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An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec. 6th


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All great points here but you are forgetting the Pats weakness. Special Teams! With the loss of a reliable kick off the Pats have given the ball to the opposing team on the 30 pretty consistently. The Jets have excellent ST and could take advantage of this.

Giving the Jets marginal offense some help would not be good.

Maybe the Pats should get a kick-off specialist. Don't the Colts use one?
 
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well looks like the Pats have 0 chance against this awesome Jets team, should I even go?
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

First some opinions about differences between week 2 and now:

A) Santonio Holmes as a receiving threat: How will the Patriots deal with him?

B) A 100% Darrelle Revis: Who will he cover and can he be as effective as he has been recently? Revis has held Greg Jennings, Andre Johnson, Calvin "Megatron" Johnson, and Terrell Owens to 61 yards total. Will Tom Brady be afraid to throw in his direction?

C)Calvin Pace as a pass rusher/run stoper: He missed the first 4 games of the season. How will his presence in this game help with the pass rush/run game?

D) O-Line improvement: Jets had a 2nd year player starting in only his second game at RG (Matt Slauson). The Patriots had 3 sacks that game. That has only happened 1 other time this season (Hou). Part of that is Mark Sanchez's ability to escape the rush and still make plays. Will a team that's currently 21's in sacks be able to get constant pressure on the QB? Will they be able to contain Sanchez once/if he escapes the pocket?

Besides said differences between week 2 and now...there are some other things I wanna see:

1) Sumthin's gotta give: Either Tom Brady's 25 straight (regular season) home wins will cease or the Jets current 8 straight (regular season) road winning streak cease. Jets are a better road team than home team anyway, winning 11 of the last 15 games on the road including the playoffs.

2) Danny's impact: Will Danny Woodhead and the Patriot running game have an impact in the game vs the Jets? The stats say 'no' he would not. The Jets are the NFL's 4th best rush defense: The Patriots have faced two teams ranked higher: The Chargers (3rd) and the Steelers (1st). They both held the Patriots rushing attack under 100+ yards.

3) Sumthin's gotta give part two: Tom Brady is on Fire. Noticed how I capitalized the F. 23 TD's/4 INT's/2703 passing yards. But he's only passed for 300 + yards twice...vs the Steelers and the Lions. The Jets are 12th in fewest passing YPG (210.6), allow the 4th worst QB rating (75.8), and is tops in the league in lowest completion percentage allowed by opposing QB's (50.3). They held Tom Brady to his 2nd lowest completion percentage this season (55.6), and his 2nd lowest QBR 72.5. Tom Brady has faced 4 teams this season that has allowed fewer passing yardage per game than the Jets. San Diego, Indy, Miami, Baltimore. In those 4 games vs those upper echelon passing defenses Tom has been sacked 11 of his 15 times this season and has thrown for under 200 yards passing in 3 of those games (SD, Miami, Indy).

4) Tom's two losses: They came vs. teams who run the ball well. Jets are 2nd in the league at rushing yards per game and the Cleveland Browns are 12th. They've faced other teams who run the ball well Minnesota (10th) and the Steelers (9th). The Patriots forced the Steelers to play catch-up after getting a huge lead in the game, therefore forcing them to abandon the run. While the rushing attack was able to get the better of the Minnesota and keep Adrian Peterson off the field. In the two games the Patriots lost they were out gained on the ground by 75 (NYJ) and 136 (Cle). Not only did they keep Tom Brady off the field, they eliminated any running threat and thereby putting more pressure on Tom Brady to be flawless.

5) Multifaceted threat: If you can either take away or match the one or two things that another team can do then you've got a good strategy/game plan. Belichick is a master of both. Problem is the Jets are very good at a lot of things and not GREAT any any one or two things. We all know this will be the best rushing offense the Pats will have faced all season. But what else is there? Well...the Jets avg 40.1 net yards punting (5th in the league) and are tied for the league lead with 26 punts killed inside the 20. They are 2nd in the league in kick return average at 26.9. All this adds up to winning the battle of field position. They are 9th in the league with 37 passing plays of 20+ yards and 6th in the league with 9 passing plays of 40+ yards, both ranking are higher than New England's, despite all the Mark Sanchez naysayers out there. The Jets have only allowed 1 300+ passing game all season (Chad Henne) and that was without Darrelle Revis.

