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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    I disagree with Ryan's main point.

    I respect Ryan on Basketball and Baseball but it's like his football articles are 100% wrong, and what's this Catholic guilt stuff in every article. Lord Forgive Them. Mea Culpa. Jeez, does he whip himself before writing a football article? I think he does. It's that painful to read this stuff.
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    Bob ryan omg, boycott the globe.
    This is the craziest thing ever written.
    How can he have the opinion that a 4 time mvp qb, who could hav gone 16-0 this year, has taken 2 different coaches to the superbowl is the best ever. Even though stats and the fact that he played great late in games this year, and has gotten better as he has matured, if hes not a patriot he cannot be te greatest.

    We pats fans have become a parody, all running here to post non pom pom articles about the patriots, and bash the writer. Sorry to break it to some of you but i said it all year on gameday threads. Brady is getting favreitis. So much success early on had given him false confidence. He needs a coach/ coordinator that can reel him in. Hos knack for throwing late game int's became expected almost.

    I was scared crap when manning had the ball late against us. I dont think brady did that to anyone this year.
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    peyton manning is better than tom brady
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    who cares? the patriots have been better than the colts over the past decade. that's all that matters.
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    And Drew Brees will be better than Peyton Manning next Sunday.
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    I'd say that's doubtful. While I love Brees' game, he has shown big-game jitters from time to time, and the SB is the biggest there is.

    If the Saints win, it will be on the strength of a better defense. I doubt Brees will out-play Manning...
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    my daddy is better than your daddy..!!!!

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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    Brady had the upper hand for the first five years or so, now the last couple Manning has been better.

    All in all, they're both great QB's but would give Brady the edge just because of Super Bowl wins.
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    As it stand Manning has been better but then you have to ask why. First off Manning has played in the same offensive system and has know only ONE OC his entire NFL career. Manning has always had familiar recievers around him which made it a lot easier intergrating new guys into their system

    Brady on the other hand has had (to say politely) crap for WR's. He had a guy who worked in a factory (Patten) and scrubs at other times. The first time he got great WR's he broke records. He's gone through 3 OC's in his time so there are certainly factors in that discussion.

    Right now though Manning would be considered the better QB no doubt.
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    Who has more SB rings? Who has the record for most TDs in a season? And then there is the fact that Manning has always had great WRs to throw the ball to and for most of his career, Brady had to make average WRs better than they actually were. Sorry, Troy. But its true. :p If Manning didn't have people like Harrison and then Wayne to throw the ball to, and if he didn't have arguably the best offensive line in the league protecting him, his stats wouldn't be so great.
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    teams win super bowls

    not qb's


    you have to look at players for what they do and what they are capable of.
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    well..Brady played under rules that were in effect for FORTY YEARS...since the Willie Brown/Jack Tatum/Lester Hayes days...the only thing outlawed was stickum...then AFTER Peytie Pouter LOST time and again to defenses that knocked his receivers off their blocks, Polian, using his clout on the rules committee, changed the passing rules four straight years in a row until they are what they are TODAY....custom made for Peyton's game and designed and pushed through and implemented by Bill Polian.

    Therefore, even though Peyton Manning is NOW the best QB in the NFL, it really doesn't mean anything to anybody who's been a fan for a long period of time....as ANYONE saw...he couldn't play under the rules that truly great QB's like Montana,Young,Aikman,Bradshaw or Brady...in fact, he couldn't even approximate a Trent Dilfer.

    So bang the cow bell, Dolt fan and har-yuck and knee slap your way down to the Hog Heaven Jamboree singing Camptown Races - Doo Dah...finally, your Paid-To-Fix-The-Rules-ning is number 1
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB


    he doesnt have close to the best line in the league protecting him
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    How often does Manning get sacked or even touched? In fact, how often do you even see rushers actually break through the line before the pass is thrown? ;) I also noticed you didn't touch the WR comment. :) You can't argue that Manning had waaaaaaaaay better WRs until Moss and Welker came along.
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    "Rings" isn't the greatest argument, on its own. Bradshaw is better than either, if that's the case (love Terry, but he isn't better than either).

    With the emergence of Collie & Garcon, it also bolsters the argument that any receiver is going to look pretty great with Manning under center.

    It's interesting the Brady's best postseason success came at a time when he didn't have the marquee receivers he has now...
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    I have no problems with the notion that manning is the better QB

    but this issue gets way overblown
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    Manning is and has been better than Brady for the past 5 years....not by a lot but I don't know how you can argue with this.

