Could BB be thinking 1st Round QB in 2011?

[mayoclinic]

Here are all the WRs that have played for Belichick in reverse chronological order that I can think of in the next 45 seconds.

Galloway
Moss
Welker
C.Jackson
Gaffney
Gabriel
Caldwell
B. Johnson
Branch
Givens
Patten
Brown (not his pick - exclude)
Glenn (not his pick - exclude)

How many were drafted in the first round? 0

How many did Belichick TRADED AWAY to get a 1st round pick: 1

How many were drafted in round 2 and sucked: 2

How many were drafted in round 1 or 2 and were good: 0

How many were low round value picks that developed over many years in the system? 4

How many were free agent CHEAP pickups: 3

How many were free agent semi-expensive (i.e. gave picks) pickups: 2

So what data do you use to think BB will drop 30M on a rookie wide receiver?

I don't expect BB will drop 30M on a rookie, period. Half of the speculation - and this far out that's all it can possibly be, speculation - is that by 2011 there may be a rookie salary scale such as the NBA uses, to deal with the ludicrous current situation where top 10 draft picks are albatrosses around the necks of the teams picking at the top of the draft. Otherwise, if BB does end up with a high pick as a result of the Oakland trade, I would expect him to trade out if possible (which he could easily do, anyway).

If there's a rookie salary scale, then the cost of making a mistake using a high pick on a WR doesn't become as prohibitive as previously. Many on this board have speculated about "what if" we could have gotten a Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, etc. Heck, there's a thread right now about whether we could possibly trade for Michael Crabtree.

BB's used 2nd round picks 3 times on WRs (Branch, Johnson, Jackson), and traded another 2nd round pick for one (Welker). He's traded up to target WRs. He's traded for WRs. No reason to believe he doesn't value the WR position enough to spend a top pick on one if he thought the player was worth it. If having Randy Moss play for the Pats hasn't been enough to convince him of the value of having an "elite" WR for Brady to throw to, then nothing will. He hadn't used a high pick to target a LB before Mayo, but that didn't stop him.

So all I did was post a 1 line post mentioning 2 young guys with elite talent who are coming out in 2011 when we happen to have an extra (possibly high) 1st round pick and around the time when we should be looking at grooming a successor to Moss. The result of which was (1) a smart ass post by you about high school kids for 2016, and (2) a second smart ass post from you to the effect that we would never draft a WR in the first round.

Thanks for educating me.

 

[stinkypete]

Of course Belichick could pick a QB in 2011, if that QB is that rare, once or twice a decade franchise type player. If Belichick is looking at another Elway or Young or Manning at #1, that player is a Patriot.

Of course Belichick could take a WR as well. With Moss older (and possibly gone) by 2011, it's not out of the question...if that player has a Calvin Johnson/Andre Johnson Pedigree.

You can't say "Belichick doesn't draft (insert position here)." We said that about OL before he drafted Mankins, and we said that about LB before he drafted Mayo. Belichick will take the best player available that draft.

While that player is most likely to be a lineman, the reality is we will have no clue for 1 1/2 years. What if the next Adrian Peterson or Demarcus Ware is sitting there. Are fans going to scream "you can't take that player because that's not what Belichick does?"

 

[mayoclinic]

Of course Belichick could pick a QB in 2011, if that QB is that rare, once or twice a decade franchise type player. If Belichick is looking at another Elway or Young or Manning at #1, that player is a Patriot.

Of course Belichick could take a WR as well. With Moss older (and possibly gone) by 2011, it's not out of the question...if that player has a Calvin Johnson/Andre Johnson Pedigree.

You can't say "Belichick doesn't draft (insert position here)." We said that about OL before he drafted Mankins, and we said that about LB before he drafted Mayo. Belichick will take the best player available that draft.

While that player is most likely to be a lineman, the reality is we will have no clue for 1 1/2 years. What if the next Adrian Peterson or Demarcus Ware is sitting there. Are fans going to scream "you can't take that player because that's not what Belichick does?"

We can't accurately predict what Belichick will do the day before the draft, much less 18 months ahead of time.

 

[JoeShmoe]

We can't accurately predict what Belichick will do the day before the draft, much less 18 months ahead of time.

Quite, we all sat here for months talking about the draft and the supposedly great kids in it, and he comes on the TV before it starts and tells May**** its the poorest draft class he's seen and no way on earth he'll be in the first round

He's done a lot of the defense this year so I hope next year we take some youth on the OL and a decent tackle but what do I know!

