Schefter: Public appology broke down Mankins deal

[ivanvamp]

Re: Adam Schefter: Mankins almost resigned two weeks ago, but a public appology ended

If I'm BB here I'm wicked pissed at my owner for not maning up and geting me the best player just over a perceived insult from a redneck. Again, assuming that the report is true.

I don't think it's a "perceived" insult. From (BostonHerald.com - Blogs: Rap Sheet Blog Archive Patriots G Logan Mankins confirms he wants out of New England), here's what Mankins said:

“Right now, this is about principle with me and keeping your word and how you treat people,” he said. ”This is what I thought the foundation of the Patriots was built on. Apparently, I was wrong. Growing up, I was taught a man’s word is his bond. Obviously this isn’t the case with the Patriots.”

So publicly he called out Kraft as a liar. Well, I'm not sure it makes business sense for Kraft to, in turn, demand a public apology (because the cost may be losing Mankins permanently), but clearly if Mankins is going to call him a liar publicly, then he owes Kraft a public apology. That's not unreasonable.

 

[Zeus]

So if someone will apologize in private (for a very public and very pointed insult), but not in public, just how sincere do you think the private apology was in the first place?

If you're going to pay someone millions to do a job, the biggest assessment you have to make is whether or not you can trust them. It's not about being petty, it's making a business judgement as to the likelihood that the player will be worth the enormous amount of money being invested.

 

[bigcountry75]

So if someone will apologize in private (for a very public and very pointed insult), but not in public, just how sincere do you think the private apology was in the first place?

If you're going to pay someone millions to do a job, the biggest assessment you have to make is whether or not you can trust them. It's not about being petty, it's making a business judgement as to the likelihood that the player will be worth the enormous amount of money being invested.

Totally agree...Couldn't have said it better....

 

[PowerRunRevival]

So if someone will apologize in private (for a very public and very pointed insult), but not in public, just how sincere do you think the private apology was in the first place?

If you're going to pay someone millions to do a job, the biggest assessment you have to make is whether or not you can trust them. It's not about being petty, it's making a business judgement as to the likelihood that the player will be worth the enormous amount of money being invested.

I strongly disagree. Trying to get Mankins to apologize publicly is an attempt to make him look stupid. A private apology should be enough there is no reason for him to apologize to Patriots fans because to me he didn't do anything wrong. Player's hold out all the time and with the NFL having a labor structure that allows them to get cut most of the time for nothing they have a right to do so.

If they signed a long term deal it would be a happy ending for both the Pats and Mankins. Asking him to apologize publicly makes it only a win for the Pats. I respect Mankins' principles if he's not going to sign a huge deal because the organization has insulted him.

 

[shmessy]

I strongly disagree. Trying to get Mankins to apologize publicly is an attempt to make him look stupid. A private apology should be enough there is no reason for him to apologize to Patriots fans because to me he didn't do anything wrong. Player's hold out all the time and with the NFL having a labor structure that allows them to get cut most of the time for nothing they have a right to do so.

If they signed a long term deal it would be a happy ending for both the Pats and Mankins. Asking him to apologize publicly makes it only a win for the Pats. I respect Mankins' principles if he's not going to sign a huge deal because the organization has insulted him.

....facepalm......

The public apology was to be to Bob Kraft, not to the fans. He called Bob Kraft a liar in the public media. Honestly, where did you get the idea the apology was to be to the fans?

If he expects the man he publicly called a liar to now give him $40 million then Kraft has every right to tell him to clean up his mess in the same area of the floor he made his mess.

Of course, all this is IF (a big IF) what his agent Bauer is telling Schefter is actually true.

You finish by writing "I respect Mankins' principles if he's not going to sign a huge deal because the organization has insulted him."

Of course, you're now condemning Kraft for doing EXACTLY the same thing you're admiring in Mankins. Funny..

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

So if someone will apologize in private (for a very public and very pointed insult), but not in public, just how sincere do you think the private apology was in the first place?

If you're going to pay someone millions to do a job, the biggest assessment you have to make is whether or not you can trust them. It's not about being petty, it's making a business judgement as to the likelihood that the player will be worth the enormous amount of money being invested.