Quite frankly...The Patriots have not faced a team this season who is above average with regards to running the ball & defending the run & defending the pass & explosive pass plays with the punting/kicking to win the field position battle all rolled into one. Not to mention the Jets have the 4th best starting field position in the NFL. This is the best combination of offense, defense and special teams in the NFL. This is why I think the Jets will win by a touchdown next Monday.

I predict Jets 27 - Patriots 20.

People want to Jump on the San Diego Chargers bandwagon...but of their 5 losses 3 of them were to teams under .500. Not me sir. Would rather barely win vs sub .500 teams than lose to them

I will be here all week, respectful, and would appreciate the same in return.

Reponses....comments...rebuttals?

It's nice to have a Jets fan come in here and try to make an intelligent argument and talk football for once.

The one question I would ask you is, between the first game in week 2, and now, how have the Jets improved? I don't watch them as much as you have, obviously so you would have a good feel for how to answer that question.

I, on the other hand, have a good grasp on how the Patriots have improved vastly and plan to detail that in a separate thread. But I would be interested in your opinion. I have asked this question before but it went unanswered, so hopefully you or another Jets fan could answer this.
 
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The one question I would ask you is, between the first game in week 2, and now, how have the Jets improved? I don't watch them as much as you have, obviously so you would have a good feel for how to answer that question.

2 places bear mentioning:

The single biggest improvement, numbers or not, is Santonio Holmes. The Jets now have a gamebreaker opposite Braylon, and he is clearly their #1 option now.


The second place they have improved is at LG. Slauson is much better now than he was. Still not elite but capable. I am not scared for Sanchez life when he drops back like I was in Week 1 and 2.
 
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The key to all games is turnovers (duh) but that is even more so with the Jets and Sanchez. They give the Pats short fields, game over. I don't expect the Jets to turnover the Pats much if at all. So the Jets can't give them freebies.
Agree that turnovers are key. But why do you not expect the Jets to turn the ball over? Is that what you truly expect, or just what you are hoping will happen?

From the "latest five games of 2010" thread, the Jets have turned the ball over nine times; in the last five games the Pats defense has forced eight turnovers. Based on those stats, the expected result should be two turnovers by the Jets, not zero.



Regarding the original post, it just seems as if you have already decided the Jets are going to win, and then tried to find stats and facts to 'prove' your case. An example would be how the Jets are better now because of the addition of Holmes and Pace and improvement of Slauson - but you never once mention either Jets who are not playing as well now, or Pats players that did not play then or are playing better now. Then you imply the Pats cannot tun the ball as evidenced by the game against Pittsburgh; are you kidding me?

You also imply that the low number of 300 yard passing games is a bad thing; I would suggest it may be just the opposite. More often than not a 300 yard passing game is a sign that the team is behind (and lost), and/or unable to run the ball. I can recall a few years ago seeing a stat that when a team throws for 300 yards their total won-loss record was below .500.

Other points I thought of have already been made so there's no need to rehash those. Though I do appreciate the non-trollish conversation, it seems to me if you really wanted to be objective then you would be better off looking at all the stats and facts first, and then coming to a conclusion; rather than making a conclusion first and then looking for information to try and back that up.
 
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Agree that turnovers are key. But why do you not expect the Jets to turn the ball over? Is that what you truly expect, or just what you are hoping will happen?.
ll.

I said I don't expect the Jets to turnover the Patriots, hence I am hoping that the Jets don't turn it over themselves :)
 
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The one question I would ask you is, between the first game in week 2, and now, how have the Jets improved? I don't watch them as much as you have, obviously so you would have a good feel for how to answer that question.

2 places bear mentioning:

The single biggest improvement, numbers or not, is Santonio Holmes. The Jets now have a gamebreaker opposite Braylon, and he is clearly their #1 option now.


The second place they have improved is at LG. Slauson is much better now than he was. Still not elite but capable. I am not scared for Sanchez life when he drops back like I was in Week 1 and 2.

Slauson blows.
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

The one question I would ask you is, between the first game in week 2, and now, how have the Jets improved? I don't watch them as much as you have, obviously so you would have a good feel for how to answer that question.