    Manning almost took this team with 2 no name 3 and 4th receivers this year to what should have been a 18-0 looking at 19-0 season....and not to mention WITH NO RUNNING GAME AT ALL.

    Brady has been steady but Manning has been better and if he gets ring #2 next week,the debate gets even stronger.

    On a Patriots web site you can't expect nothing but 'the writer is nuts' when Manning is proclaimed better,so this thread is biased and a waste of time IMO :rolleyes:
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    fixed. 10 char
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    I actually can and will argue that Manning makes his receivers look much better than they actually are. Heard of Garcon and Collie???

    And go ahead and name just ONE colts receiver or tight end who had any amount of success that was close to what they had on the Colts once they left?
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB


    ...Man, I gotta agree with 'Joker'. Until Polian won his case with the competition committee and had the Pat's secondary handcuffed with the 'Manning Rule' (no mugging receivers after 5 yards), Peyton had all kinds of grief dealing with the Pats. Polian has had an ax to grind for years and done everything he could (and can) to knock down the Pats. His team couldn't do it on the field, so he did it off field. Brady has worked with a collection of misfits and castoffs for receivers (anybody heard from Branch? How about Caldwell? What about Patten once he went to NO?...) almost his entire career, and made them work. Manning has had a luxury existence for a QB. Before we pass judgement on who's better, let's see what Manning does under the same circumstances that Brady's performed under, otherwise - they're both in the same argument and are equal. Nonetheless - if I had my druthers - I'd still pick Brady any time any day.
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    probably last post before Czar Ian ultimately comes and removes me from the discussion

    Just the fact that the majority of Pats fans are now forced to concede that Tom/Peyton are atleast "equal" shows how much the tides have turned in the last few years between the Colts Patriots rivalry..... If Peyton and Tom ever end up with the same amount of rings but Peyton clearly still has superior stats will any of you officially jump over to the other side of the fence?
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    i just touched on the area i felt you were misinformed

    mannings line isnt that good at all. he has had good lines in the past but the past couple years it has been trash

    manning doesnt get sacked because he gets rid of the ball quickly
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    My flag football team could have won with the schedule the colts has for most of the year.
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB


    I think both of them would be good WRs on any team. And if that were the case, explain Gonzalez. He hasn't accomplished much of anything since he's been in the league. And you can't deny Manning has been lucky enough have two of the best WRs in the league for much of his career, Harrison and Wayne. And don't even get me started on Clark. Manning has had a lot of weapons at his disposal, which is why his stats are so great. If he would have been picked by the Raiders in the draft, you would be seeing a different Manning right now. Now, Tom on the other hand, played with WRs like Troy Brown and Jabar Gaffney and STILL managed to get a lot of wins and put up some serious stats. :) I think that is what makes Tom the better QB. He can adapt to situations like that and I honestly think Manning wouldn't be able to handle it.


    Edit: Speaking of adapting to situations, this is what ultimately shows how good Tom really is: The man wasn't a first round draft pick like Manning and no one really expected much from him as he sat on the bench. But when his opportunity came, he showed all of the critics what he could do, much like Warner did. :)
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    Tom Brady has the single greatest season by a qb ever. and more rings, and plays outside, and doesnt have fake PI calls every game.
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    there was no rule change. the rule was already in place. there is no manning rule

    there is a brady rule though
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    while i do believe it is a complete waste of time to even respond to this


    you have to bring up the defensive play of the pats if you want to bring up the weapons manning has had. manning had horrible defenses most of his career

    gonzo has been a good player as well
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    Nope. Tom Brady threw more touchdown passes than any other QB before, thats all. Peyton 2004 had a better passer rating (Highest all time) Peyton 04 had a better completion percentage, better touchdowns per attempt. I would hardly call that the greatest season by a QB ever, especially since he has no ring to show from that season

    and If Peyton wins the SB this year Manning 's 09 season > Brady's 07 season
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    Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

    Interesting that Manning's success has coincided with Polion and his competition committe legislating pass defense out of the game.
    Go back and look at the rules changes over the past 5 or 6 years. Goob has thrived in this era of arena ball...and how appropriate that he's played in an "arena" his entire career. What a man!! ;)
    Sorry but I'll take Marino, Montana, Brady, Elway, Staubach (I'm sure there are others from the 50's and 60s who were great) before Goober. All these guys played outdoors and in an NFL when men were men and were allowed to play pass defense.
    Can't wait to read the spin next Monday after the Saints win the Super Bowl. :D
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