Football is not a typical business like many of us run. Just look at employee salaries. The entertainment industry is different. Much of the 'talent' are prima donnas. These employees are NOT hired for their professional demeanor but are hired for their unique ($$$) physical attributes that allower owners to sell tix ($$) and TV rights ($$$$).

It is a flawed analogy to evaluate what a doofus like Mankins should say in public given his earlier remarks. Once again assuming the veracity of the report, Kraft needs to be the grownup and do what it takes within financial reason (which may not allow agreement) to provide the protection that his near $100M unique asset at QB requires. It's bad business to have Bob Kraft's pride (if so) kill a deal that's best for the business. BB always says that he does what's best for the team, period. Kraft needs to do the same.

Personally, I don't think it prudent to spend ~$7M or so on the guard position with talent at other positions needing cap bucks.

 

[borg]

Have his agent issue some kind of written apology that makes Kraft happy. He doesn't have to believe the words and he won't be saying them, so he can hang on to the notion that he is right...while cashing those big checks.
That being said, Jonathan Kraft implied that the two sides were still not in agreement over money. So the agent may be stirring the pot to create a little anxiety amongst the fans and management. Cast some blame and see what direction the Patriots want to go now.

 

[TheComeback]

I strongly disagree. Trying to get Mankins to apologize publicly is an attempt to make him look stupid. A private apology should be enough there is no reason for him to apologize to Patriots fans because to me he didn't do anything wrong. Player's hold out all the time and with the NFL having a labor structure that allows them to get cut most of the time for nothing they have a right to do so.

If they signed a long term deal it would be a happy ending for both the Pats and Mankins. Asking him to apologize publicly makes it only a win for the Pats. I respect Mankins' principles if he's not going to sign a huge deal because the organization has insulted him.

No, it's not about trying to make him look stupid at all. What purpose would that serve?

The only person who has made Mankins look stupid is himself. He insulted his employer in public, yet he isn't willing to apologize in public? Yeah, those are some "principles" he's adopted.

Apologizing publicly is the least he could do after being offered such a generous contract. He is not worth Jahri Evans-type money.

 

[NYCPatsFan]

I strongly disagree. Trying to get Mankins to apologize publicly is an attempt to make him look stupid. A private apology should be enough there is no reason for him to apologize to Patriots fans because to me he didn't do anything wrong. Player's hold out all the time and with the NFL having a labor structure that allows them to get cut most of the time for nothing they have a right to do so.

If they signed a long term deal it would be a happy ending for both the Pats and Mankins. Asking him to apologize publicly makes it only a win for the Pats. I respect Mankins' principles if he's not going to sign a huge deal because the organization has insulted him.

Do us a favor and read some of the posts made last night, will you? Maybe then you will realize that no one was asking him to apologize to the fans.

And he didn't do anything wrong? And the organization insulted him? Is this based on what Mr. Mankin's camp informed the press?

 

[upstater1]

Troy Brown gets what many people here do not.

Troy Brown: Kraft cares about Moss comments, Belichick doesn't

If the owner is going to care about how meatheads hurt his image, he should get out of the business entirely.

Law called Belichick a liar, and Belichick tried to sign him back. Why? Troy Brown explains it: he doesn't care!!

This is how it should be. if a guy is giving 100% on the football field and in practice, that's all the owner should be concerned with--unless he has criminal/legal problems.

 

[upstater1]

Football is not a typical business like many of us run. Just look at employee salaries. The entertainment industry is different. Much of the 'talent' are prima donnas. These employees are NOT hired for their professional demeanor but are hired for their unique ($$$) physical attributes that allower owners to sell tix ($$) and TV rights ($$$$).

It is a flawed analogy to evaluate what a doofus like Mankins should say in public given his earlier remarks. Once again assuming the veracity of the report, Kraft needs to be the grownup and do what it takes within financial reason (which may not allow agreement) to provide the protection that his near $100M unique asset at QB requires. It's bad business to have Bob Kraft's pride (if so) kill a deal that's best for the business. BB always says that he does what's best for the team, period. Kraft needs to do the same.

Personally, I don't think it prudent to spend ~$7M or so on the guard position with talent at other positions needing cap bucks.

I agree with your last line 100%.

It's why I'm not incensed by Kraft's thin skin.

 

[captain stone]

If and I say IF a private apology was accepted, to come back 90 mins later and wipe Logan's nose in it like a Puppy you are trying to house train reflects badly.