2 places bear mentioning:

The single biggest improvement, numbers or not, is Santonio Holmes. The Jets now have a gamebreaker opposite Braylon, and he is clearly their #1 option now.


The second place they have improved is at LG. Slauson is much better now than he was. Still not elite but capable. I am not scared for Sanchez life when he drops back like I was in Week 1 and 2.

How about on defense?

Also it seems to me that the Jets running game appears to have slowed down, stats-wise recently. Am I wrong?
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

but not as much as 2 months ago...
What about LT and Green, i don't hear them mentioned much at all its all Sanchez and Holmes.
 
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but not as much as 2 months ago...
Slauson is by far the worst of the starting ten offensive lineman to play Monday night!
 
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Slauson is by far the worst of the starting ten offensive lineman to play Monday night!

How is that so?
 
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How about on defense?

Also it seems to me that the Jets running game appears to have slowed down, stats-wise recently. Am I wrong?

Defense, they have not really improved much outside of Revis being healthy. In week 2 he was clearly a few steps slow even before he got hurt (I was there and remember a couple plays where they missed Moss even before the TD). Now, though I still contend he looked quicker last year, he is back near where he was. They still have the same issues they had last year and early this year (lack of a pass rush without bringing a 5th guy, difficulty covering top slot wr's and TE's). But hey, despite what Rex says this isn't ever gonna be the 85'Bears. They are still a solid defense that can be dominant at times.

As to the running game, yes, it has slowed down a bit. Early in the year they were breaking off alot of 10-20yd runs. Now is is more 2-5yds a pop. LT does look half a step slower as you might expect at his age, which could be one reason for the drop off in big plays there. Shonn Green looked like he was busting out before the Texas fumble, and he did play pretty well last week. The Jets O-Line has been banged up as well. Mangold has a bad shoulder, Slauson has a leg injury, and Woody isn't practicing. So some of it is probably on the line. I also think teams have schemed to stop the run pretty dramatically, and the Jets are still content to run it 30+ times into an 8 man front. Given the focus on their run game, it is still well above average. But it has not been dominant.
 
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Slauson is by far the worst of the starting ten offensive lineman to play Monday night!

Probably the worst, yes.

But the other 4 Jets O-Linemen are pretty good, and the Pats are solid now with Mankins back

So that's not saying much really, someone's gotta be the worst

I am just saying that in week 2 Slauson easily could have blown up the game by himself (he did several times in week 1 vs the Ravens). Right now, I think he holds his own out there and is much less of a liability
 
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but not as much as 2 months ago...

Understood, but you called him capable. He still sucks.

The Jets have issues with their line. He's the worst of them, although he's not the only one struggling. That line is missing Faneca, as a lot of us said it would.
 
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1) Sumthin's gotta give: Either Tom Brady's 25 straight (regular season) home wins will cease or the Jets current 8 straight (regular season) road winning streak cease. Jets are a better road team than home team anyway,winning 11 of the last 15 games on the road including the playoffs.

Well if by some miracle they do win, then we'll get them later in January. Its a win win either way!
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

Since Week 2, the Jets have gotten better on paper. Luckily, it was also on paper that they won the Super Bowl last July.
 
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Understood, but you called him capable. He still sucks.

The Jets have issues with their line. He's the worst of them, although he's not the only one struggling. That line is missing Faneca, as a lot of us said it would.

I am not here to spend 2hrs debating Slauson. I just find it funny that you would say he sucks. You must watch more Jet football than I do.

Since week 4 or 5 Slauson has played fine. In fact, he has had some very good games. He certainly does not suck. Care to back up your point that he currently sucks with examples or numbers?
 
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Let me credit the OP for a decent, well-reasoned, intelligent and non-confrontational post. Worthy of respect.

In rebuttal, let me explain how, by any manner of logic or insight, statistical analysis or just understanding what your eyes tell you based on years of football experience, it is absolutely impossible for the Giants to have won the Super Bowl over the Patriots after the 2007 season.

Or for the Patriots to beat the Rams after the 2001 season.

etc. ad infinitum.

(and this game is NOWHERE near as "unbalanced" as those two were). In fact, it's a pretty even matchup, really.
 
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