalism'.

This was written in January 2010, before his crowning Pick-Six.

 

[VJCPatriot]

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This was written in January 2010, before his crowning Pick-Six.

Ahahaha. And I bet he never updated to reflect on the fact that Peyton Manning showed himself to be one of the game's greatest 'chokers' on the biggest stage in the world. ^_^ I swear that Saints win and the way they did it was just so sweet. Since the Pats weren't in it I was rooting for Saints all the way. Peyton Manning ballwashing had risen to a ridiculous level by then and would have escalated to unabashedly disgusting levels if the Colts had won.

PM was finally EXPOSED on national TV for what we all know him to be, a guy who can look completely mortal and choke when pressure is brought in big game situations. That was also an excellent example of preparation by the Saints coaching staff. The DB read the route because he had seen it on film and timed the jump perfectly for a sweet pick SIX to seal the deal. PM is a very good QB, but I just don't understand the media's infatuation with him. Kurt Warner in his prime was arguably as good or better and he never got the same amount of media attention.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

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Then he spouts nonsense. My favorite point he made was when a caller said that Woodson should have been flagged for roughing the passer on the tuck play, Ryan replies:

Well roughing the qb is a new rule and wouldn't have been called back then.

Somebody should give him Ray Hamilton's phone number, Ryan needs a history lesson..

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

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What's funny is that, he just like 99% of the ball-washing media, is already making excuses for Manning in case he doesn't win the game. What a complete joke and farce is the Manning experience. You look at the microscope for other guys- Brady can only be compared with Montana IF he wins a 4th Super Bowl; Kobe can only be in the same conversation as Jordan IF he wins a 6th (and probably 7th) championship; Tiger can only be the greatest ever IF he wins 20 majors; Nadal can only surpass Federer IF he wins at least 16 Grand Slams.

Manning? Ryan makes it clear that he can retire with 1 and be considered the greatest! And that was a run that involved the worst overall passer rating in the playoffs/SB of any QB of all-time, a pathetic Super Bowl that featured a single TD in blown coverage, and a 9-9 career playoff record.

Even Colts fans are beginning to realize how empty they sound with their "Manning is the best" arguments. This may sound crazy, but after paying close attention this year, I'd rank Manning tied for third, behind Brady and Roethlisberger and tied with Brees. Roethlisberger can take a lot of punishment and has really cut down on his mistakes. Brees' number have been just as good as PM for years now despite less talent around him, plus he outplayed Manning in the big game. I'm sick of the sizzle without the steak; Manning has had a huge window of opportunity since 2005 and won only once in an underwhelming performance.

 

[JMarr]

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Ahahaha.
PM was finally EXPOSED on national TV for what we all know him to be, a guy who can look completely mortal and choke when pressure is brought in big game situations. That was also an excellent example of preparation by the Saints coaching staff. The DB read the route because he had seen it on film and timed the jump perfectly for a sweet pick SIX to seal the deal. PM is a very good QB, but I just don't understand the media's infatuation with him. Kurt Warner in his prime was arguably as good or better and he never got the same amount of media attention.

If you've watched Indy games with any regularity, you'd understand why. The guy is surgical and can drive the length of the field in less clock time than any QB in NFL history. Manning IS the Indianapolis Colts and has been for a decade. That franchise will be 100 times worse without him than the NEP will be when Brady hangs em up.

It's truly fun to see Manning choke, and even funnier to see the Manning face afterward. But I don't begrudge anyone who is that talented, puts in that much preparation, wants to win so much and somehow isn't much of a primadonna. So what if he likes doing commercials?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

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If you've watched Indy games with any regularity, you'd understand why. The guy is surgical and can drive the length of the field in less clock time than any QB in NFL history. Manning IS the Indianapolis Colts and has been for a decade. That franchise will be 100 times worse without him than the NEP will be when Brady hangs em up.