 

[PittPatriot]

I agree. This kid looks GREAT! He loves to throw the deep ball and his accuracy and touch are amazing. It's always difficult to project college players at the next level but I can't say enough about how good Harris looks. He's a winner too. He was 30-0 in his High School career and he has Miami looking like a legitimate title contender this year as well, which is a year earlier than anyone expected. The Hurricanes are back.

I don't follow the NCAA games as closely, but what you are describing is not too far from the reports on Jamarcus Russel...and I don't want a 1st Round version of Rohan Davey on the Pats.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Belichick will take the best player available that draft.

Actually, he doesn't.

What he takes is the player with the most value to the Patriots over the life of the contract at that point.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Quite, we all sat here for months talking about the draft and the supposedly great kids in it, and he comes on the TV before it starts and tells May**** its the poorest draft class he's seen and no way on earth he'll be in the first round

He's done a lot of the defense this year so I hope next year we take some youth on the OL and a decent tackle but what do I know!

Did he actually say that? I thought he just said he had "less than zero interest" in trading up. . . .

 

[BelichickFan]

I don't follow the NCAA games as closely, but what you are describing is not too far from the reports on Jamarcus Russel...and I don't want a 1st Round version of Rohan Davey on the Pats.

He's nothing at all like Russell. Harris looks intriguing, great touch, accuracy, athleticism and seem like a great kid. I've yet to see him make NFL sideline outs, though, he can throw it deep but I'm not sure if he can drill it into a small window; that said, he's only a sophomore.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

So all I did was post a 1 line post mentioning 2 young guys with elite talent who are coming out in 2011 when we happen to have an extra (possibly high) 1st round pick and around the time when we should be looking at grooming a successor to Moss.

Mayo—personally, I think it's possible if and only if the NFL institutes a rookie pay scale before the draft.

 

[billdog3484]

BB doesn't need a first rnd pick to get a QB hes proven that.
Maybe BB packags it next year to move up and take someone like Cody or Suh

haha, so we are going to hope we get lucky in the 6th or 7th round again

 

[condon84]

The one QB that I've been really impressed with is Jacory Harris from UM.

He's got poise, great pocket presense, and seems to make the right decision in critical downs. Very mature looking pocket passer.

Only thing with him is that his passes don't have quite the zip that Stafford showed last year. Otherwise, this kid looks great.

 

[billdog3484]

It hurts to even think this, but I'll just throw it out there...

Jimmy Clausen

thats who i am thinking as well. kids supposed to be a dynamite player

 

[JoeShmoe]

Did he actually say that? I thought he just said he had "less than zero interest" in trading up. . . .

Dont think he used those words, but he his point was pretty clear. Think he may have said something like talent at the top end of the draft was pretty low

 

[mosslost]

thats who i am thinking as well. kids [Jimmy Clausen] supposed to be a dynamite player

Yeah, he looks very impressive out the gate this year. Great game against Miami, besides the loss. He would have my vote. Plus, I still think a top round pick would be developed under Brady for a while. We have to face the fact that Brady is going to retire someday.

 

[BradyManny]

BB doesn't need a first rnd pick to get a QB hes proven that.
Maybe BB packags it next year to move up and take someone like Cody or Suh

What he said ^^^

Besides, Brady is still one of the best QBs in the league indefinitely.

 

[letekro]

He's thinking he can get an impact player for a good price. The idea that he's targeting a specific player or position is ludicrous.

 

[klinefan]

Yes, they were basing a huge trade off of possibility of a particular sophomore QB (now junior) would be available as a "high pick" in 2011.

Has BB ever even used highly drafted QBs? Other than Testaverde who was pretty mediocre.

 

[letekro]

The one QB that I've been really impressed with is Jacory Harris from UM.

He's got poise, great pocket presense, and seems to make the right decision in critical downs. Very mature looking pocket passer.

Only thing with him is that his passes don't have quite the zip that Stafford showed last year. Otherwise, this kid looks great.

The best thing about Jacory is his temperament. This guy is just a cool customer. He needs to get (much) stronger, but he's got a future. He also has the benefit of being coached by Mark Whipple, who turned UMASS into an offensive powerhouse and then made Big Ben into an elite QB.

 

[ForThoseAboutToRock]

Mark Herzlich


/shameless BC guy

 

[HarkDawg]

No chance TFB leaves the Pats any time soon