Even If Logan dissed publicly, a private apology that is accepted should be it.

I agree with my fellow Irishman.

Had Kraft not demanded a public apology and Mankin$ signed his extension, what would've happened on his first day back might've gone something like this:

Q: Logan, are you happy how everything turned out?

A: Yes I am. I feel that this is a contract I have earned, based on my previous 5 years of service, including never having missed a game, playing hard all the time, and gaining the reputation that I have throughout the league. I love playing with Matt, Dan, Steve & SeaBass, and in front of Tom Brady, the best Quarterback in football.

Q: Things got pretty testy during the negotiation process, didn't it?

A: Yes it did. When two sides talk contract, sometimes words are said that maybe would've been better left unsaid. Just before I signed my contract, I spoke directly to Mr. Kraft and apologized to him for my remarks a few months ago. And like the classy man that he is, he accepted.
Now all of my thoughts & actions are focused on being the best player I can be for Mr. Kraft, Coach Belichick, Tom, and my linemates. I can't wait to get back on the field with them.

Does anybody seriously think that a conversation such as this would not have occurred almost immediately after he returned to the clubhouse, and that Mankin$ would not have had to address the press concerning the "liar" remarks? Instead, Kraft now comes off looking like a typically spoiled, over-sensitive Brookliner for demanding that he make his apology public in a formal, scripted release. Mankin$ would have almost assuredly apologized in public, anyway.

A pox on both their houses.

 

[eagle eye]

Screw Mankins, he had a big fat contract just waiting for him and all he had to do was publicly apologize to Bob Kraft.

It was no big thing really.

 

[shmessy]

Troy Brown gets what many people here do not.

Troy Brown: Kraft cares about Moss comments, Belichick doesn't

If the owner is going to care about how meatheads hurt his image, he should get out of the business entirely.

Law called Belichick a liar, and Belichick tried to sign him back. Why? Troy Brown explains it: he doesn't care!!

This is how it should be. if a guy is giving 100% on the football field and in practice, that's all the owner should be concerned with--unless he has criminal/legal problems.

One "slight" factoid you're missing here, Upstater:

The money to pay these guys isn't coming from Belichick's pockets.

Please, the next time a guest at your home, insults you and calls the media to tell the world you are a liar, please, Upstater, invite him back and put out a nicer dinner for him.

 

[Pat the Pats Fan]

probably been said 100 times on this thread, but, both sides know this is a business. I don't buy the requiring a public apology by the Patriots. It just doesn't seem to be their MO.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

One "slight" factoid you're missing here, Upstater:

The money to pay these guys isn't coming from Belichick's pockets.

Please, the next time a guest at your home, insults you and calls the media to tell the world you are a liar, please, Upstater, invite him back and put out a nicer dinner for him.

A Flawed analogy again

It's not guests at home

It's not 'normal' business

It's the entertainment industry. Something uniquely different.

This radically different entertainment industry with unorthodox rules and subsequent business practises is one reason many previously very successfull businesmen fail miserably as team owners. Think about that.

 

[NYCPatsFan]

probably been said 100 times on this thread, but, both sides know this is a business. I don't buy the requiring a public apology by the Patriots. It just doesn't seem to be their MO.

Which is why I wonder if this leak to the press came from Mr. Mankins's group and how accurate it is.

After all, I still can't figure out why should Mr. Mankins apologize in private when he thinks he has been treated shabbily, already declared he wouldn't play any down with us and that money was never the issue. He is after all a man of his words, right?

 

[Modest]

Pride over Payday, eh Mankins?

 

[upstater1]

One "slight" factoid you're missing here, Upstater:

The money to pay these guys isn't coming from Belichick's pockets.

Please, the next time a guest at your home, insults you and calls the media to tell the world you are a liar, please, Upstater, invite him back and put out a nicer dinner for him.

The point is, my next door neighbor doesn't give a damn whether I invite him back or not. The neighborhood just doesn't care!

 

[shmessy]

The point is, my next door neighbor doesn't give a damn whether I invite him back or not. The neighborhood just doesn't care!

So YOU would invite him back? And accede to his public demand (after calling you a liar in public) that you put out a nicer dinner next time???

Hey, to each his own. There are masochists out there and I'm sure they are fine people.