It's truly fun to see Manning choke, and even funnier to see the Manning face afterward. But I don't begrudge anyone who is that talented, puts in that much preparation, wants to win so much and somehow isn't much of a primadonna. So what if he likes doing commercials?

Here we go again, as usual. As a fan of the game, I have no problem with anyone saying that Manning is elite and a great quarterback. For whatever reason, that always transitions into "no one else can do what he does." This is a huge farce. Manning is very good, but he didn't invent the two-minute drill, nor is he head and shoulders above the rest of the NFL. Again, to act like Brady, Brees, Rivers, or Roethlisberger aren't just as dangerous, or on Manning's level, is another example of the strong bias. All of these elite quarterbacks are particularly tough in the final two minutes of the half/game. People are seduced by Manning's theatrical signal changes, while really all he is doing is calling out a play, no different than any other veteran. When the Colts score, it's like Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, and any other of their star players are just programmed robots running perfectly orchestrated routes from Manning; when other teams do it, it's a complete team effort.

 

[lurker1965]

Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

Bob Cryin sinks to a new low.

Peyton’s place: At the top - The Boston Globe

His response to those who think Manning is not great because he only has one ring.

Sad me. I know my favorite QB is a sad shadow of Peyton Manning for Bob Ryan hath told me so. Al I have to console me are Lombardi trophies.

 

[jaychamp]

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It's probably been said already, but Ryan is far from the only one giving the nod to Manning after last year. The media as a whole have been going back forth each year for a while now, it's nothing new and won't change until their careers are over.

 

[JMarr]

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Here we go again, as usual. As a fan of the game, I have no problem with anyone saying that Manning is elite and a great quarterback. For whatever reason, that always transitions into "no one else can do what he does." This is a huge farce. Manning is very good, but he didn't invent the two-minute drill, nor is he head and shoulders above the rest of the NFL. Again, to act like Brady, Brees, Rivers, or Roethlisberger aren't just as dangerous, or on Manning's level, is another example of the strong bias. All of these elite quarterbacks are particularly tough in the final two minutes of the half/game. People are seduced by Manning's theatrical signal changes, while really all he is doing is calling out a play, no different than any other veteran. When the Colts score, it's like Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, and any other of their star players are just programmed robots running perfectly orchestrated routes from Manning; when other teams do it, it's a complete team effort.

I agree that Manning gets a disproportionate amount of ballwashing, and my point is that a lot of it is based on style points, plus the perception is the the rest of the team, aside from Wayne and Clark [M. Harrison previously], are a bunch of plug-in no names, therefore Manning's importance to the team is highlighted even more. And the Colts have always been a pass first team that is seen as practically revolutionizing the NFL in terms of offense. (Forget the Poilan rules or the fact that it already was done by Coryell/Fouts years ago).

I'm not saying "no one can do what Manning does." Just that nobody does it the way he does, and his style wows fans and the media more than any other QB. To be fair, Brady gets as much media love as Peyton. Rivers, and especially Rothlesberger don't deserve to be in the same discussion.

 

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[RodThePat]

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I agree that Manning gets a disproportionate amount of ballwashing, and my point is that a lot of it is based on style points, plus the perception is the the rest of the team, aside from Wayne and Clark [M. Harrison previously], are a bunch of plug-in no names, therefore Manning's importance to the team is highlighted even more. And the Colts have always been a pass first team that is seen as practically revolutionizing the NFL in terms of offense. (Forget the Poilan rules or the fact that it already was done by Coryell/Fouts years ago).

I'm not saying "no one can do what Manning does." Just that nobody does it the way he does, and his style wows fans and the media more than any other QB. To be fair, Brady gets as much media love as Peyton. Rivers, and especially Rothlesberger don't deserve to be in the same discussion.

Yeah, aside from a HOF WR and a HOF TE he doesn't have much. Austin Collie and Pierre Garçon aren't stiffs either. He's always had at the very least one HOF weapon at his disposal, even counting on as any as three of them on the field at the same time through the majority of his career. This whole "Manning makes stars out of jags" notion is ludicrous.